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Re: Portland's not a state

Post by LZCAT » Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:38 am

Very disapointing game from our senior guards. In my opinion that was the difference in the game. Our three juniors played great, which is a good sign for next year if we can get some talent and muscle inside. It was a great college atmosphere and the students were really into it. Congrats to them! The referees had way too much of an impact on the game in my opinion. We just couldn't get into a good rythym against their zone. Less than 40% from the field won't win many playoff games. I love the Bobcats even when they lose, but this one really hurts!



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Re: Portland's not a state

Post by grizzh8r » Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:21 am

That short bald ref screwed us out of a game 3 years ago, and he screwed us out of this one as well. He made numerous calls where he was not in a position to make the call, or it wasn't his call. For the most part, I thought the other two guys made some really good calls - and the correct calls - both ways. But it only take one bad apple to spoil the bunch, and he sure did. I knew we were in trouble when he called a foul in the first half when a driving PSU player lost his footing, slipped, and fell and there was a foul called on Eric Rush. I think the Cats are the only team in this conference that regularly gets homered AT HOME...


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Re: Portland's not a state

Post by KittieKop » Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:28 am

The difference in this game is what plagued us most of the year - total lack of any inside game. Something close to 60 percent of our field goal attempts were three pointers (we hoisted 29 attempts last night)! We couldn't get the ball inside the 3 point arc; when we did, we were missing the bunny shots. No penetration from the guards, not drawing fouls inside. On the other end of the court, the lack of a big man meant Portland kept backing us down inside three feet of the hoop and dropping the little gimmes. Add to that we fouled I don't know how many times on those little bunny shots - little love tap fouls; if you're gonna foul him, make sure he doesn't make the shot. Our small guys were getting taken inside consistently, drawing doubles and triples, leaving wide open shots inside for little dump offs or passes back out for wide open threes. Portland had the game plan on us and worked it well.

All in all, we didn't play a bad game, but lack of a big man was glaring last night. Portland played a good game last night and deserved the win in my opinion. Good Portland play, coupled with our lack of an inside game, some horrible ref calls in the second half and a couple bad mistakes by the Cats down the stretch (missed lay up, foul, turnover to end our game) - that's what lost it last night. Disappointing yes, but a lot of it should not have been surprising given the team's play all year. We had three players in double figures, but beyond that, everyone else disappeared.


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Re: Portland's not a state

Post by KittieKop » Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:32 am

grizzh8r wrote:That short bald ref screwed us out of a game 3 years ago, and he screwed us out of this one as well. He made numerous calls where he was not in a position to make the call, or it wasn't his call. For the most part, I thought the other two guys made some really good calls - and the correct calls - both ways. But it only take one bad apple to spoil the bunch, and he sure did. I knew we were in trouble when he called a foul in the first half when a driving PSU player lost his footing, slipped, and fell and there was a foul called on Eric Rush. I think the Cats are the only team in this conference that regularly gets homered AT HOME...
A lot of bad calls in the second half, but our melt down in the last 30 seconds is what lost this game. Ref work didn't help, but I wouldn't blame last night on them. We were there at the end and didn't produce. After all that, with 3.7 left, Navarre had a clean look and clean shot from the top of the key to tie it, and missed. Portland state made fewer mistakes - especially when it counted. And that three to win it was a big time shot.


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Re: Portland's not a state

Post by hardhatcat » Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:05 am

Not sure how the rule is stated, but the ball never crossed half court and Rush was across also. Not sure how the ref 20 feet up court can make that call when the ref on the opposite side ( at half court ) does not.
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Post by CARDIAC_CATS » Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:55 pm

grizzh8r wrote:That short bald ref screwed us out of a game 3 years ago, and he screwed us out of this one as well. He made numerous calls where he was not in a position to make the call, or it wasn't his call. For the most part, I thought the other two guys made some really good calls - and the correct calls - both ways. But it only take one bad apple to spoil the bunch, and he sure did. I knew we were in trouble when he called a foul in the first half when a driving PSU player lost his footing, slipped, and fell and there was a foul called on Eric Rush. I think the Cats are the only team in this conference that regularly gets homered AT HOME...
Keep track of the games he has reffed for MSU and how many we have lost. He used to ref in the Billings reffing pool and let's just say his reffing skills were not why he progressed up through the ranks. He is very good at butt kissing lets just say that. He has a tendancy to ignore the other refs and take over on every call late in games (while being totally out of position).



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Re: Portland's not a state

Post by CATS2000 » Sun Mar 07, 2010 3:29 pm

Regardless of the refs - the over and back came after a time out with 35 sec left and the shot clock was off. Simply unacceptable to turn the ball over at that point.



