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Re: MSU gets swept

Post by Colter_Nuanez » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:46 pm

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John K wrote:I guess my point is that the women have stumbled in the 2nd half of conference play for three straight years now, just like the men have been doing throughout Huse's tenure (although the women's slides haven't been quite as drastic, at least up until this season). Yet while Huse has been the subject of much criticism, with many fans feeling that he should be fired at the end of the season, it seems like the fans have given Binford a pass. People have cited a couple of reasons for the women's struggles, and those reasons may very well be valid. But regardless of the reasons, it's alarming when teams consistently start out strong, but then fall apart during the 2nd time through the conference schedule. Are we not recruiting the right type of players? Most fans seem to think that Binford has done a good job of recruiting, and that we have plenty of talent on the roster. Yet, people have been posting that we arent' physical enough, and don't have any good shooters. So tell me, if our players aren't physical and can't shoot, what exactly is it that makes them so talented then? It must be that either our talent is overrated, or that the coaching staff isn't doing a very good job of gettng the most out of the players, i.e. playing a style of ball that emphasizes their strengths and minimizes their weaknesses.
In 21st-century Division I basketball, THE most important component to being a D-1 player if you are a man is having Division I athleticism. Everything else follows, but even in mid-major D-1, you must be a Division I caliber athlete if you want to compete.

On the women's side, THE most important factor is being a D-1 caliber competitor. Everything else follows.
Notice how neither of these says anything about being a D-1 caliber SHOOTER. That's a huge part of the problem in all levels of amateur basketball right now is that kids aren't working on shooting the ball (other than from behind the arc). I was watching some hoops this weekend, and Jimmy Dykes alluded to this when asked why scoring is down in CBB. He said part of it is the football-mentality they use on defense now, preaching athleticism over shooting ability, etc.
Ding, ding, ding....we have a winner. You hit it right on the head. In my mind, there's been a bunch of kids who had Division I fundamentals from Montana who were passed over by in-state programs, particularly on the men's side, because they weren't prototypical Division I athletes.

I think another thing that has had a profound effect on college basketball is that losing doesn't hurt as much to this generation of players. It used to be you played your high school season with people you'd played with most of your life. Now, you play on various club teams and in AAU ball. You might play four games in a day. How bad does it hurt when you know you play again in an hour? How bad does it hurt to lose to someone who you are on a different club team with?

The pain of defeat doesn't resonate as much because it becomes entrenched.



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Re: MSU gets swept

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John K wrote:I guess my point is that the women have stumbled in the 2nd half of conference play for three straight years now, just like the men have been doing throughout Huse's tenure (although the women's slides haven't been quite as drastic, at least up until this season). Yet while Huse has been the subject of much criticism, with many fans feeling that he should be fired at the end of the season, it seems like the fans have given Binford a pass. People have cited a couple of reasons for the women's struggles, and those reasons may very well be valid. But regardless of the reasons, it's alarming when teams consistently start out strong, but then fall apart during the 2nd time through the conference schedule. Are we not recruiting the right type of players? Most fans seem to think that Binford has done a good job of recruiting, and that we have plenty of talent on the roster. Yet, people have been posting that we arent' physical enough, and don't have any good shooters. So tell me, if our players aren't physical and can't shoot, what exactly is it that makes them so talented then? It must be that either our talent is overrated, or that the coaching staff isn't doing a very good job of gettng the most out of the players, i.e. playing a style of ball that emphasizes their strengths and minimizes their weaknesses.
In 21st-century Division I basketball, THE most important component to being a D-1 player if you are a man is having Division I athleticism. Everything else follows, but even in mid-major D-1, you must be a Division I caliber athlete if you want to compete.

