MBB vs Grand Canyon University

[kennethnoisewater]

Two things: 1. Regarding getting GCU to come to Bozeman, fugetta about it. I did some research. With their sold out games, they are loaded with cash and they don't go play on the road if they don't have to. I guess we get a pretty big paycheck when we go there. And by the way, regarding getting to the Phoenix area from BZN, I know that Allegiant flights are limited to Mesa. But we flew in to Sky Harbor at PHX on United to go up to Flagstaff and attend the MSU-NAU game. The traffic in Phoenix is absolutely horrendous. Plus you have to go WAY outta the way to turn in your rental car at the Rental Car Center. Next time I will try to fly into Mesa on Allegiant and avoid the terrible congestion.

Bky the way, I looked it up and GCU is doing so well with BB that their prez said they are not even considering starting up a football programs. He says it would take 10-15 years to break even.

2. If GCU can sell out games, I think it's time Bobcat fans pick it up with our basketball teams. We need to get bigger crowds. We have good teams, let's get more fans there, like we do for football.

All they have to do is look a few miles away in Tempe where ASU had to block off sections of their stadium because nobody wants to go to football games there. Too hot, too much to do, plus most of the west just doesn't care about football like most of the rest of the country does. Plus they're right downtown...it would be tough to find the space to build a stadium for less than about a billion dollars.

As for MSU crowds in basketball, I agree. I was in school in the late 90's when Sprinkle was playing. That was a fun atmosphere at those games, regardless of who we were playing. I do think when you go to the games in that giant arena now it's a pretty dead environment unless it's full. I'm sure a lot of students have gone to a game or two, sat in that cavernous fieldhouse that doesn't get loud unless it's packed, and just decided it's not all that much fun. I wish MSU could build a smaller, more intimate arena like GCU or Gonzaga where most of the sound doesn't get lost in the rafters. But for now, just keep winning and hopefully people will turn out.

[Prodigal Cat]

Bad loss but things could be worse. We could be the gris.

[The Butcher]

GCU is also a private for-profit university, they are the only D-I for-profit (they are publicly traded). The four other for-profit colleges in the NCAA are Post University, Academy of Art, and Salem International University in D-II; and Daniel Webster College in D-III.

"For-profit members will not be permitted to directly participate in the NCAA’s governance process, neither as voting members at the NCAA Convention nor as institutional representatives on committees," the NCAA said in a statement. "Their staff members will, however, be allowed to participate on committees as representatives of their conferences."

The PAC-12 has said they will not play GCU.

“The incentives for for-profit colleges are not aligned with their students, and even less so with their student-athletes,” the Pac-12 stated in a letter addressed to the executive committee chair. “For-profit colleges are owned and operated by businesses and are not accountable to their students or faculty. Their primary responsibility is to their shareholders.”

[RickRund]

GCU is also a private for-profit university, they are the only D-I for-profit (they are publicly traded). The four other for-profit colleges in the NCAA are Post University, Academy of Art, and Salem International University in D-II; and Daniel Webster College in D-III.

"For-profit members will not be permitted to directly participate in the NCAA’s governance process, neither as voting members at the NCAA Convention nor as institutional representatives on committees," the NCAA said in a statement. "Their staff members will, however, be allowed to participate on committees as representatives of their conferences."

The PAC-12 has said they will not play GCU.

“The incentives for for-profit colleges are not aligned with their students, and even less so with their student-athletes,” the Pac-12 stated in a letter addressed to the executive committee chair. “For-profit colleges are owned and operated by businesses and are not accountable to their students or faculty. Their primary responsibility is to their shareholders.”

Thanks Butcher, had no idea there were publicly traded universities.

[wapiti]

GCU is also a private for-profit university, they are the only D-I for-profit (they are publicly traded). The four other for-profit colleges in the NCAA are Post University, Academy of Art, and Salem International University in D-II; and Daniel Webster College in D-III.

