MBB at UC Riverside

[BelgradeBobcat]

Now we're throwing rocks at the basket. How can a team change from good to bad so fast. Geez. And they're still getting all the calls of course.
Non-conference doesn't matter...non-conference doesn't matter, etc. etc.

All they have to do is show up to Boise in March and win three games. What seed are you? Who cares! Worked last year.

Yep. And I think this is the type of team that could do just that.

[HighPlainsBobcat]

I think I remember last year, maybe Griz 1.0, Logie admitted that the coaching staff needed to get over their own tendencies. I don’t care if it’s non-conference or not. Better yet, let’s all learn our lessons early on so we can go into conference firing on all cylinders.

Logie didn’t coach enough in the 2nd half.

[technoCat]

Are we ever going to get more FTs than the other team. Tired of one guy on the other team doubling our attempts every game.

[HighPlainsBobcat]

MSU has 20 points in the second half and 18 are by Walker. That won't win many games.

Agbonkpolo has completely disappeared.

Walker ate up too many possessions to start the 2nd half. Max and the rest of the team were flowing when they didn’t have Walker holding the ball at the top of the key and killing the ball movement.
Defensive post pressure was also better with Kolly and Chika on the floor

Yeah, definitely Walker's fault. He should have gotten his teammates more involved who have been throwing up absolute bricks all half.

Desert isn’t wrong. You’ll notice after he went in his heater, he sat for a few. Then AND ONLY THEN did he start distributing the ball.

[Desert_Bobcat]

I really question the coaching decision to not take a timeout sometime during the first 5 or 6 minutes of the second half as UCR went on their run. You have to take a timeout to try to stop the momentum and to reset your defense. You just have to..

[BelgradeBobcat]

Agbonkpolo hits a three with 1.1 seconds left so we're down 1...because a possession ago he missed the front end of a 1 and 1.
Non-conference doesn't matter. Let's watch football.

[Desert_Bobcat]

MSU has 20 points in the second half and 18 are by Walker. That won't win many games.

Agbonkpolo has completely disappeared.

Walker ate up too many possessions to start the 2nd half. Max and the rest of the team were flowing when they didn’t have Walker holding the ball at the top of the key and killing the ball movement.
Defensive post pressure was also better with Kolly and Chika on the floor

Yeah, definitely Walker's fault. He should have gotten his teammates more involved who have been throwing up absolute bricks all half.

You see.. the thing is Walker clogs the paint and the middle of the floor so bad that the only option is jack bad shots. Cats went on their run to end the 1st half with Walker on the bench and Chika setting screens setting guys up for drives and wide open one-dribble pull ups. Quality shots. The product was pretty to watch. When Brandon is on the floor the product is clunky and disjointed. He’s a great talent, just not my brand of basketball

[Cats92]

Rough loss. I really thought they had it figured out going into half time but went cold and UCR couldn’t miss the first 10 minutes of the second half.

[Desert_Bobcat]

MSU has 20 points in the second half and 18 are by Walker. That won't win many games.

Agbonkpolo has completely disappeared.

Walker ate up too many possessions to start the 2nd half. Max and the rest of the team were flowing when they didn’t have Walker holding the ball at the top of the key and killing the ball movement.
Defensive post pressure was also better with Kolly and Chika on the floor

Yeah, definitely Walker's fault. He should have gotten his teammates more involved who have been throwing up absolute bricks all half.

If anything Walker appears to be trying to move the ball more than he ever did last year. We are definitely watching 2 different games.

After he holds the ball at the top of the key and kills all the ball movement. Yes, he has looked to pass more and his assist numbers are up. However, he needs to be able to move the ball quicker and more importantly he needs to be able to move off the ball and become a better screener. None of those things he does very well. Again, he’s a good scorer, I just wish he stepped up his game to become a more well-rounded basketball player.

[MSU01]

I really question the coaching decision to not take a timeout sometime during the first 5 or 6 minutes of the second half as UCR went on their run. You have to take a timeout to try to stop the momentum and to reset your defense. You just have to..

Agree completely there, you could just see the run coming from a mile away as there was that super long stretch without a whistle and the Bobcats were clearly out of position and gassed on defense.

[Bobcat4Ever]

I was thinking about “rebounds” during the game, and watching who was doing what. It’s my humble conclusion that things have changed. The three-point shot contributes a very significant number of shot attempts, and due to sub-40% shooting, a large number of missed shots. There are now “rebounds”, from layups and all manner of paint-area inventions, kind of a null space where mid-range jumpers used to come from, and “caroms” which come from many missed three-point attempts. The strategy for corralling a “rebound” or a “carom” can be very different. If you’re boxing out in the paint, and a “carom” from a 22-foot three-pointer goes over 3-6 feet above your vertical — whoa!!

It seems as though “rebounds and rebounding” and “caroms and caroming” are almost two different stats that require two different techniques.

From the strategy-wizards on this board, what change in techniques and strategies could a team employ to improve their results at grabbing both rebounds and caroms? They both can result in a new shot clock and a second chance, but a rebound may result in an immediate putback attempt while a carom will be useful in limiting break-aways by the defense.

Food for thought.

