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Re: MBB vs Northern Colorado

Post by MSU01 » Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:13 pm

I will wait until they lose some more games with Davis & Egwuonwu back in the lineup before writing MSU off for the season, but surely you have to be able to do better than allow 36 points in the last 10 minutes against UND followed by 72% shooting in the second half for UNC. This is just so discouraging year after year after year, whatever the reason for it happening.



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Re: MBB vs Northern Colorado

Post by snowcat » Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:20 pm

Proud of Blake Brumwell given the lack of confidence in him on this board. Biglow scored it well but turnovers negated most of that. Colbert underused in my opinion 5 PTs, 3 rebounds, 3 assists and no turnovers. X and Moon played well. Bottom line you put Paul and Flavian back in the mix and MSU beats both UND and UNC.



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Re: MBB vs Northern Colorado

Post by grizzh8r » Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:27 pm

snowcat wrote:Proud of Blake Brumwell given the lack of confidence in him on this board. Biglow scored it well but turnovers negated most of that. Colbert underused in my opinion 5 PTs, 3 rebounds, 3 assists and no turnovers. X and Moon played well. Bottom line you put Paul and Flavian back in the mix and MSU beats both UND and UNC.
I concur on all accounts.

I haven't read anything negative on Brumwell on this board. Did I miss something?


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Re: MBB vs Northern Colorado

Post by snowcat » Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:00 pm

Shouldn't have said this particular board. Just seems on different strings that I have read he hasn't gotten alot of love, but with that said he hasn't gotten much opportuniy either. Thought Blake did great this week when the opportunity presented itself which I think is huge going down the stretch, having two bigs with some confidence could be huge for the bobcats in my opinion.



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Re: MBB vs Northern Colorado

Post by Colter_Nuanez » Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:07 pm

snowcat wrote:Shouldn't have said this particular board. Just seems on different strings that I have read he hasn't gotten alot of love, but with that said he hasn't gotten much opportuniy either. Thought Blake did great this week when the opportunity presented itself which I think is huge going down the stretch, having two bigs with some confidence could be huge for the bobcats in my opinion.
Blake Brumwell was 6-of-6 from the field tonight. He showed deft post moves as well as good agility in rolling in the pick and roll. For the weekend, he was 13-of-15 from the field. He made five more field goals over the weekend than he had all season. He scored 14 points each game, giving him four more points this weekend then all of this winter.

There's no doubt he's the fan favorite. Each time he does anything, he gets a nice cheer.



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Re: MBB vs Northern Colorado

Post by Colter_Nuanez » Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:57 pm

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Re: MBB vs Northern Colorado

Post by TomCat88 » Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:49 am

I'm not downright giddy about the weekend's games, but I still think MSU is a strong contender for the tournament title. They lost two w/o two starters, but it took some incredible shooting to do it. Hitting shots (just like getting hits in baseball) is contagious and MSU was on the wrong end of it two nights in a row. It won't continue. When MSU gave UM all it could handle and then dropped WSU, it didn't shoot exceedingly well or have anything out of the ordinary break their way. I'd rather have the ability to beat good teams on just an average night than have to count on hot shooting to get a win.


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Re: MBB vs Northern Colorado

Post by Colter_Nuanez » Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:02 pm

TomCat88 wrote:I'm not downright giddy about the weekend's games, but I still think MSU is a strong contender for the tournament title. They lost two w/o two starters, but it took some incredible shooting to do it. Hitting shots (just like getting hits in baseball) is contagious and MSU was on the wrong end of it two nights in a row. It won't continue. When MSU gave UM all it could handle and then dropped WSU, it didn't shoot exceedingly well or have anything out of the ordinary break their way. I'd rather have the ability to beat good teams on just an average night than have to count on hot shooting to get a win.
The difference is, against Montana and Weber State, both teams played into Montana State's hands, letting the Bobcats dictate the style and pace of the game. Northern Colorado and North Dakota controlled the weekend from the opening tip.

Granted, that had a lot to do with MSU being short-handed. But MSU needs to consistently dictate the game. While I agree shots are often contagious, it's not hard to knock down WIDE OPEN 17-footers off high ball screens all night. On Saturday, MSU was so concerned with not leading Tate Unruh alone — he still hit three 3s and scored 15 points — they let Tevin Svihovec do absolutely whatever he wanted. He took maybe 3 contested shots.