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Re: Portland's not a state

Post by Helcat72 » Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:01 pm

hardhatcat wrote:Not sure how the rule is stated, but the ball never crossed half court and Rush was across also. Not sure how the ref 20 feet up court can make that call when the ref on the opposite side ( at half court ) does not.
longhorn_22 wrote:From what I saw, that over and back was very questionable.
It was the right call...Rush had established himself in the front court and jumped from the front court to the back court while catching the ball...then landed in the back court. If he could have landed before he touched the ball or stradled the line he would have been Ok


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Re: Portland's not a state

Post by John K » Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:40 pm

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BelgradeBobcat wrote:What can I say-we had a panic attack at the end when the game was all but won and that was it. Navarre slows way down on that layup and it gets blocked. Then we turn it over on the press-like everyone else said-call a timeout or better yet-attack them and take down their throat.

We had three starters with zero points at half time.

A ticky tacky ref had all the big guys on both teams in foul trouble. That guy took over the game and ruined it.

Some good things happened this season. Everyone ends with a loss except the national champ-that's the way it goes. MSU probably has the worst winning percentage in the post season in Big Sky history. I can't say I'm all that surprised that we lost-in chocking fashion.

This team has not played well at home since January.

Next season has a good chance at being worse than this one-gird yourselves-we'll be rebuilding big time.
We will be in Huse's fifth year as head coach; no excuses as to why we should be rebuilding.


I absolutely agree with that comment. While I thought PSU played more like the team that has won the last two BSC tourneys, than the team that was seeded only 6th this season, it is frustrating to continue to be stuck in mediocrity. This loss now makes it 10 of the last 11 years with no tourney wins, and you are correct that by year 5, the rebuilding job should be complete. And last night was a total "buzz kill" after that exciting sweep of UM last weekend. A tourney win at home sure would have helped to maintain some momentum going into next season, but....

I was at the game, and I honestly thought the Cats played pretty well until that sequence in the final minute, which was inexcusable. We had a lot of shots that bounced around the rim and fell out, which is going to happen some games. We maybe shot a few too many threes, although that was probably dictated by PSU's defense. But we did a good job on the boards, and I thought we had pretty good ball movement most of the game. Late in the 2nd half, they were eating us up inside though.

I think there were plenty of bad calls that went both ways, and to blame this loss on the officials in an absolute cop out. When we have a 2-point lead in the final minute, and then get a steal that should have put us up by four....well, like I said....inexcusable. It would have been nice to see a bigger crowd, but the folks that were there were very enthusiastic and into the game. I hadn't been to an MSU basketball game for several years, and I had forgotton how fun they can be....except for that final minute of course.



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Re: Portland's not a state

Post by Billings_Griz » Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:32 pm

CARDIAC_CATS wrote:
grizzh8r wrote:That short bald ref screwed us out of a game 3 years ago, and he screwed us out of this one as well. He made numerous calls where he was not in a position to make the call, or it wasn't his call. For the most part, I thought the other two guys made some really good calls - and the correct calls - both ways. But it only take one bad apple to spoil the bunch, and he sure did. I knew we were in trouble when he called a foul in the first half when a driving PSU player lost his footing, slipped, and fell and there was a foul called on Eric Rush. I think the Cats are the only team in this conference that regularly gets homered AT HOME...
Keep track of the games he has reffed for MSU and how many we have lost. He used to ref in the Billings reffing pool and let's just say his reffing skills were not why he progressed up through the ranks. He is very good at butt kissing lets just say that. He has a tendancy to ignore the other refs and take over on every call late in games (while being totally out of position).
If you're talking about Ty Elkin y'all so fukkkkking wrong I beg you to buy yourself a whistle and a stripped shirt. If he's not the a top 5 ref in the state, I'll by Bobcat Nation lunch.

Also, if it is him and you think you're better then him, enjoy yourselves busting his balls as you probably won't see him next year. Look for him on TV in the MWC, WAC or Pac-10.



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Re: Portland's not a state

Post by CPACAT » Mon Mar 08, 2010 8:40 am

Did not watch the game did not listen to the game so my observations are from the box scores.

Navarre & Bynum 1-12 from the field. Game, Set, Match.


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Re: Portland's not a state

Post by CelticCat » Mon Mar 08, 2010 8:44 am

PSU used the zone effectively. We couldn't penetrate it. If it wasn't for Piepoli, we would've lost by 10.


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Re: Portland's not a state

Post by CARDIAC_CATS » Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:11 am

Billings_Griz wrote:
CARDIAC_CATS wrote:
grizzh8r wrote:That short bald ref screwed us out of a game 3 years ago, and he screwed us out of this one as well. He made numerous calls where he was not in a position to make the call, or it wasn't his call. For the most part, I thought the other two guys made some really good calls - and the correct calls - both ways. But it only take one bad apple to spoil the bunch, and he sure did. I knew we were in trouble when he called a foul in the first half when a driving PSU player lost his footing, slipped, and fell and there was a foul called on Eric Rush. I think the Cats are the only team in this conference that regularly gets homered AT HOME...
Keep track of the games he has reffed for MSU and how many we have lost. He used to ref in the Billings reffing pool and let's just say his reffing skills were not why he progressed up through the ranks. He is very good at butt kissing lets just say that. He has a tendancy to ignore the other refs and take over on every call late in games (while being totally out of position).
If you're talking about Ty Elkin y'all so fukkkkking wrong I beg you to buy yourself a whistle and a stripped shirt. If he's not the a top 5 ref in the state, I'll by Bobcat Nation lunch.

