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The Griz are 1-13

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2025 9:03 pm
by catatac
In road playoff games, with the last win vs James Madison in 2008. That's crazy. In Bobby's own words, "Winning is hard. Football is a hard game. If it was easy, they'd call it soccer." Now, let's add to that. So winning is hard. Winning on the road is even harder. Winning on the road in the playoffs is even harder. Winning on the road in the SEMI's in the playoffs is even harder. Winning on the road in the semi's, against your bitter rival, is even harder. Winning on the road in the semis against your rival, when they've already proven to be really good since they beat you in your house a month prior... let's just say they have themselves a bit of a challenge on their hands. Not guaranteeing a win by any means, but damn it's going to be tough for them. This will be the craziest, most disruptive environment they've ever played in. I'll be really interested to see if Ay Yat can handle it.

Re: The Griz are 1-13

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2025 10:13 pm
by OldGriz
catatac wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 9:03 pm
In road playoff games, with the last win vs James Madison in 2008. That's crazy. In Bobby's own words, "Winning is hard. Football is a hard game. If it was easy, they'd call it soccer." Now, let's add to that. So winning is hard. Winning on the road is even harder. Winning on the road in the playoffs is even harder. Winning on the road in the SEMI's in the playoffs is even harder. Winning on the road in the semi's, against your bitter rival, is even harder. Winning on the road in the semis against your rival, when they've already proven to be really good since they beat you in your house a month prior... let's just say they have themselves a bit of a challenge on their hands. Not guaranteeing a win by any means, but damn it's going to be tough for them. This will be the craziest, most disruptive environment they've ever played in. I'll be really interested to see if Ay Yat can handle it.
What are the Cats … 1-7 or something like that? Road playoff games are tough.

Re: The Griz are 1-13

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2025 10:14 pm
by BOBCATBORN
OldGriz wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 10:13 pm
catatac wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 9:03 pm
In road playoff games, with the last win vs James Madison in 2008. That's crazy. In Bobby's own words, "Winning is hard. Football is a hard game. If it was easy, they'd call it soccer." Now, let's add to that. So winning is hard. Winning on the road is even harder. Winning on the road in the playoffs is even harder. Winning on the road in the SEMI's in the playoffs is even harder. Winning on the road in the semi's, against your bitter rival, is even harder. Winning on the road in the semis against your rival, when they've already proven to be really good since they beat you in your house a month prior... let's just say they have themselves a bit of a challenge on their hands. Not guaranteeing a win by any means, but damn it's going to be tough for them. This will be the craziest, most disruptive environment they've ever played in. I'll be really interested to see if Ay Yat can handle it.
What are the Cats … 1-7 or something like that? Road playoff games are tough.
Yeah, but the Gris are the ones with one coming up. Or did you forget that?

Re: The Griz are 1-13

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2025 10:20 pm
by OldGriz
BOBCATBORN wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 10:14 pm
OldGriz wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 10:13 pm
catatac wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 9:03 pm
In road playoff games, with the last win vs James Madison in 2008. That's crazy. In Bobby's own words, "Winning is hard. Football is a hard game. If it was easy, they'd call it soccer." Now, let's add to that. So winning is hard. Winning on the road is even harder. Winning on the road in the playoffs is even harder. Winning on the road in the SEMI's in the playoffs is even harder. Winning on the road in the semi's, against your bitter rival, is even harder. Winning on the road in the semis against your rival, when they've already proven to be really good since they beat you in your house a month prior... let's just say they have themselves a bit of a challenge on their hands. Not guaranteeing a win by any means, but damn it's going to be tough for them. This will be the craziest, most disruptive environment they've ever played in. I'll be really interested to see if Ay Yat can handle it.
What are the Cats … 1-7 or something like that? Road playoff games are tough.
Yeah, but the Gris are the ones with one coming up. Or did you forget that?
Oh, I’m old and scattered, but I haven’t forgotten where the game is Saturday.

