Keeping what we have

[catgrad05]

All the coaching rumors and NIL stuff. What does MSU need to do to stay ahead?

I’ve been thinking of this for a couple of weeks leading up to the portal opening and I have come up with an unconventional idea.

Let’s raise money and support pay increase for our coaches. Every season we are afraid of loosing our home grown and up and coming coaches. What happens if we bridge the gap between us and the Mounatin West. Maybe not match but if we go 50-75%, pay more than the average FCS school for football and basketball could we keep our above average coaches? Would players take less in NIL to play in Bozeman?


Just spitballing but would like some feedback

[luckyirishguy25]

Cash. Lots and lots of Cash.

[MSU01]

All the coaching rumors and NIL stuff. What does MSU need to do to stay ahead?

I’ve been thinking of this for a couple of weeks leading up to the portal opening and I have come up with an unconventional idea.

Let’s raise money and support pay increase for our coaches. Every season we are afraid of loosing our home grown and up and coming coaches. What happens if we bridge the gap between us and the Mounatin West. Maybe not match but if we go 50-75%, pay more than the average FCS school for football and basketball could we keep our above average coaches? Would players take less in NIL to play in Bozeman?


Just spitballing but would like some feedback

As I understand it, this is already a pretty big part of what the Quarterback Club already does. I don't think there's much MSU can do to avoid losing talented coaches to FBS programs when they come calling. We will never be the biggest fish and that's ok, and I think we've also seen this year that keeping what you have isn't necessarily always the best path forward.

[4KornerKat]

All the coaching rumors and NIL stuff. What does MSU need to do to stay ahead?

I’ve been thinking of this for a couple of weeks leading up to the portal opening and I have come up with an unconventional idea.

Let’s raise money and support pay increase for our coaches. Every season we are afraid of loosing our home grown and up and coming coaches. What happens if we bridge the gap between us and the Mounatin West. Maybe not match but if we go 50-75%, pay more than the average FCS school for football and basketball could we keep our above average coaches? Would players take less in NIL to play in Bozeman?


Just spitballing but would like some feedback

Join the quarterback club. Annual banquet fundraises specifically for assistant coach bonuses. Your donation would certainly be welcome.

[BobbyHoax]

All the coaching rumors and NIL stuff. What does MSU need to do to stay ahead?

I’ve been thinking of this for a couple of weeks leading up to the portal opening and I have come up with an unconventional idea.

Let’s raise money and support pay increase for our coaches. Every season we are afraid of loosing our home grown and up and coming coaches. What happens if we bridge the gap between us and the Mounatin West. Maybe not match but if we go 50-75%, pay more than the average FCS school for football and basketball could we keep our above average coaches? Would players take less in NIL to play in Bozeman?


Just spitballing but would like some feedback

I think we have to ride the momentum we have and get creative to get the fan base more involved in fundraising and donations to help NIL, coach salaries (if allowed),and obviously a continued facility upgrade path. This goes beyond the season ticket holders. I am not a season ticket holder, I have donated to the Bobcat club, but I know not all 20K fans in these sellouts are donating. Pretty good chunk of change if each person in that stadium only donated $50/yr. Donation to Quarterback Club, BClub, or BCollective should be an option when purchasing single game tickets IMO.

I have a colleague that is a big NDSU fan. He said when the introduction of the NIL happened, their fan base ponied up to pool NIL money to get those players enough to want to stay.

[GoCats18]

Really regretting buying that pizza with all my Bitcoin years ago…..haha!!!

[AFCAT]

All the coaching rumors and NIL stuff. What does MSU need to do to stay ahead?

I’ve been thinking of this for a couple of weeks leading up to the portal opening and I have come up with an unconventional idea.

Let’s raise money and support pay increase for our coaches. Every season we are afraid of loosing our home grown and up and coming coaches. What happens if we bridge the gap between us and the Mounatin West. Maybe not match but if we go 50-75%, pay more than the average FCS school for football and basketball could we keep our above average coaches? Would players take less in NIL to play in Bozeman?


Just spitballing but would like some feedback

Here are some links for you to donate money to help keep the coaches, players, and to build the program.

QB Club https://www.msubqc.org
Bobcat Collective https://linktr.ee/thebobcatcollective

[PHAT CAT]

MSU needs to start building coaches housing. U of Wyoming has it for their coaches. A friend of mine followed Joe Glenn to U of W. Big house for the head coach. Nice free housing for the other coaches. Single coaches shared houses. Married coaches had their own house for them and their family. At least look into it. Rent for assistant coaches is a big problem.

[AFCAT]

MSU needs to start building coaches housing. U of Wyoming has it for their coaches. A friend of mine followed Joe Glenn to U of W. Big house for the head coach. Nice free housing for the other coaches. Single coaches shared houses. Married coaches had their own house for them and their family. At least look into it. Rent for assistant coaches is a big problem.

I suggested this a while back and was blasted for it. My suggestion was more a series of apartment buildings, not individual homes. Anyway, they’d probably have to include something for other employees too or there might be some unrest.