[4KornerKat]

MSU has 20 points in the second half and 18 are by Walker. That won't win many games.

Agbonkpolo has completely disappeared.

Walker ate up too many possessions to start the 2nd half. Max and the rest of the team were flowing when they didn’t have Walker holding the ball at the top of the key and killing the ball movement.
Defensive post pressure was also better with Kolly and Chika on the floor

Yeah, definitely Walker's fault. He should have gotten his teammates more involved who have been throwing up absolute bricks all half.

If anything Walker appears to be trying to move the ball more than he ever did last year. We are definitely watching 2 different games.

After he holds the ball at the top of the key and kills all the ball movement. Yes, he has looked to pass more and his assist numbers are up. However, he needs to be able to move the ball quicker and more importantly he needs to be able to move off the ball and become a better screener. None of those things he does very well. Again, he’s a good scorer, I just wish he stepped up his game to become a more well-rounded basketball player.

Agree with this for the most part, but i did feel like there was a stretch in the first half where he was less of his usual self, making quick passes and a few good pick and roll plays. Maybe Logie is getting through to him.

[Cataholic]

Anybody know why Goracke and Lecholat are not getting more minutes?

[HighPlainsBobcat]

Anybody know why Goracke and Lecholat are not getting more minutes?

Pure speculation here, as I’m sure none of us that post here have the coaches ear!

If you’ve listened and read the preseason and early season prognosticating or statements from the staff, this years team is deep. Especially at the 3 & 4 position. Last year, Both Sam and Brian played lots of minutes at those spots, especially when conference season rolled around. Remember, we didn’t have Patty Mac and a couple of the bench players just didn’t measure up to the task. Sam even played quite a bit at the 5 when needed. And did so with reckless abandon! The stretch of game he put together after Grizz 1.0 were special.

Back to this year. With Patty Mac and also with the addition of MaxPolo, the 3-4 spot is crowded. I’m certain Logie didn’t sign MaxPolo to sit the bench. However, it’s “preseason” still if you will and they’re still figuring things out. Players of Brian and Sam’s caliber get used when they’re needed.

[gocats77]

Does anyone have any insight into why Patterson is starting and playing more than Goracke, especially when Patterson's stats are not impressive? He only has 17 rebounds in 12 games versus Goracke's 31 in 55 less minutes played. Patterson has not shot a free throw to this point and Goracke has made 9 0f 10. Goracke has made 5 more field goals overall while shooting slightly lower in FG percentage. 12 assists for Goracke to 4 for Patterson.........and on and on.

[HiLineCat]

Does anyone have any insight into why Patterson is starting and playing more than Goracke, especially when Patterson's stats are not impressive? He only has 17 rebounds in 12 games versus Goracke's 31 in 55 less minutes played. Patterson has not shot a free throw to this point and Goracke has made 9 0f 10. Goracke has made 5 more field goals overall while shooting slightly lower in FG percentage. 12 assists for Goracke to 4 for Patterson.........and on and on.

Patterson is such a one dimensional player. All he does is hang around the perimeter and shoot 3's. I don't think he has made a lay up.in his career, you never see him out on the fast break. I don't
think he has ever driven to the basket. And at 6'8 " his rebounding is almost non exisistant. I also don't understand how he gets as many minutes as he does.

[BelgradeBobcat]

Does anyone have any insight into why Patterson is starting and playing more than Goracke, especially when Patterson's stats are not impressive? He only has 17 rebounds in 12 games versus Goracke's 31 in 55 less minutes played. Patterson has not shot a free throw to this point and Goracke has made 9 0f 10. Goracke has made 5 more field goals overall while shooting slightly lower in FG percentage. 12 assists for Goracke to 4 for Patterson.........and on and on.

Patterson is such a one dimensional player. All he does is hang around the perimeter and shoot 3's. I don't think he has made a lay up.in his career, you never see him out on the fast break. I don't
think he has ever driven to the basket. And at 6'8 " his rebounding is almost non exisistant. I also don't understand how he gets as many minutes as he does.

He is a sneaky good defender, gets more steals than you think and his long arms are always in the passing lanes. I'd love to see him get a dunk-just once!

[msu_agfan]

Does anyone have any insight into why Patterson is starting and playing more than Goracke, especially when Patterson's stats are not impressive? He only has 17 rebounds in 12 games versus Goracke's 31 in 55 less minutes played. Patterson has not shot a free throw to this point and Goracke has made 9 0f 10. Goracke has made 5 more field goals overall while shooting slightly lower in FG percentage. 12 assists for Goracke to 4 for Patterson.........and on and on.

Patterson is such a one dimensional player. All he does is hang around the perimeter and shoot 3's. I don't think he has made a lay up.in his career, you never see him out on the fast break. I don't
think he has ever driven to the basket. And at 6'8 " his rebounding is almost non exisistant. I also don't understand how he gets as many minutes as he does.

He is a sneaky good defender, gets more steals than you think and his long arms are always in the passing lanes. I'd love to see him get a dunk-just once!

Last year he REALLY upped his defensive game. It seems to have subsided some this year, but i think it is a whole team issue and hopefully as they start conference play they can once again gain a true Bobcat identity and defend their house. Defense is where it often is, and it should hold true this year too.