Re: The Griz are 1-13

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2025 10:29 pm
by catatac
OldGriz wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 10:20 pm
BOBCATBORN wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 10:14 pm
OldGriz wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 10:13 pm
catatac wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 9:03 pm
In road playoff games, with the last win vs James Madison in 2008. That's crazy. In Bobby's own words, "Winning is hard. Football is a hard game. If it was easy, they'd call it soccer." Now, let's add to that. So winning is hard. Winning on the road is even harder. Winning on the road in the playoffs is even harder. Winning on the road in the SEMI's in the playoffs is even harder. Winning on the road in the semi's, against your bitter rival, is even harder. Winning on the road in the semis against your rival, when they've already proven to be really good since they beat you in your house a month prior... let's just say they have themselves a bit of a challenge on their hands. Not guaranteeing a win by any means, but damn it's going to be tough for them. This will be the craziest, most disruptive environment they've ever played in. I'll be really interested to see if Ay Yat can handle it.
What are the Cats … 1-7 or something like that? Road playoff games are tough.
Yeah, but the Gris are the ones with one coming up. Or did you forget that?
Oh, I’m old and scattered, but I haven’t forgotten where the game is Saturday.
Ya, kinda the point. The Cats have lost a lot of road playoff games but the Griz have lost way more. Incredibly tough to pull those off, especially in the semi's, against your bitter rival.

Re: The Griz are 1-13

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2025 8:14 am
by TomCat88
OldGriz wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 10:13 pm
catatac wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 9:03 pm
In road playoff games, with the last win vs James Madison in 2008. That's crazy. In Bobby's own words, "Winning is hard. Football is a hard game. If it was easy, they'd call it soccer." Now, let's add to that. So winning is hard. Winning on the road is even harder. Winning on the road in the playoffs is even harder. Winning on the road in the SEMI's in the playoffs is even harder. Winning on the road in the semi's, against your bitter rival, is even harder. Winning on the road in the semis against your rival, when they've already proven to be really good since they beat you in your house a month prior... let's just say they have themselves a bit of a challenge on their hands. Not guaranteeing a win by any means, but damn it's going to be tough for them. This will be the craziest, most disruptive environment they've ever played in. I'll be really interested to see if Ay Yat can handle it.
What are the Cats … 1-7 or something like that? Road playoff games are tough.
MSU is 2-7. Has beaten NDSU '76 and SHSU '21 on the road. Lost to McNeese State, No. Iowa, App. State*, SHSU, NDSU*, NDSU*, and SDSU*. * - 4 Nat'l champions.

Yes, road games are tough. UM is due to win one.

Re: The Griz are 1-13

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2025 9:47 am
by iaafan
TomCat88 wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 8:14 am
OldGriz wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 10:13 pm
catatac wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 9:03 pm
In road playoff games, with the last win vs James Madison in 2008. That's crazy. In Bobby's own words, "Winning is hard. Football is a hard game. If it was easy, they'd call it soccer." Now, let's add to that. So winning is hard. Winning on the road is even harder. Winning on the road in the playoffs is even harder. Winning on the road in the SEMI's in the playoffs is even harder. Winning on the road in the semi's, against your bitter rival, is even harder. Winning on the road in the semis against your rival, when they've already proven to be really good since they beat you in your house a month prior... let's just say they have themselves a bit of a challenge on their hands. Not guaranteeing a win by any means, but damn it's going to be tough for them. This will be the craziest, most disruptive environment they've ever played in. I'll be really interested to see if Ay Yat can handle it.
What are the Cats … 1-7 or something like that? Road playoff games are tough.
MSU is 2-7. Has beaten NDSU '76 and SHSU '21 on the road. Lost to McNeese State, No. Iowa, App. State*, SHSU, NDSU*, NDSU*, and SDSU*. * - 4 Nat'l champions.

Yes, road games are tough. UM is due to win one.
Technically a neutral field but um did win at Marshall in 1995. 2-13?

Re: The Griz are 1-13

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2025 10:35 am
by cats2506
OldGriz wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 10:13 pm
catatac wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 9:03 pm
In road playoff games, with the last win vs James Madison in 2008. That's crazy. In Bobby's own words, "Winning is hard. Football is a hard game. If it was easy, they'd call it soccer." Now, let's add to that. So winning is hard. Winning on the road is even harder. Winning on the road in the playoffs is even harder. Winning on the road in the SEMI's in the playoffs is even harder. Winning on the road in the semi's, against your bitter rival, is even harder. Winning on the road in the semis against your rival, when they've already proven to be really good since they beat you in your house a month prior... let's just say they have themselves a bit of a challenge on their hands. Not guaranteeing a win by any means, but damn it's going to be tough for them. This will be the craziest, most disruptive environment they've ever played in. I'll be really interested to see if Ay Yat can handle it.
What are the Cats … 1-7 or something like that? Road playoff games are tough.
How is that relevant, Cats are playing at home if you didn't know :shock:

Re: The Griz are 1-13

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2025 10:37 am
by iaafan
cats2506 wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 10:35 am
OldGriz wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 10:13 pm
catatac wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 9:03 pm
In road playoff games, with the last win vs James Madison in 2008. That's crazy. In Bobby's own words, "Winning is hard. Football is a hard game. If it was easy, they'd call it soccer." Now, let's add to that. So winning is hard. Winning on the road is even harder. Winning on the road in the playoffs is even harder. Winning on the road in the SEMI's in the playoffs is even harder. Winning on the road in the semi's, against your bitter rival, is even harder. Winning on the road in the semis against your rival, when they've already proven to be really good since they beat you in your house a month prior... let's just say they have themselves a bit of a challenge on their hands. Not guaranteeing a win by any means, but damn it's going to be tough for them. This will be the craziest, most disruptive environment they've ever played in. I'll be really interested to see if Ay Yat can handle it.
What are the Cats … 1-7 or something like that? Road playoff games are tough.
How is that relevant, Cats are playing at home if you didn't know :shock:
And it supports catatac’s argument: tough to win on the road.

Re: The Griz are 1-13

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2025 11:11 am
by catatac
TomCat88 wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 8:14 am
OldGriz wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 10:13 pm
catatac wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 9:03 pm
In road playoff games, with the last win vs James Madison in 2008. That's crazy. In Bobby's own words, "Winning is hard. Football is a hard game. If it was easy, they'd call it soccer." Now, let's add to that. So winning is hard. Winning on the road is even harder. Winning on the road in the playoffs is even harder. Winning on the road in the SEMI's in the playoffs is even harder. Winning on the road in the semi's, against your bitter rival, is even harder. Winning on the road in the semis against your rival, when they've already proven to be really good since they beat you in your house a month prior... let's just say they have themselves a bit of a challenge on their hands. Not guaranteeing a win by any means, but damn it's going to be tough for them. This will be the craziest, most disruptive environment they've ever played in. I'll be really interested to see if Ay Yat can handle it.
What are the Cats … 1-7 or something like that? Road playoff games are tough.
MSU is 2-7. Has beaten NDSU '76 and SHSU '21 on the road. Lost to McNeese State, No. Iowa, App. State*, SHSU, NDSU*, NDSU*, and SDSU*. * - 4 Nat'l champions.

Yes, road games are tough. UM is due to win one.
Wat? Bite your tongue...

Re: The Griz are 1-13

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2025 11:31 am
by TomCat88
catatac wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 11:11 am
TomCat88 wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 8:14 am
OldGriz wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 10:13 pm
catatac wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 9:03 pm
In road playoff games, with the last win vs James Madison in 2008. That's crazy. In Bobby's own words, "Winning is hard. Football is a hard game. If it was easy, they'd call it soccer." Now, let's add to that. So winning is hard. Winning on the road is even harder. Winning on the road in the playoffs is even harder. Winning on the road in the SEMI's in the playoffs is even harder. Winning on the road in the semi's, against your bitter rival, is even harder. Winning on the road in the semis against your rival, when they've already proven to be really good since they beat you in your house a month prior... let's just say they have themselves a bit of a challenge on their hands. Not guaranteeing a win by any means, but damn it's going to be tough for them. This will be the craziest, most disruptive environment they've ever played in. I'll be really interested to see if Ay Yat can handle it.
What are the Cats … 1-7 or something like that? Road playoff games are tough.
MSU is 2-7. Has beaten NDSU '76 and SHSU '21 on the road. Lost to McNeese State, No. Iowa, App. State*, SHSU, NDSU*, NDSU*, and SDSU*. * - 4 Nat'l champions.

Yes, road games are tough. UM is due to win one.
Wat? Bite your tongue...
What took you so long?

I thought I'd be hearing a knock on my door by now. :wink:

Re: The Griz are 1-13

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2025 11:33 am
by thefrank1
We all know that you were playing devil's advocate and trying to stir the pot.

