Dykstra in Portal

[MSU01]

Do we know how much/if Title IX will factor in to House Settlement/NIL payments?

I have read conflicting information on this, the most recent indicating maybe they don't. I had thought there would be significantly less money to go around once you got outside of the top 15-20 programs in Womens Basketball, but maybe not?

The Department of Education under the previous administration said that Title IX does apply to the NIL Settlement and that the money should go proportionally to male and female athletes, but that guidance was reversed by the new administration. I'd guess that this is yet another question that will be resolved by the courts at some point in the future.

Hoping Marah and Natalie don't get caught in the confusion, could easily see a situation where a mid-major promises money, but then finds out they don't need to meet Title IX and pulls it back.

I'd guess that the opposite is the more likely outcome, that they and other female athletes end up getting more than they thought they would if the courts rule in favor of proportional distribution of the money by gender.

[tetoncat]

Do we know how much/if Title IX will factor in to House Settlement/NIL payments?

I have read conflicting information on this, the most recent indicating maybe they don't. I had thought there would be significantly less money to go around once you got outside of the top 15-20 programs in Womens Basketball, but maybe not?

The Department of Education under the previous administration said that Title IX does apply to the NIL Settlement and that the money should go proportionally to male and female athletes, but that guidance was reversed by the new administration. I'd guess that this is yet another question that will be resolved by the courts at some point in the future.

Hoping Marah and Natalie don't get caught in the confusion, could easily see a situation where a mid-major promises money, but then finds out they don't need to meet Title IX and pulls it back.

I'd guess that the opposite is the more likely outcome, that they and other female athletes end up getting more than they thought they would if the courts rule in favor of proportional distribution of the money by gender.

Interesting. Since NIL should be tied to recognition of the athlete and the money they help the University earn, it doesn't seem like something that should be proportional. It is more sport and individual specific.

[MSU01]

Do we know how much/if Title IX will factor in to House Settlement/NIL payments?

I have read conflicting information on this, the most recent indicating maybe they don't. I had thought there would be significantly less money to go around once you got outside of the top 15-20 programs in Womens Basketball, but maybe not?

The Department of Education under the previous administration said that Title IX does apply to the NIL Settlement and that the money should go proportionally to male and female athletes, but that guidance was reversed by the new administration. I'd guess that this is yet another question that will be resolved by the courts at some point in the future.

Hoping Marah and Natalie don't get caught in the confusion, could easily see a situation where a mid-major promises money, but then finds out they don't need to meet Title IX and pulls it back.

I'd guess that the opposite is the more likely outcome, that they and other female athletes end up getting more than they thought they would if the courts rule in favor of proportional distribution of the money by gender.

Interesting. Since NIL should be tied to recognition of the athlete and the money they help the University earn, it doesn't seem like something that should be proportional. It is more sport and individual specific.

I think that's the argument, whether Title IX also applies to NIL payments or if that kind of compensation falls outside of Title IX and can be awarded however the university chooses to distribute it. The Biden Department of Education had the former view of it and the Trump DoE has the latter view, so I'm sure there will be litigation and plenty of legal arguments made about exactly if and how Title IX applies.

[Bobcat4Ever]

Do we know how much/if Title IX will factor in to House Settlement/NIL payments?

I have read conflicting information on this, the most recent indicating maybe they don't. I had thought there would be significantly less money to go around once you got outside of the top 15-20 programs in Womens Basketball, but maybe not?

The Department of Education under the previous administration said that Title IX does apply to the NIL Settlement and that the money should go proportionally to male and female athletes, but that guidance was reversed by the new administration. I'd guess that this is yet another question that will be resolved by the courts at some point in the future.

Hoping Marah and Natalie don't get caught in the confusion, could easily see a situation where a mid-major promises money, but then finds out they don't need to meet Title IX and pulls it back.

I'd guess that the opposite is the more likely outcome, that they and other female athletes end up getting more than they thought they would if the courts rule in favor of proportional distribution of the money by gender.

Interesting. Since NIL should be tied to recognition of the athlete and the money they help the University earn, it doesn't seem like something that should be proportional. It is more sport and individual specific.

You grabbed the words right off my keyboard. The entire concept of NIL is that the organizations were profiting from something that, by its very nature and definition, is personal. That was the single lever that allowed NIL to win and flourish.

To somehow say that a person uses their face to earn uniquely personal money, and then returns from the photo shoot and hands the check to Mr. Treasurer who takes a 30% fee off the top, and chops it into tidbits to be distributed via some paper formula is simply the antithesis of the meaning “personal.”

It’s no surprise that to one administration that made sense, and that the next one would throw it into the idea-shredder.

The whole NIL exercise is just about NULL anyway, as simply ponying up money to pay for various players or positions pretty much removes the need for the NIL determination.

It was stated that a certain Bobcat may have been getting perhaps approximately, about, in-the-neighborhood, of around $20K, give or take, more or less. Can anyone tell me, without breaking omertà or otherwise endangering themself, what any Bobcat athlete has been doing to earn that kind of money by marketing their NIL? Other than a few R-Bar commercials and a hoodie or two?

[Nickisch]

Agree lutecat. Can’t figure it out but it’s water under the bridge now.