Also, if it is him and you think you're better then him, enjoy yourselves busting his balls as you probably won't see him next year. Look for him on TV in the MWC, WAC or Pac-10.
Man I hope your right! I hope he does go to the MWC.

Great refs blend into games. There is a reason he is sticking out or he wouldn't be focused on right now (multiple comments from fans).



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Re: Portland's not a state

Post by wbtfg » Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:46 pm

CARDIAC_CATS wrote:
Billings_Griz wrote:
CARDIAC_CATS wrote:
grizzh8r wrote:That short bald ref screwed us out of a game 3 years ago, and he screwed us out of this one as well. He made numerous calls where he was not in a position to make the call, or it wasn't his call. For the most part, I thought the other two guys made some really good calls - and the correct calls - both ways. But it only take one bad apple to spoil the bunch, and he sure did. I knew we were in trouble when he called a foul in the first half when a driving PSU player lost his footing, slipped, and fell and there was a foul called on Eric Rush. I think the Cats are the only team in this conference that regularly gets homered AT HOME...
Keep track of the games he has reffed for MSU and how many we have lost. He used to ref in the Billings reffing pool and let's just say his reffing skills were not why he progressed up through the ranks. He is very good at butt kissing lets just say that. He has a tendancy to ignore the other refs and take over on every call late in games (while being totally out of position).
If you're talking about Ty Elkin y'all so fukkkkking wrong I beg you to buy yourself a whistle and a stripped shirt. If he's not the a top 5 ref in the state, I'll by Bobcat Nation lunch.

Also, if it is him and you think you're better then him, enjoy yourselves busting his balls as you probably won't see him next year. Look for him on TV in the MWC, WAC or Pac-10.

Man I hope your right! I hope he does go to the MWC.

Great refs blend into games. There is a reason he is sticking out or he wouldn't be focused on right now (multiple comments from fans).
Ty Elkin was the tall, bald ref, and was easily the best of the three. I thought he did a solid job.

The short bald ref was pretty bad, and the other ref who looked a bit lid Ed Norton wasn't stellar either.
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Re: Portland's not a state

Post by CARDIAC_CATS » Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:53 pm

wbtfg wrote:
CARDIAC_CATS wrote:
Billings_Griz wrote:
CARDIAC_CATS wrote:
grizzh8r wrote:That short bald ref screwed us out of a game 3 years ago, and he screwed us out of this one as well. He made numerous calls where he was not in a position to make the call, or it wasn't his call. For the most part, I thought the other two guys made some really good calls - and the correct calls - both ways. But it only take one bad apple to spoil the bunch, and he sure did. I knew we were in trouble when he called a foul in the first half when a driving PSU player lost his footing, slipped, and fell and there was a foul called on Eric Rush. I think the Cats are the only team in this conference that regularly gets homered AT HOME...
Keep track of the games he has reffed for MSU and how many we have lost. He used to ref in the Billings reffing pool and let's just say his reffing skills were not why he progressed up through the ranks. He is very good at butt kissing lets just say that. He has a tendancy to ignore the other refs and take over on every call late in games (while being totally out of position).
If you're talking about Ty Elkin y'all so fukkkkking wrong I beg you to buy yourself a whistle and a stripped shirt. If he's not the a top 5 ref in the state, I'll by Bobcat Nation lunch.

Also, if it is him and you think you're better then him, enjoy yourselves busting his balls as you probably won't see him next year. Look for him on TV in the MWC, WAC or Pac-10.
Ty Elkin was the tall, bald ref, and was easily the best of the three. I thought he did a solid job.

The short bald ref was pretty bad, and the other ref who looked a bit lid Ed Norton wasn't stellar either.

Man I hope your right! I hope he does go to the MWC.

Great refs blend into games. There is a reason he is sticking out or he wouldn't be focused on right now (multiple comments from fans).
Okay I could not tell from the internet that there were two bald refs out there. So if the shorter one was not Elkin then I apologize. Poorly officiated game for a tournament game in my opinion. VERY poor. The cats had their chances though regardless. On to next year.



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Re: Portland's not a state

Post by wbtfg » Mon Mar 08, 2010 2:17 pm

I was just looking at Will’s game blog (http://bozeman-www2.bozemandailychronic ... bcat-blog/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) and there are a few pics of the refs.