[PHAT CAT]

MSU needs to start building coaches housing. U of Wyoming has it for their coaches. A friend of mine followed Joe Glenn to U of W. Big house for the head coach. Nice free housing for the other coaches. Single coaches shared houses. Married coaches had their own house for them and their family. At least look into it. Rent for assistant coaches is a big problem.

I suggested this a while back and was blasted for it. My suggestion was more a series of apartment buildings, not individual homes. Anyway, they’d probably have to include something for other employees too or there might be some unrest.

Sports coaches only. Unlike Profs. They don't get tenure.

[AFCAT]

MSU needs to start building coaches housing. U of Wyoming has it for their coaches. A friend of mine followed Joe Glenn to U of W. Big house for the head coach. Nice free housing for the other coaches. Single coaches shared houses. Married coaches had their own house for them and their family. At least look into it. Rent for assistant coaches is a big problem.

I suggested this a while back and was blasted for it. My suggestion was more a series of apartment buildings, not individual homes. Anyway, they’d probably have to include something for other employees too or there might be some unrest.

Sports coaches only. Unlike Profs. They don't get tenure.

Not all professors have tenure.

[PHAT CAT]

Wow! Knock me over with a feather. You want to start a fight? I'm in the Christmas mood.

[AFCAT]

Wow! Knock me over with a feather. You want to start a fight? I'm in the Christmas mood.

Start a fight over agreeing with you on building some sort of employee housing? Okay, let’s rumble!

I agree with you!

You win!

[tagleason]

In FCS success breeds departure for a number of reasons. Money being only one. As noted above the BQC is a great way to bonus up the coaches but is also instrumental to the success of the football team. I’m of the opinion that with all the coaching changes in the last several years the next hires have been a step up the ladder. One coach leaves for greener pastures and someone else is gunning to get hired here.

[89Cat]

Does anyone know what Coach Vigen's salary/package is worth? I just read the story on 406 sports about Bobby Hauck's new contract. "Hauck signed a new three-year contract last month that increases his potential earnings from $534,000 to $732,000 annually." That surprised me. Hopefully, Vigen having his boys on the team, building a great program, and the allure of living in Bozeman with a rabid fanbase that makes games exciting, may be enough to entice him to stick around for a few more years. If you want to read the full story on Hauck's contract, it's here: https://406mtsports.com/college/big-sky ... ted-bottom.

[D-Wreck]

Does anyone know what Coach Vigen's salary/package is worth? I just read the story on 406 sports about Bobby Hauck's new contract. "Hauck signed a new three-year contract last month that increases his potential earnings from $534,000 to $732,000 annually." That surprised me. Hopefully, Vigen having his boys on the team, building a great program, and the allure of living in Bozeman with a rabid fanbase that makes games exciting, may be enough to entice him to stick around for a few more years. If you want to read the full story on Hauck's contract, it's here: https://406mtsports.com/college/big-sky ... ted-bottom.

Per Colter's 2/2/24 article on Skyline:
$214.649.87 annual base salary
Escalating retention bonus when Coach is employed on July 1: $35,000 retention bonus in Year 1, $40,000 in year 2, 45,000 in year 3 and $50,000 in year 4.
$40,000 per year for radio media bonus
$40,000 per year for TV media bonus
$30,000 fundraising bonus

There are also many performance (including academic) related bonuses as well as MSU's "best efforts" to obtain a courtesy vehicle. Colter has a good breakdown of some of those bonuses in his article here: https://skylinesportsmt.com/details-of- ... 0annually.

[Camo_Cat]

There are those individuals in our society who are grateful for what they have, and chasing a dollar does not equate to happiness. Yep, it's true. Many people have already commented on what we have at MSU and in Bozeman. Rabid fan support with stadium sellouts every game, every season. A tradition of winning. Support from the school's administration and the AD. A growing, vibrant campus that outranks many in the nation. And yes, even though it's very expensive to live in, there aren't many campus communities that can rival what Bozeman and the Gallatin Valley has to offer.

For those that opt to chase a dollar for a bigger/FBS program, here's the potential that awaits you, using New Mexico as an example since we are familiar with them and the Idaho coach just took their job offer. Does it pay a lot more? You bet. Here's what you get -- in 2023, the Lobos averaged an attendance of 15,982. That's a bad day in Bobcat Stadium. They haven't been to bowl game since 2016 and have only participated in just 13 bowl games in their history. They have had exactly 2 winning seasons in the last 10 years, and 5 winning seasons in the last 20 years. Like most FBS schools, they are competing for attention and recruits against multiple FBS programs, including NM State, Arizona, ASU, UTEP, Texas Tech, Colorado, etc. You don't see the New Mexico media doing wonderful stories on Lobo football. Oh, and by the way, UNM has fired three of their last 4 coaches.

I could use multiple examples that all have the same story (UNLV, Utah State, etc.). These are usually the programs where FCS coaches go to kill their careers, because let's be honest, most of these stories don't have a fairytale ending. So, for a coach looking to leave a great program like Montana State where you are gonna win, where you're gonna pack the stadium, where they're gonna build a statue of you, all I have to say is go make your money but make sure you save it. Because chances are good that you're gonna be standing in the unemployment line in 4-5 years. Rant over.