On the women's side, THE most important factor is being a D-1 caliber competitor. Everything else follows.
Notice how neither of these says anything about being a D-1 caliber SHOOTER. That's a huge part of the problem in all levels of amateur basketball right now is that kids aren't working on shooting the ball (other than from behind the arc). I was watching some hoops this weekend, and Jimmy Dykes alluded to this when asked why scoring is down in CBB. He said part of it is the football-mentality they use on defense now, preaching athleticism over shooting ability, etc.
Ding, ding, ding....we have a winner. You hit it right on the head. In my mind, there's been a bunch of kids who had Division I fundamentals from Montana who were passed over by in-state programs, particularly on the men's side, because they weren't prototypical Division I athletes.

I think another thing that has had a profound effect on college basketball is that losing doesn't hurt as much to this generation of players. It used to be you played your high school season with people you'd played with most of your life. Now, you play on various club teams and in AAU ball. You might play four games in a day. How bad does it hurt when you know you play again in an hour? How bad does it hurt to lose to someone who you are on a different club team with?

The pain of defeat doesn't resonate as much because it becomes entrenched.
:goodpost: Or because every kid here grew up in the "look at me" era of pro sports - we called LeBron James "King" when he was in high school, deserved or not. (Not getting into that debate). As Colter said, it's an AAU/play all the time/play frienemies culture. Athleticism and streetball style are emphasized and fundamentals, especially shooting fundamentals, are not.


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Re: MSU gets swept

Post by Helcat72 » Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:45 pm

I agree with all of the above. I think we have recruited some good athletes on the women's team....but we went too far toward the athletic side of recruiting and away from the shooting side. I think the coaches feel that shooting will come along naturally....but when your shooting positions Guards, small forwards, wings, are mostly underclassmen there is a void in that natural progression if it happens at all.


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Re: MSU gets swept

Post by ilovethecats » Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:56 pm

i'm not going to necessarily going to disagree with the above, but it hardly touches on the issue with the cats. topics like these are always slippery because there is so much speculation. when you add in all the "back in my day" talk things really get confusing. i remember in the 80's watching basketball and listening to my grandpa and uncle arguing because the game had changed so much since my grnadpa was young. he hated the "run and gun" crap and thought showtime was just flashy and disrespectful. in the 90's we got to listen to "old timers" complain that the game had become nothing more than flashy crossovers and 3-point shooting. now we listen to old guys saying that the nba isn't watchable because it's nothing but a bunch of huge athletic guys that couldn't put the ball in the ocean like they "used to be able to". basically, bird was NEVER as good as dr. j. stockton was never the guard magic was. kobe couldn't hold jordans jock. and the starts of today could NEVER be as good as the guys I used to watch growing up back in the day....

even if all these claims are true. even if players today are so much less skilled than the guys in "my" day because they care more about slam dunks, jewelry, and shoe deals than fundamental basketball. it still doesn't explain why the cats are so crappy in basketball year after year. and it definitely doesn't explain why the griz are becoming a powerhouse big sky program while the cats haven't even hosted the tourney in a decade and made the dance in almost two decades. the game is changing for sure. i'll agree with that. but it's changing everywhere and the basics have not chnaged. you still need to be able to score and especially defend. you need size and anymore, athleticism. and despite what some think...you still need shooters. for one reason or another all the other teams are managing to get these kinds of players while still adjusting to the evolution of the game.

in a nutshell...it doesn't matter how much the game of basketball changes over the years. i don't care if we start seeing 8 foot guys shooting on a 12 foot hoop. the playing field is level and you need to create a roster of players that can compete with other teams in your conference who are also adjusting to the evolution of the game. but the sad truth is the cats are doing this worse than almost every one of our conference foes....and they do it year after year after year after year.

i have YET to hear of a legitimate reason/excuse for the cats program being so bad year after year while other programs in the conference, and especially our in-state foe excels at the same rate we seem to digress... :shrug:



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Re: MSU gets swept

Post by BelgradeBobcat » Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:58 pm

I blame rat ball. All summer long kids play 5 on 5 either in sanctioned games of one form or another or just in the gym. They develop nothing but bad habits doing this and defense is completely forgotten. Nobody works on their individual game, nobody locks themselves in a gym and shoots hundreds of jumpers on their own.

Bring back Jimmy Chitwood, a hoop and a dirt court. Shoot, shoot, shoot.