Re: The Griz are 1-13

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2025 11:44 am
by TomCat88
thefrank1 wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 11:33 am
We all know that you were playing devil's advocate and trying to stir the pot.
My act has worn out around here. :( :wink:

Re: The Griz are 1-13

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2025 12:59 pm
by thefrank1
Not really, just a reduced knee jerk response.

Re: The Griz are 1-13

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2025 1:39 pm
by D-Wreck
TomCat88 wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 11:44 am
thefrank1 wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 11:33 am
We all know that you were playing devil's advocate and trying to stir the pot.
My act has worn out around here. :( :wink:
Not at all Tom! It's just that your shenanigans are cheeky and fun, while the others are just cruel and tragic trolls that have depleted my energy.

Re: The Griz are 1-13

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2025 1:45 pm
by Bobcat Sig
D-Wreck wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 1:39 pm
TomCat88 wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 11:44 am
thefrank1 wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 11:33 am
We all know that you were playing devil's advocate and trying to stir the pot.
My act has worn out around here. :( :wink:
Not at all Tom! It's just that your shenanigans are cheeky and fun, while the others are just cruel and tragic trolls that have depleted my energy.
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Re: The Griz are 1-13

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2025 1:46 pm
by Cledus
TomCat88 wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 8:14 am
OldGriz wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 10:13 pm
catatac wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 9:03 pm
In road playoff games, with the last win vs James Madison in 2008. That's crazy. In Bobby's own words, "Winning is hard. Football is a hard game. If it was easy, they'd call it soccer." Now, let's add to that. So winning is hard. Winning on the road is even harder. Winning on the road in the playoffs is even harder. Winning on the road in the SEMI's in the playoffs is even harder. Winning on the road in the semi's, against your bitter rival, is even harder. Winning on the road in the semis against your rival, when they've already proven to be really good since they beat you in your house a month prior... let's just say they have themselves a bit of a challenge on their hands. Not guaranteeing a win by any means, but damn it's going to be tough for them. This will be the craziest, most disruptive environment they've ever played in. I'll be really interested to see if Ay Yat can handle it.
What are the Cats … 1-7 or something like that? Road playoff games are tough.
MSU is 2-7. Has beaten NDSU '76 and SHSU '21 on the road. Lost to McNeese State, No. Iowa, App. State*, SHSU, NDSU*, NDSU*, and SDSU*. * - 4 Nat'l champions.

Yes, road games are tough. UM is due to win one.
The odds of hitting heads in a coin toss never change no matter how many previous flips were tails. Likewise, um's past road record may be bad but that doesn't improve their chances of winning this time. Smash that like button and follow me for more can't miss statistics.

Re: The Griz are 1-13

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2025 3:41 pm
by cats2506
Cledus wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 1:46 pm
TomCat88 wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 8:14 am
OldGriz wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 10:13 pm
catatac wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 9:03 pm
In road playoff games, with the last win vs James Madison in 2008. That's crazy. In Bobby's own words, "Winning is hard. Football is a hard game. If it was easy, they'd call it soccer." Now, let's add to that. So winning is hard. Winning on the road is even harder. Winning on the road in the playoffs is even harder. Winning on the road in the SEMI's in the playoffs is even harder. Winning on the road in the semi's, against your bitter rival, is even harder. Winning on the road in the semis against your rival, when they've already proven to be really good since they beat you in your house a month prior... let's just say they have themselves a bit of a challenge on their hands. Not guaranteeing a win by any means, but damn it's going to be tough for them. This will be the craziest, most disruptive environment they've ever played in. I'll be really interested to see if Ay Yat can handle it.
What are the Cats … 1-7 or something like that? Road playoff games are tough.
MSU is 2-7. Has beaten NDSU '76 and SHSU '21 on the road. Lost to McNeese State, No. Iowa, App. State*, SHSU, NDSU*, NDSU*, and SDSU*. * - 4 Nat'l champions.