Without going into too much detail, I can say that issues with teammates does not seem to be the issue with Natalie entering the portal.

[JohnGotti]

I didn’t think it was issues with teammates.

[JimboCat]

[BLACKnBLUEnGOLD]

Professional leagues have more control than college.

Professional teams exercise control over player movement by offering significant, guaranteed financial commitments over multiple years. Imagine that.

[MSU01]

I had forgotten that NIL money really isn't a thing for International players like Marah and Natalie. Sounds like Marah wants to test herself at a higher level of competition, which makes sense even if our biased fan viewpoints don't like the decision!

[tetoncat]

Professional leagues have more control than college.

Professional teams exercise control over player movement by offering significant, guaranteed financial commitments over multiple years. Imagine that.

WNBA best players earn less than 80,000 a year from the team as rookies. And while first contracts are guaranteed not all are after that. Players have negotiated that over time and while it is good to a point there are major flaws. 35 year old QB past their prime gets huge guaranteed money, gets hurt, and is done, team keeps paying. Works as long as TV revenue keeps going up and franchise values increase.

[4KornerKat]

I had forgotten that NIL money really isn't a thing for International players like Marah and Natalie. Sounds like Marah wants to test herself at a higher level of competition, which makes sense even if our biased fan viewpoints don't like the decision!

I thought Great Osobor got a bit NIL deal at UW, is he not considered an international player? Is it a Canada thing?

[SACCAT]

I had forgotten that NIL money really isn't a thing for International players like Marah and Natalie. Sounds like Marah wants to test herself at a higher level of competition, which makes sense even if our biased fan viewpoints don't like the decision!

Well... That's not entirely true. International players can receive "NIL" but it is just a different process.

[TIrwin24]

Once a Cat, always a Cat.

Except when another school can pay you more.

[SACCAT]

Once a Cat, always a Cat.

Except when another school can pay you more.

Nope... Still always a Cat.

[The Butcher]

Once a Cat, always a Cat.

Except when another school can pay you more.

Yep...

[JohnGotti]

What I don’t understand is the NIL. For example is it year to year where a player can seek higher each year at a different school. Like Osobar for example. Do they sign yearly contracts or multi year? Please let me know. Thanks

[lutecat]

Sounds like this was fully discussed with coaches. The meeting ended with a group hug, she said. I don't fault a person to want to challenge themselves. And honestly I relate too. Its disappointing for us but i have no animosity for someone wanting a bigger challenge.

[MSU01]

What I don’t understand is the NIL. For example is it year to year where a player can seek higher each year at a different school. Like Osobar for example. Do they sign yearly contracts or multi year? Please let me know. Thanks

I think it could be either, especially for NIL deals signed between players and outside entities. It's also important to remember that NIL deals aren't necessarily tied to one school. For example, let's say Player X signs a NIL deal with Company Y to appear in TV ads but then transfers to School Z. The NIL deal isn't automatically cancelled because of the transfer if Company Y still wants to use that player in their advertising. This would likely apply more to the top players who might be known nationally as opposed to in one small area where their college is located.

[snarf]

What I don’t understand is the NIL. For example is it year to year where a player can seek higher each year at a different school. Like Osobar for example. Do they sign yearly contracts or multi year? Please let me know. Thanks

I think it could be either, especially for NIL deals signed between players and outside entities. It's also important to remember that NIL deals aren't necessarily tied to one school. For example, let's say Player X signs a NIL deal with Company Y to appear in TV ads but then transfers to School Z. The NIL deal isn't automatically cancelled because of the transfer if Company Y still wants to use that player in their advertising. This would likely apply more to the top players who might be known nationally as opposed to in one small area where their college is located.

A slightly rambling thought:

Current reporting and/or understanding of the financial side of these students' deals is woefully imprecise. The term NIL gets put in a lot of articles but may not be the proper term to use, especially with the House settlement coming down the pike. Honestly, I think that for a lot of the athletes, they are not being given information to adequately compare apples to apples. Semantically, as well as practically, the meaning of terms like compensation, institutional support, revenue sharing and NIL are not interchangeable (though they often are used in place of each other). Exactly to the point that you made, NIL deals are separate from what a school is offering and can have any sort of contractual obligations or stipulations, or lack thereof. They also have different tax ramifications that things that would fall under the category of institutional support do not have.

[SACCAT]

What I don’t understand is the NIL. For example is it year to year where a player can seek higher each year at a different school. Like Osobar for example. Do they sign yearly contracts or multi year? Please let me know. Thanks

I think it could be either, especially for NIL deals signed between players and outside entities. It's also important to remember that NIL deals aren't necessarily tied to one school. For example, let's say Player X signs a NIL deal with Company Y to appear in TV ads but then transfers to School Z. The NIL deal isn't automatically cancelled because of the transfer if Company Y still wants to use that player in their advertising. This would likely apply more to the top players who might be known nationally as opposed to in one small area where their college is located.

"NIL" Has about 100 different ways to work... Say you are a Restaurant Supply store in Bozeman Montana. You can join the local NIL (Bobcats Collective) and go through them. You can also just contact the Players yourselves, and sign them to deals. Those deals could be "We will give you ____ amount for the commercial, and ______ for every Social Media post.