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Re: MSU gets swept

Post by ilovethecats » Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:01 pm

BelgradeBobcat wrote:I blame rat ball. All summer long kids play 5 on 5 either in sanctioned games of one form or another or just in the gym. They develop nothing but bad habits doing this and defense is completely forgotten. Nobody works on their individual game, nobody locks themselves in a gym and shoots hundreds of jumpers on their own.

Bring back Jimmy Chitwood, a hoop and a dirt court. Shoot, shoot, shoot.
and again...while even if i agree that this is hurting the game...it should be hurting everyone. guys at duke play ratball all summer. i know guys at weber and um play ratball in the summer. you won't find a school where guys aren't playing ratball all summer. but i know for a fact that they are doing individual stuff with the staff too. it goes far beyond this in my opinion.



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Post by BelgradeBobcat » Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:32 pm

I have no real idea...but what the heck here goes: Why does MSU suck at men's basketball (I going to focus on the men for now):

1. Coaching. MSU hasn't had a head coach move on to a bigger program since Ott Romney in the 20's. Starner took a lateral move after his sabbatical, Hulst (I think) Haroldson, and Durham went to D-2 schools after their tenure at MSU. We haven't had our Heathcoat or Montgomery-not even close. A coaching tree can really make a program. Our football team had that in the 60's and 70's.

2. Recruiting. MSU has never had a player in the NBA. In my lifetime I think the only guy to get a sniff was Domako. More recently we barely get any all Big Sky players. Howard was the last one and they've been few and far between.

3. Facility. I don't know how much of a factor this is, but we've seen what difference a facility upgrade can have in football. I've never been in Dahlberg Arena, but from the looks of it on TV it's nicer than the Worthington for basketball. Still, Worthington stacks up pretty well in the Big Sky.

4. Location. To out of state recruits Bozeman is a small little mountain town out in the wilderness. I don't know that Missoula is all that more cosmopoitan, but maybe being 200 miles closer to the west coast helps. All I know is the world is a much smaller place than it used to be so this should be less and less a factor (and maybe global warming will help us out here too! 8) )

5. System. Are we a run and gun program, a big man program, a shooters program? When Howland was at NAU they had the motto recruit to shoot-and man did they have the shooters go through there. UM has been known for their big guys (Tinkle and Krysko) and their zone defense. What is MSU known for? Bringing late signees from Junior Colleges who have been passed over by every other D-1 team in the country???

6. Budget. I know for a lot of the Durham years we were down an assistant coach to save money. Assistants help some in practice and on gamedays, but really they're there to recruit. The basketball program doesn't get the big recruiting $$$ from the boosters that football gets. That's just the way it is, but if we really want to succeed we have to cast a wide net, and we probably don't have the personnel to do it. The WCC schools for example always have a bunch of foreign players-and not guys who have come through US JC's. They send assistants to Europe and Australia-no way MSU can afford to do that with the current budget.

Those are some thoughts. Feel free to add or subtract.



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BelgradeBobcat wrote:I have no real idea...but what the heck here goes: Why does MSU suck at men's basketball (I going to focus on the men for now):

1. Coaching. MSU hasn't had a head coach move on to a bigger program since Ott Romney in the 20's. Starner took a lateral move after his sabbatical, Hulst (I think) Haroldson, and Durham went to D-2 schools after their tenure at MSU. We haven't had our Heathcoat or Montgomery-not even close. A coaching tree can really make a program. Our football team had that in the 60's and 70's.

2. Recruiting. MSU has never had a player in the NBA. In my lifetime I think the only guy to get a sniff was Domako. More recently we barely get any all Big Sky players. Howard was the last one and they've been few and far between.

3. Facility. I don't know how much of a factor this is, but we've seen what difference a facility upgrade can have in football. I've never been in Dahlberg Arena, but from the looks of it on TV it's nicer than the Worthington for basketball. Still, Worthington stacks up pretty well in the Big Sky.