The crappy Ed Norton looking ref is in the pic captioned “Bynum on Point”
The crappy short bald ref is in the pic captioned “Waters vs Navarre”
And the Tall bald ref (the good one) is in the pic captioned “Comin’ at ya”

Also, some nice pics of coachouert in there.



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Re: Portland's not a state

Post by grizzh8r » Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:13 pm

CARDIAC_CATS wrote:
Billings_Griz wrote:
CARDIAC_CATS wrote:
grizzh8r wrote:That short bald ref screwed us out of a game 3 years ago, and he screwed us out of this one as well. He made numerous calls where he was not in a position to make the call, or it wasn't his call. For the most part, I thought the other two guys made some really good calls - and the correct calls - both ways. But it only take one bad apple to spoil the bunch, and he sure did. I knew we were in trouble when he called a foul in the first half when a driving PSU player lost his footing, slipped, and fell and there was a foul called on Eric Rush. I think the Cats are the only team in this conference that regularly gets homered AT HOME...
Keep track of the games he has reffed for MSU and how many we have lost. He used to ref in the Billings reffing pool and let's just say his reffing skills were not why he progressed up through the ranks. He is very good at butt kissing lets just say that. He has a tendancy to ignore the other refs and take over on every call late in games (while being totally out of position).
If you're talking about Ty Elkin y'all so fukkkkking wrong I beg you to buy yourself a whistle and a stripped shirt. If he's not the a top 5 ref in the state, I'll by Bobcat Nation lunch.

Also, if it is him and you think you're better then him, enjoy yourselves busting his balls as you probably won't see him next year. Look for him on TV in the MWC, WAC or Pac-10.
Man I hope your right! I hope he does go to the MWC.

Great refs blend into games. There is a reason he is sticking out or he wouldn't be focused on right now (multiple comments from fans).
Exactly! In a well-officiated game, they should be transparent. When one dominates the calls, and stares down Coach Huse after a VERY questionable foul in the first half, that is BAD. I thought the Elkin guy did a good job - right on top of a number of calls. And I didn't see the dark-haired guy make any bad calls. It was the short bald guy who BLEW.


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Re: Portland's not a state

Post by longhorn_22 » Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:27 am

grizzh8r wrote:
CARDIAC_CATS wrote:
Billings_Griz wrote:
CARDIAC_CATS wrote:
grizzh8r wrote:That short bald ref screwed us out of a game 3 years ago, and he screwed us out of this one as well. He made numerous calls where he was not in a position to make the call, or it wasn't his call. For the most part, I thought the other two guys made some really good calls - and the correct calls - both ways. But it only take one bad apple to spoil the bunch, and he sure did. I knew we were in trouble when he called a foul in the first half when a driving PSU player lost his footing, slipped, and fell and there was a foul called on Eric Rush. I think the Cats are the only team in this conference that regularly gets homered AT HOME...
Keep track of the games he has reffed for MSU and how many we have lost. He used to ref in the Billings reffing pool and let's just say his reffing skills were not why he progressed up through the ranks. He is very good at butt kissing lets just say that. He has a tendancy to ignore the other refs and take over on every call late in games (while being totally out of position).
If you're talking about Ty Elkin y'all so fukkkkking wrong I beg you to buy yourself a whistle and a stripped shirt. If he's not the a top 5 ref in the state, I'll by Bobcat Nation lunch.

Also, if it is him and you think you're better then him, enjoy yourselves busting his balls as you probably won't see him next year. Look for him on TV in the MWC, WAC or Pac-10.
Man I hope your right! I hope he does go to the MWC.

Great refs blend into games. There is a reason he is sticking out or he wouldn't be focused on right now (multiple comments from fans).
Exactly! In a well-officiated game, they should be transparent. When one dominates the calls, and stares down Coach Huse after a VERY questionable foul in the first half, that is BAD. I thought the Elkin guy did a good job - right on top of a number of calls. And I didn't see the dark-haired guy make any bad calls. It was the short bald guy who BLEW.
God, when he stared down Huse I was just waiting for him to throw up a T. That call was absolutely dreadful and he stared Coach Huse down like he was yelling obscenities at his mother.



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Re: Portland's not a state

Post by wbtfg » Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:18 pm

Our short bald frind was officiating the PSU v Weber game last night. Apparently Domenic Waters wasn't impressed
"We held together and competed in the second half, but fell short," Waters said. "We shot six free throws, they shot 23. They only foul six times in the second half? That is pretty crazy, I don't really understand that. But hey, we got the short end of the stick a lot this year. ... Better luck to the team next year."



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Post by CelticCat » Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:55 pm

There were some terrible calls in that game (PSU / Weber). Waters got whistled for his 4th foul with 11 or so to go in the game, on a ghost offensive push-off. Even the announcers were baffled.


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