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Re: MBB vs Northern Colorado

Post by BelgradeBobcat » Sun Feb 10, 2013 2:18 pm

Colter_Nuanez wrote:[ But MSU needs to consistently dictate the game.
I think it can summed thusly: If plan A isn't working keep doing it, because there's never a plan B.



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Re: MBB vs Northern Colorado

Post by Helcat72 » Sun Feb 10, 2013 4:27 pm

Colter_Nuanez wrote:
TomCat88 wrote:I'm not downright giddy about the weekend's games, but I still think MSU is a strong contender for the tournament title. They lost two w/o two starters, but it took some incredible shooting to do it. Hitting shots (just like getting hits in baseball) is contagious and MSU was on the wrong end of it two nights in a row. It won't continue. When MSU gave UM all it could handle and then dropped WSU, it didn't shoot exceedingly well or have anything out of the ordinary break their way. I'd rather have the ability to beat good teams on just an average night than have to count on hot shooting to get a win.
The difference is, against Montana and Weber State, both teams played into Montana State's hands, letting the Bobcats dictate the style and pace of the game. Northern Colorado and North Dakota controlled the weekend from the opening tip.

Granted, that had a lot to do with MSU being short-handed. But MSU needs to consistently dictate the game. While I agree shots are often contagious, it's not hard to knock down WIDE OPEN 17-footers off high ball screens all night. On Saturday, MSU was so concerned with not leading Tate Unruh alone — he still hit three 3s and scored 15 points — they let Tevin Svihovec do absolutely whatever he wanted. He took maybe 3 contested shots.
the thing is...if you have to drop guards down in the paint to help underneath....then the sharp shooters make you pay. I don't think that leaving Svihovec alone was because of poor defense as much as it was because of inequality in defensive post presence. I think with everyone back we will not have a usual February swoon. If we keep getting injured and having absent players then we will have an unusual February swoon!


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Re: MBB vs Northern Colorado

Post by TomCat88 » Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:33 pm

Colter_Nuanez wrote:
TomCat88 wrote:I'm not downright giddy about the weekend's games, but I still think MSU is a strong contender for the tournament title. They lost two w/o two starters, but it took some incredible shooting to do it. Hitting shots (just like getting hits in baseball) is contagious and MSU was on the wrong end of it two nights in a row. It won't continue. When MSU gave UM all it could handle and then dropped WSU, it didn't shoot exceedingly well or have anything out of the ordinary break their way. I'd rather have the ability to beat good teams on just an average night than have to count on hot shooting to get a win.
The difference is, against Montana and Weber State, both teams played into Montana State's hands, letting the Bobcats dictate the style and pace of the game. Northern Colorado and North Dakota controlled the weekend from the opening tip.

Granted, that had a lot to do with MSU being short-handed. But MSU needs to consistently dictate the game. While I agree shots are often contagious, it's not hard to knock down WIDE OPEN 17-footers off high ball screens all night. On Saturday, MSU was so concerned with not leading Tate Unruh alone — he still hit three 3s and scored 15 points — they let Tevin Svihovec do absolutely whatever he wanted. He took maybe 3 contested shots.
Yeah, that's basically what I'm saying. MSU is good enough to dictate the game even when playing high-end BSC teams like UM and WSU. I'd rather be able to do that than just hope we get hot from the field or that the other team has a bad game. They have to learn to believe in that, aka learn to win. That's the big difference between the teams with talent. Some have already learned to win, others are still learning. MSU is still learning. Likewise, you can learn to lose (see Mike Tyson).


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Re: MBB vs Northern Colorado

Post by defensivearts » Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:01 pm

First I will admit i am no bball expert, but when MSU is forced to play without their two best rebounders and big defenders why don't they press and try to turn the game into a wide open track meet? One thing MSU does have is a group of athletes at guard/wing who can run: Biglow, Dison, Colbet, Moon and Blount. But as someone else wrote, we just don't change the game plan no matter what. Also, what I find interesting is that MSU consistently lets visiting teams come in and shoot the lights out. Is that because we are poor defenders? Part of it may be that Brick Breeden may be the most hospitable road atmosphere found anywhere in the country. The fans are so far away from the court it feels like you are shooting in an abandoned warehouse... Yet, that calm environment seems to do little to improve MSU's shooting fortunes.



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Re: MBB vs Northern Colorado

Post by Helcat72 » Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:35 pm

We don't have enough depth to press the whole game and run. We have enough guards...but not enough forwards


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