4. Location. To out of state recruits Bozeman is a small little mountain town out in the wilderness. I don't know that Missoula is all that more cosmopoitan, but maybe being 200 miles closer to the west coast helps. All I know is the world is a much smaller place than it used to be so this should be less and less a factor (and maybe global warming will help us out here too! 8) )

5. System. Are we a run and gun program, a big man program, a shooters program? When Howland was at NAU they had the motto recruit to shoot-and man did they have the shooters go through there. UM has been known for their big guys (Tinkle and Krysko) and their zone defense. What is MSU known for? Bringing late signees from Junior Colleges who have been passed over by every other D-1 team in the country???

6. Budget. I know for a lot of the Durham years we were down an assistant coach to save money. Assistants help some in practice and on gamedays, but really they're there to recruit. The basketball program doesn't get the big recruiting $$$ from the boosters that football gets. That's just the way it is, but if we really want to succeed we have to cast a wide net, and we probably don't have the personnel to do it. The WCC schools for example always have a bunch of foreign players-and not guys who have come through US JC's. They send assistants to Europe and Australia-no way MSU can afford to do that with the current budget.

Those are some thoughts. Feel free to add or subtract.
awesome post! although i admit i had to take a break from reading it after your first line: " Why does MSU suck at men's basketball". didn't want to laugh but couldn't help it.

i think you offered some very good guesses of what the hell the issue here is.



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Re: MSU gets swept

Post by BelgradeBobcat » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:00 pm

This is kind of interesting: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1215 ... ching-jobs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The 10 worst major college basketball jobs. A couple fairly close to home on the list: Arizona State, Utah, and Washington State. Some schools throw money at their programs and can't get results, others are in the shadow of a big football program, and others have too much competition from pro teams in their area. I guess we're not the only one with issues.



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Post by Gidal Kaiser » Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:48 am

This has little to no bearing on the subject thread, but I thought I'd throw it here just cause if I started a "Time to Panic?" thread, BelgradeBobcat's response would be yes in 1,500-point font. ...
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Post by Old Skool Cat » Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:15 am

Haven't commented on the team in awhile, but some interesting points have been brought up that I really want to talk about. A couple posters have talked about shooting, and yes, I truly believe that's where it all should start and end. Isn't the primary objective to get the ball in the basket? When Dr. Naismith invented the game, I'm not sure he was ever thinking about four-high offenses, zone defenses, alley-oops, or theatrical moves on the floor. Shoot the ball -- put it in the basket.

I have coached girls basketball for quite some time now, and currently I have a 7th grade traveling team. I know, they are still very young, but are only less than two years away from high school and now's when they develop the skills needed to make the cut at their high school and become successful. Shooting is the number one thing they have problems with. Why? A couple reasons:

1) They don't want to work on it away from travel practice. Practice time is valuable, and it's where you need to implement and work on things like offensive & defensive sets, running the floor, in-bounds plays, moving and screening away from the ball, etc. Great shooters are not made in practice; rather, they are made in the hours and hours away from team practice in the gym or at home shooting and shooting. I'm not going to say that all kids don't work on that, because I have seen the few dedicated ones that work at it. But it's not as prevalent as it used to be. Kids don't want to shoot, they want to play a game. Think of it the same way that most of us golf hacks are -- we don't want to spend our time on the practice range; we would rather play a round. And then we wonder why the double bogies and "others" keep popping up on our card with such regularity. And I think the same can be said of all sports; our culture has moved to the point where we need someone to push us, rather than take the incentive to work on it ourselves. We have to have a coach, or a personal trainer to get motivated.
2) They all want to shoot the three-ball. Every day in practice I try to emphasize, "Take shots in practice that you would take in the game!" But yet when you see them warming up before practice, there they all are -- standing behind the arc and flailing away. Drives me nuts, but that's where the glory is. Watch the highlights on ESPN for college or pro -- it's either the dunk or the 3-ball. Nobody wants to shoot the 12-15 jumper, where's the fun in that? Fade-away pull-up jumper from the baseline? Nah, too hard so I don't want to work on that. I have developed a 5,000 shot routine that my girls are supposed to work on in the off-season (summer) and have their parents sign off on that indeed, the girls did work on it. It incorporates shots from all over the court (free-throws, Mikan drill, lay-ups, shots from the low box, shots from the elbow, base-line jumpers from 10-12 feet, etc.). Some girls work on it, others don't. And believe me, when b-ball season starts up, I can tell who put in the work and who didn't.
3) Other sports. We are in the day and age now of our kids have to be involved in everything that comes along. Basketball, soccer, volleyball, track, softball/baseball. Yes, we had multiple sports in my day and many multi-sport athletes. But today's sports are more involved. Traveling teams or club teams are all the rage. And that eats up a lot of the kids' time. For those kids that are involved in multiple sports, there's just not a lot of free time anymore to work on additional skills.