"For-profit members will not be permitted to directly participate in the NCAA’s governance process, neither as voting members at the NCAA Convention nor as institutional representatives on committees," the NCAA said in a statement. "Their staff members will, however, be allowed to participate on committees as representatives of their conferences."

The PAC-12 has said they will not play GCU.

“The incentives for for-profit colleges are not aligned with their students, and even less so with their student-athletes,” the Pac-12 stated in a letter addressed to the executive committee chair. “For-profit colleges are owned and operated by businesses and are not accountable to their students or faculty. Their primary responsibility is to their shareholders.”

I have seen this exact same problem with public universities whose primary responsibility is to who hands them grants (The government rather than the students.). Professors who research rather then teach. They hire a GS to do the teaching for them.

I wonder if GCU may be on to something as to providing a better learning environment. Because it is the students who pay the bills and not any money from the government.

[kennethnoisewater]

GCU is also a private for-profit university, they are the only D-I for-profit (they are publicly traded). The four other for-profit colleges in the NCAA are Post University, Academy of Art, and Salem International University in D-II; and Daniel Webster College in D-III.

"For-profit members will not be permitted to directly participate in the NCAA’s governance process, neither as voting members at the NCAA Convention nor as institutional representatives on committees," the NCAA said in a statement. "Their staff members will, however, be allowed to participate on committees as representatives of their conferences."

The PAC-12 has said they will not play GCU.

“The incentives for for-profit colleges are not aligned with their students, and even less so with their student-athletes,” the Pac-12 stated in a letter addressed to the executive committee chair. “For-profit colleges are owned and operated by businesses and are not accountable to their students or faculty. Their primary responsibility is to their shareholders.”

I have seen this exact same problem with public universities whose primary responsibility is to who hands them grants (The government rather than the students.). Professors who research rather then teach. They hire a GS to do the teaching for them.

I wonder if GCU may be on to something as to providing a better learning environment. Because it is the students who pay the bills and not any money from the government.

Yeah I think there's a couple ways to look at that. Sure, GCU could be all about profits, but if graduates aren't getting jobs and aren't getting a decent education, they'll stop getting students, and that's bad for the bottom line.

[CascadeCat]

GCU is also a private for-profit university, they are the only D-I for-profit (they are publicly traded). The four other for-profit colleges in the NCAA are Post University, Academy of Art, and Salem International University in D-II; and Daniel Webster College in D-III.

"For-profit members will not be permitted to directly participate in the NCAA’s governance process, neither as voting members at the NCAA Convention nor as institutional representatives on committees," the NCAA said in a statement. "Their staff members will, however, be allowed to participate on committees as representatives of their conferences."

The PAC-12 has said they will not play GCU.

“The incentives for for-profit colleges are not aligned with their students, and even less so with their student-athletes,” the Pac-12 stated in a letter addressed to the executive committee chair. “For-profit colleges are owned and operated by businesses and are not accountable to their students or faculty. Their primary responsibility is to their shareholders.”

I have seen this exact same problem with public universities whose primary responsibility is to who hands them grants (The government rather than the students.). Professors who research rather then teach. They hire a GS to do the teaching for them.

I wonder if GCU may be on to something as to providing a better learning environment. Because it is the students who pay the bills and not any money from the government.

Yeah I think there's a couple ways to look at that. Sure, GCU could be all about profits, but if graduates aren't getting jobs and aren't getting a decent education, they'll stop getting students, and that's bad for the bottom line.

I agree if the product put out is a poor product (graduation rate, being educated, job placement, etc) it would fold like a bad restaurant. University is just an undercover word for corporation in my opinion. When was the last buck spent out of an endowment. Why do colleges need to advertise during football games?
Even Providence and Carroll maybe more have advertised on Bobcat games. More students means more money. More students means we can spend more money. Why does MSU’s enrollment grow and UM’s decreased over the years? More product (degrees)
selection? Why do businesses diversify product lines?