[cats2506]

There are those individuals in our society who are grateful for what they have, and chasing a dollar does not equate to happiness. Yep, it's true. Many people have already commented on what we have at MSU and in Bozeman. Rabid fan support with stadium sellouts every game, every season. A tradition of winning. Support from the school's administration and the AD. A growing, vibrant campus that outranks many in the nation. And yes, even though it's very expensive to live in, there aren't many campus communities that can rival what Bozeman and the Gallatin Valley has to offer.

For those that opt to chase a dollar for a bigger/FBS program, here's the potential that awaits you, using New Mexico as an example since we are familiar with them and the Idaho coach just took their job offer. Does it pay a lot more? You bet. Here's what you get -- in 2023, the Lobos averaged an attendance of 15,982. That's a bad day in Bobcat Stadium. They haven't been to bowl game since 2016 and have only participated in just 13 bowl games in their history. They have had exactly 2 winning seasons in the last 10 years, and 5 winning seasons in the last 20 years. Like most FBS schools, they are competing for attention and recruits against multiple FBS programs, including NM State, Arizona, ASU, UTEP, Texas Tech, Colorado, etc. You don't see the New Mexico media doing wonderful stories on Lobo football. Oh, and by the way, UNM has fired three of their last 4 coaches.

I could use multiple examples that all have the same story (UNLV, Utah State, etc.). These are usually the programs where FCS coaches go to kill their careers, because let's be honest, most of these stories don't have a fairytale ending. So, for a coach looking to leave a great program like Montana State where you are gonna win, where you're gonna pack the stadium, where they're gonna build a statue of you, all I have to say is go make your money but make sure you save it. Because chances are good that you're gonna be standing in the unemployment line in 4-5 years. Rant over.

Excellent Post

[tetoncat]

There are those individuals in our society who are grateful for what they have, and chasing a dollar does not equate to happiness. Yep, it's true. Many people have already commented on what we have at MSU and in Bozeman. Rabid fan support with stadium sellouts every game, every season. A tradition of winning. Support from the school's administration and the AD. A growing, vibrant campus that outranks many in the nation. And yes, even though it's very expensive to live in, there aren't many campus communities that can rival what Bozeman and the Gallatin Valley has to offer.

For those that opt to chase a dollar for a bigger/FBS program, here's the potential that awaits you, using New Mexico as an example since we are familiar with them and the Idaho coach just took their job offer. Does it pay a lot more? You bet. Here's what you get -- in 2023, the Lobos averaged an attendance of 15,982. That's a bad day in Bobcat Stadium. They haven't been to bowl game since 2016 and have only participated in just 13 bowl games in their history. They have had exactly 2 winning seasons in the last 10 years, and 5 winning seasons in the last 20 years. Like most FBS schools, they are competing for attention and recruits against multiple FBS programs, including NM State, Arizona, ASU, UTEP, Texas Tech, Colorado, etc. You don't see the New Mexico media doing wonderful stories on Lobo football. Oh, and by the way, UNM has fired three of their last 4 coaches.

I could use multiple examples that all have the same story (UNLV, Utah State, etc.). These are usually the programs where FCS coaches go to kill their careers, because let's be honest, most of these stories don't have a fairytale ending. So, for a coach looking to leave a great program like Montana State where you are gonna win, where you're gonna pack the stadium, where they're gonna build a statue of you, all I have to say is go make your money but make sure you save it. Because chances are good that you're gonna be standing in the unemployment line in 4-5 years. Rant over.

I agree in general. But everyone has some ego that says they are the guy that can turn it around. If you make an extra 500,000 to 1 mil a year for 3 years you could get by for a bit. Also likely you can go get a coaching job somewhere, position, coordinator, or drop down and head guy.

[CodyCat]

Does anyone know what Coach Vigen's salary/package is worth? I just read the story on 406 sports about Bobby Hauck's new contract. "Hauck signed a new three-year contract last month that increases his potential earnings from $534,000 to $732,000 annually." That surprised me. Hopefully, Vigen having his boys on the team, building a great program, and the allure of living in Bozeman with a rabid fanbase that makes games exciting, may be enough to entice him to stick around for a few more years. If you want to read the full story on Hauck's contract, it's here: https://406mtsports.com/college/big-sky ... ted-bottom.

Per Colter's 2/2/24 article on Skyline:
$214.649.87 annual base salary
Escalating retention bonus when Coach is employed on July 1: $35,000 retention bonus in Year 1, $40,000 in year 2, 45,000 in year 3 and $50,000 in year 4.
$40,000 per year for radio media bonus
$40,000 per year for TV media bonus
$30,000 fundraising bonus

There are also many performance (including academic) related bonuses as well as MSU's "best efforts" to obtain a courtesy vehicle. Colter has a good breakdown of some of those bonuses in his article here: https://skylinesportsmt.com/details-of- ... 0annually.

So without bonuses, Vigen is making $494,000 this year. I cant view the article where Colter broke down the incentives. So, making it this far, beating the gris, and likely some others, Vigen is probably at $600k this year.