As for the ratball and playing against "frienemies", yeah there's probably some truth to that. But I can tell you my girls are down-right bummed after a loss. In fact, I think they play much better their next game after a loss. The one problem I see with the travel tournaments is that everyone is so focused on winning the tournament trophy rather than being focused on the next game. And if you lose a game and you're out of the running for the trophy, than the effort all-of-a-sudden goes down. Missoula has several tournaments that are one-day tournaments, no trophies, no champions. Just bring your team over and let's play ball; may the best team win. We play in several of those and our team effort is much better; quit focusing on the trophy and play one game at a time.

I completely agree with the statement that many colleges recruit athletes and not shooters. Just because someone is averaging 20+ points a game, that doesn't make them a shooter. Someone mentioned LeBron before and the whole "King" thing, and yeah, I don't agree with that. But LeBron is a shooter -- that's why he's the best player in the NBA and will be for a long time. Just look at his performance the other night against the Lakers -- 32 points on a night where he only took 18 shots!! It takes most guys in the NBA 30-40 shots attempts to score 30 points. LeBron is definitely proof that shooters will always rise to the top.


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Post by mslacatfan » Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:17 am

The mens baskeball program is an absolute joke. Has been for years. Only getting worse....

There is no reason the bbal program should not be as big/successful as the football program. Its probably not true, but I feel like the athletic department doesn't even care? Its like they focus all their attention/efforts on the football program and just give the bball team the "scraps left over".

What sucks is that there is no easy way to fix it. I think they need a new head coach, but even then it will take a while to build the program back up.


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Re: MSU gets swept

Post by BelgradeBobcat » Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:27 pm

Gidal Kaiser wrote:This has little to no bearing on the subject thread, but I thought I'd throw it here just cause if I started a "Time to Panic?" thread, BelgradeBobcat's response would be yes in 1,500-point font. ...
Nah...I can name that tune in 1,499 points. :lol:

So was Huse's interview on this subject sort of like this:
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Post by ilovethecats » Tue Feb 12, 2013 3:18 pm

mslacatfan wrote:The mens baskeball program is an absolute joke. Has been for years. Only getting worse....
i'm often pretty critical of this program but i wouldn't go this far as to say they are a joke. in fact, if they were truly a joke i think i would actually be less frustrated because i would always expect that we'd be at or near the bottom of the league. this is rarely the case. cats are often competitive and more times than not they start seasons off pretty well. i think our game against a very good griz team showed just how good this team is capable of being. i will agree that as a long time cat hoops fan...the program seems to be getting worse which is sad...

to be very optimistic i think we're closer than some might believe to being pretty good in the big sky. it all starts with huse. if he remains our coach he needs to figure out how to get good players here and STAY here. i won't speculate why our turnover is what it is but it simply must change if we hope to be competitive.

assuming we can get guys here to play for all for years i would like to see a small change in recruiting philosophy. we have gotten some good guards over the years but that seems to be mainly because we recruit 3 every year, and guys playing other positions leave every year leaving us with 6+ guards on the roster every year! :wink:

seriously though i would like us to really target a good big man to give us a defensive presence down low. we seem to lack that year after year. and we simply need to find 1 or 2 pure shooters every year. i'm talking about guys that PREFER to shoot the ball rather than driving the lane. obviously your sprinkles, conways, and browns are few and far between. but we don't even seem to try. look around the league. nearly every team has a guy or two capable of shooting lights out. we used to target those guys but don't seem to anymore. and if we do, and they come, they usually are gone after a season or two.

