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[info197176]

Will Cherry never visited MSU, Stuckey couldn't get into either UM or MSU and Johnson went to UM because Robin Selvig gave a scholarship to Johnson's wife and no other school was willing to do that.

[BelgradeBobcat]

I knew we recruited Lillard. I don't think academics were an issue-he just preferred Weber over us and whoever else was recruiting him. And who wouldn't? They have a better coach, a winning tradition, and a beautiful arena. The surprising thing with Lillard was that he was so underrated out of high school that he fell all the way to a Big Sky school.

Other than Bobby Howard, who we had a leg up on everyone because of his lineage, has Huse won any recruiting battles with other Big Sky schools for high school players?

[LB33]

Huse had Johnson, Cherry and Stuckey all on campus, the problem was that he could not get them into MSU academically

So your telling me he could not talk the admin into taking a chance on at least one of the two future NBA lottery pics? C'mon man!! They obviously had the NCCA requirements to be eligible...but you want us to believe MSU standards are that much higher than the other 2 BSC schools they played at?? Not saying your wrong but I would like to see the proof!

[wbtfg]

Will Cherry never visited MSU, Stuckey couldn't get into either UM or MSU and Johnson went to UM because Robin Selvig gave a scholarship to Johnson's wife and no other school was willing to do that.

Yep...

[defensivearts]

The notion that Huse had Lilliard, Stuckey, Cherry, Johnson etc on MSU's campus for recruiting trips but then could not get them approved academically is debatable.

Ten years ago MSU's academic standards for giving out of state athletes scholarships was higher than UM's. MSU at one time required out of state athletic scholarship prospects to be a 2.5 GPA minimum and rank in the top half of their graduating class. That doesn't sound like a lot to some people but I know that was really tough on Durham and HyselI in the 90's.

I also know that in ancient history the Cats had looked at Michael Ray Richardson'd transcripts and had no way to offer him a ride.

However, it was my belief that when Kramer arrived at MSU he was successful lobbying the administration to admit players at similar standards to the rest of the conference; excepting Portland State and EWU who both continue to admit players no other Division 1 programs west of the Missippi can. They admit Prop 48 players- those who can't meet minimum NCAA standards- who can be admitted without a scholarship and can then receive a scholarship after a semester if they get decent grades.I think that the basketball program followed similar guidelines after Kramer got looser standards for football.

My belief was that since 2002 UM, MSU and schools like Weber were all operating with similar admittance standards for athletes.

I do agree that if Huse had been hired at UM instead of Tinkle he may have done as well. The coach who turns around MSU bball fortunes will have to an exceptional coach and recruiter. If Huse had a good program to begin with i think he could maintain it. Building from the dirt up is the hardest job of all. For example, IMHO if Ash had followed Hysell I doubt he could have resurrected the program as fast as Kramer did. Much of being a successful coach is being the right guy at the right time.

[ilovethecats]

I do agree that if Huse had been hired at UM instead of Tinkle he may have done as well. The coach who turns around MSU bball fortunes will have to an exceptional coach and recruiter. If Huse had a good program to begin with i think he could maintain it. Building from the dirt up is the hardest job of all. For example, IMHO if Ash had followed Hysell I doubt he could have resurrected the program as fast as Kramer did. Much of being a successful coach is being the right guy at the right time.

yours was a great post. i agree with pretty much everything. however, i'm not convinced in huse's recruiting to think he could maintain a program. i agree in the first couple years he probably would have done as good as tinks did. but you gotta give tinks credit for bringing in some pretty awesome players. and when he gets them they stay. i'm just not convinced huse could do that but i'll concede that winning changes everything and when you'rwe winning recruiting becomes easier. kind of a chicken and egg thing...

[TrueCat]

[quote="LB33"][quote="TrueCat"]Huse had Johnson, Cherry and Stuckey all on campus, the problem was that he could not get them into MSU academically[/quote]

So your telling me he could not talk the admin into taking a chance on at least one of the two future NBA lottery pics? C'mon man!! They obviously had the NCCA requirements to be eligible...but you want us to believe MSU standards are that much higher than the other 2 BSC schools they played at?? Not saying your wrong but I would like to see the proof![/quote]

That is what I am telling you. Why do you think Stuckey ended up at EWU and not at Wash. State or Univ. of Washington?? Coincidence?

[wbtfg]

Huse had Johnson, Cherry and Stuckey all on campus, the problem was that he could not get them into MSU academically

So your telling me he could not talk the admin into taking a chance on at least one of the two future NBA lottery pics? C'mon man!! They obviously had the NCCA requirements to be eligible...but you want us to believe MSU standards are that much higher than the other 2 BSC schools they played at?? Not saying your wrong but I would like to see the proof!

That is what I am telling you. Why do you think Stuckey ended up at EWU and not at Wash. State or Univ. of Washington?? Coincidence?

Stuckey didnt meet ncaa req's. PAC 10/12 doesnt allow bringing in non qualifiers. Big sky does allow it, and ewu has had some success with those kids. MSU is a little more rigorous with college curriculum and (at least at that time) didnt have a strong academic support structure in place to ensure academic success for those who have struggled academically.

[Hawks86]

Wasn't there a possibility of APR problems in Durhams last year(s) ?