Yes, road games are tough. UM is due to win one.
The odds of hitting heads in a coin toss never change no matter how many previous flips were tails. Likewise, um's past road record may be bad but that doesn't improve their chances of winning this time. Smash that like button and follow me for more can't miss statistics.
I like the coin toss thing, but how does it relate to the game that has many more input variables and outcome probabilities

Re: The Griz are 1-13

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2025 5:14 pm
by Cledus
cats2506 wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 3:41 pm
Cledus wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 1:46 pm
TomCat88 wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 8:14 am
OldGriz wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 10:13 pm
catatac wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 9:03 pm
In road playoff games, with the last win vs James Madison in 2008. That's crazy. In Bobby's own words, "Winning is hard. Football is a hard game. If it was easy, they'd call it soccer." Now, let's add to that. So winning is hard. Winning on the road is even harder. Winning on the road in the playoffs is even harder. Winning on the road in the SEMI's in the playoffs is even harder. Winning on the road in the semi's, against your bitter rival, is even harder. Winning on the road in the semis against your rival, when they've already proven to be really good since they beat you in your house a month prior... let's just say they have themselves a bit of a challenge on their hands. Not guaranteeing a win by any means, but damn it's going to be tough for them. This will be the craziest, most disruptive environment they've ever played in. I'll be really interested to see if Ay Yat can handle it.
What are the Cats … 1-7 or something like that? Road playoff games are tough.
MSU is 2-7. Has beaten NDSU '76 and SHSU '21 on the road. Lost to McNeese State, No. Iowa, App. State*, SHSU, NDSU*, NDSU*, and SDSU*. * - 4 Nat'l champions.

Yes, road games are tough. UM is due to win one.
The odds of hitting heads in a coin toss never change no matter how many previous flips were tails. Likewise, um's past road record may be bad but that doesn't improve their chances of winning this time. Smash that like button and follow me for more can't miss statistics.
I like the coin toss thing, but how does it relate to the game that has many more input variables and outcome probabilities
The idea that um will win because "they're due" is the gambler's fallacy no matter what variables and inputs are included. It's also the gambler's fallacy to say that MSU will win because Vigen's home record is 39-2, and all the other historical statistics given.

Every objective analysis done by people here point to an MSU win, and I agree. I always thought MSU will win because they're the better team, and I don't need those analyses to convince me. But they do give me something to hang my hat on. I think MSU wins going away by 10+ but what has happened in the past has no bearing on Saturday's outcome.

Re: The Griz are 1-13

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2025 5:23 pm
by TomCat88
Cledus wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 5:14 pm
cats2506 wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 3:41 pm
Cledus wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 1:46 pm
TomCat88 wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 8:14 am
OldGriz wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 10:13 pm
catatac wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 9:03 pm
In road playoff games, with the last win vs James Madison in 2008. That's crazy. In Bobby's own words, "Winning is hard. Football is a hard game. If it was easy, they'd call it soccer." Now, let's add to that. So winning is hard. Winning on the road is even harder. Winning on the road in the playoffs is even harder. Winning on the road in the SEMI's in the playoffs is even harder. Winning on the road in the semi's, against your bitter rival, is even harder. Winning on the road in the semis against your rival, when they've already proven to be really good since they beat you in your house a month prior... let's just say they have themselves a bit of a challenge on their hands. Not guaranteeing a win by any means, but damn it's going to be tough for them. This will be the craziest, most disruptive environment they've ever played in. I'll be really interested to see if Ay Yat can handle it.
What are the Cats … 1-7 or something like that? Road playoff games are tough.
MSU is 2-7. Has beaten NDSU '76 and SHSU '21 on the road. Lost to McNeese State, No. Iowa, App. State*, SHSU, NDSU*, NDSU*, and SDSU*. * - 4 Nat'l champions.

Yes, road games are tough. UM is due to win one.
The odds of hitting heads in a coin toss never change no matter how many previous flips were tails. Likewise, um's past road record may be bad but that doesn't improve their chances of winning this time. Smash that like button and follow me for more can't miss statistics.
I like the coin toss thing, but how does it relate to the game that has many more input variables and outcome probabilities
The idea that um will win because "they're due" is the gambler's fallacy no matter what variables and inputs are included. It's also the gambler's fallacy to say that MSU will win because Vigen's home record is 39-2, and all the other historical statistics given.

Every objective analysis done by people here point to an MSU win, and I agree. I always thought MSU will win because they're the better team, and I don't need those analyses to convince me. But they do give me something to hang my hat on. I think MSU wins going away by 10+ but what has happened in the past has no bearing on Saturday's outcome.
I was just trying to build up Old Griz. I think that's all he's looking for. Notice he didn't reply?