i realize this is very simplified. but overall i'm happy with our guard play. i love their tenacity guarding the ball. and i like their decision making. but we struggle with team defense and that is mainly due to our lack of size low. we also lack communication and struggle with screens and it's safe to say opponents will get a ton of wide open looks against us. the exact opposite of what we get on offense. we are very athletic but don't have a pure big man to play inside out with. and evenb if we had that guy, we don't have the shooters around the perimeter to hit down open shots.

i truly believe that if we can fill these two positions and huse can change whatever he needs to change to get players to WANT to play for him we could be a good team in this league. time will tell to see if huse even gets the chance one more time...



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Post by Colter_Nuanez » Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:37 pm

TWO-FACED: MSU women look to find first-half identity against Idaho State on Thursday
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Post by aucat » Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:31 pm

Good article by Colter. When MSU Billings whipped the Lady Cats, I went on record as saying that either MSU-B belonged in the Big Sky or the Lady Cats were a lower tier BSC team. I was hoping it was the former, but the fact is, MSU-B had better and stronger players. Strange for a lower division school not far from the "Big girls."

If you can't shoot the basketball, it is really tough to win. I don't know how you coach shooting. Seems to me that has more to do with recruiting.



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aucat wrote:Good article by Colter. When MSU Billings whipped the Lady Cats, I went on record as saying that either MSU-B belonged in the Big Sky or the Lady Cats were a lower tier BSC team. I was hoping it was the former, but the fact is, MSU-B had better and stronger players. Strange for a lower division school not far from the "Big girls."

If you can't shoot the basketball, it is really tough to win. I don't know how you coach shooting. Seems to me that has more to do with recruiting.

So I take it that all the BSC teams got better and stronger after the women beat them the first time around ?


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Post by Colter_Nuanez » Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:58 am

CRUISIN' DOWN I-15: MSU men hit the road
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Hawks86 wrote:
aucat wrote:Good article by Colter. When MSU Billings whipped the Lady Cats, I went on record as saying that either MSU-B belonged in the Big Sky or the Lady Cats were a lower tier BSC team. I was hoping it was the former, but the fact is, MSU-B had better and stronger players. Strange for a lower division school not far from the "Big girls."

If you can't shoot the basketball, it is really tough to win. I don't know how you coach shooting. Seems to me that has more to do with recruiting.

So I take it that all the BSC teams got better and stronger after the women beat them the first time around ?
That's the $64 question, isn't it?? Just WHAT did happen to the team that was 8 -1, sitting all alone at the top of the BSC?? Maybe hoops is a bit like golf. You can be going along hitting it down the middle, sinking all of those 3 and 4 footers, and suddenly you lose confidence in your swing and your putting stroke and your game goes to hell. You even par after the first five holes and then shoot four straight double bogies. It seems to me that the ladies have lost all confidence in their ability to shoot from outside, so everyone is simply collapsing on our post players. I think there has also been a serious loss in chemistry, which concerns me the most. THe season may be over as far as any hope of winning the BSC is concerned, or even making a run in the tournament, but for the sake of the future of the program, I certainly hope that the team can somehow break out of this slump and end the season on a positive note.

Going forward though, Coach Bin had better be pounding the recruiting trail to find some big physical post players and some ladies who can flat out shoot!



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Re: MSU gets swept

Post by wapiti » Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:17 am

Having players that can shoot is important, but the other thing the men seem to lack is handling the dribble in tight coverage.
I have not watched much of the ladies games, but with the mens we need a few more players who can handle the dribble in tight coverage or in a crowd.
Colbert and Moon do a decent job of this, but it seems the rest of the team struggles to handle the ball when defense is tight or are in a crowd of players.



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