MBB @ Idaho state

[HighPlainsBobcat]

12 hrs later and hopefully a little more perspective. Hopefully

Could it be possible that the team has too much depth? A PEB needs to be put out for Gorake! Here’s my argument. Last game’s thread included a comment from @Bobcat4Ever ”last years dudes + Zephir”. I think by most standards, most of us can agree that statement to be on point.

Despite MaxPolos “athletic ability” he’s been fading and it seems he’s not getting into the groove Logie wants/needs him to be in. Add in the lack of any kind of physical presence. Lecholats minutes dramatically increasing is evidence of that. IMHO.

Jabe is trying but he isn’t the PG we’d hoped for or Logie has said he needs Jabe to be. Yet anyway.

Walker, despite his uncanny ability to score, from anywhere it seems, continues to be a liability on the O-boards and defense. Seems I’ve said that before? Yet, he’s one of “last years dudes” that adds more than he doesn’t.

A portion of this team lacks the dawg mentality. Many have said not having Ford is huge. Of course it is! He’s a special type of player and leader that doesn’t come along very often. He did the intangibles. I’d argue we’ve a collective of sorts that do just that. Jed, Bryce, Sam, all give it 100% all the time. This leads me back to my opening, could it be we have too much talent? Despite hrs and hrs of offseason practice, it’s obvious which group plays best together.

Bryce + last years dudes! It’s time to let the horses run that wanna run.

[MTmadeCat]

12 hrs later and hopefully a little more perspective. Hopefully

Could it be possible that the team has too much depth? A PEB needs to be put out for Gorake! Here’s my argument. Last game’s thread included a comment from @Bobcat4Ever ”last years dudes + Zephir”. I think by most standards, most of us can agree that statement to be on point.

Despite MaxPolos “athletic ability” he’s been fading and it seems he’s not getting into the groove Logie wants/needs him to be in. Add in the lack of any kind of physical presence. Lecholats minutes dramatically increasing is evidence of that. IMHO.

Jabe is trying but he isn’t the PG we’d hoped for or Logie has said he needs Jabe to be. Yet anyway.

Walker, despite his uncanny ability to score, from anywhere it seems, continues to be a liability on the O-boards and defense. Seems I’ve said that before? Yet, he’s one of “last years dudes” that adds more than he doesn’t.

A portion of this team lacks the dawg mentality. Many have said not having Ford is huge. Of course it is! He’s a special type of player and leader that doesn’t come along very often. He did the intangibles. I’d argue we’ve a collective of sorts that do just that. Jed, Bryce, Sam, all give it 100% all the time. This leads me back to my opening, could it be we have too much talent? Despite hrs and hrs of offseason practice, it’s obvious which group plays best together.

Bryce + last years dudes! It’s time to let the horses run that wanna run.

Too much depth? Too much talent? As much as I loved the Logie hire and the run late last season, most of the core players on this team would have came off the bench for limited minutes on the teams just a few seasons ago. These guys seem so uninspired.
I am truly confused on the what the offseason plan was for these guys. Walker could barely play 20 mins per game last year, and instead of taking the off season to get in shape, he is the same or worse. We have had a lineage of great PG’s (Frey, X, Darius, and Ford)…until this year. I love Logie’s style of play, but they want to shoot the ball with guys that can’t shoot. The guys that want to and are willing to play defense can’t score, and the few guys that can score can’t play defense. And NOBODY will rebound the damn ball.
I know they have now lost 8 games by 6 or less points (0-8, I believe), but we’re over halfway through the season and if they can’t figure out how to close some of these out, well then our ncaa tourney streak is done. At least last season we had one guy (Ford) that was going to bring it every single night and give us a chance. It took them almost the entire season to play Olmstead last year, is that the plan for Kolly too??? Sorry for the rant. Extremely frustrated watching the team that dominated the conference for several seasons in a row (on par with the rest of our athletic department) sink to the very bottom of a weak basketball conference.

[Cledus]

Missed opportunity...Can't go scoreless for the last three minutes.

They didn't know what to do once they took the lead.

[technoCat]

Missed opportunity...Can't go scoreless for the last three minutes.

They didn't know what to do once they took the lead.

Sure they did, jack up 3s...

[lutecat]

12 hrs later and hopefully a little more perspective. Hopefully

Could it be possible that the team has too much depth? A PEB needs to be put out for Gorake! Here’s my argument. Last game’s thread included a comment from @Bobcat4Ever ”last years dudes + Zephir”. I think by most standards, most of us can agree that statement to be on point.

Despite MaxPolos “athletic ability” he’s been fading and it seems he’s not getting into the groove Logie wants/needs him to be in. Add in the lack of any kind of physical presence. Lecholats minutes dramatically increasing is evidence of that. IMHO.

Jabe is trying but he isn’t the PG we’d hoped for or Logie has said he needs Jabe to be. Yet anyway.

Walker, despite his uncanny ability to score, from anywhere it seems, continues to be a liability on the O-boards and defense. Seems I’ve said that before? Yet, he’s one of “last years dudes” that adds more than he doesn’t.

A portion of this team lacks the dawg mentality. Many have said not having Ford is huge. Of course it is! He’s a special type of player and leader that doesn’t come along very often. He did the intangibles. I’d argue we’ve a collective of sorts that do just that. Jed, Bryce, Sam, all give it 100% all the time. This leads me back to my opening, could it be we have too much talent? Despite hrs and hrs of offseason practice, it’s obvious which group plays best together.

Bryce + last years dudes! It’s time to let the horses run that wanna run.

Have you seen the women's team play? Too much talent? Our women's team has talent and depth for days. Last night Bin put in all sophmores and freshman at the end of the game. We still were playing awesome.

[HighPlainsBobcat]

12 hrs later and hopefully a little more perspective. Hopefully

Could it be possible that the team has too much depth? A PEB needs to be put out for Gorake! Here’s my argument. Last game’s thread included a comment from @Bobcat4Ever ”last years dudes + Zephir”. I think by most standards, most of us can agree that statement to be on point.

Despite MaxPolos “athletic ability” he’s been fading and it seems he’s not getting into the groove Logie wants/needs him to be in. Add in the lack of any kind of physical presence. Lecholats minutes dramatically increasing is evidence of that. IMHO.

Jabe is trying but he isn’t the PG we’d hoped for or Logie has said he needs Jabe to be. Yet anyway.

Walker, despite his uncanny ability to score, from anywhere it seems, continues to be a liability on the O-boards and defense. Seems I’ve said that before? Yet, he’s one of “last years dudes” that adds more than he doesn’t.

A portion of this team lacks the dawg mentality. Many have said not having Ford is huge. Of course it is! He’s a special type of player and leader that doesn’t come along very often. He did the intangibles. I’d argue we’ve a collective of sorts that do just that. Jed, Bryce, Sam, all give it 100% all the time. This leads me back to my opening, could it be we have too much talent? Despite hrs and hrs of offseason practice, it’s obvious which group plays best together.

Bryce + last years dudes! It’s time to let the horses run that wanna run.

Too much depth? Too much talent? As much as I loved the Logie hire and the run late last season, most of the core players on this team would have came off the bench for limited minutes on the teams just a few seasons ago. These guys seem so uninspired.
I am truly confused on the what the offseason plan was for these guys. Walker could barely play 20 mins per game last year, and instead of taking the off season to get in shape, he is the same or worse. We have had a lineage of great PG’s (Frey, X, Darius, and Ford)…until this year. I love Logie’s style of play, but they want to shoot the ball with guys that can’t shoot. The guys that want to and are willing to play defense can’t score, and the few guys that can score can’t play defense. And NOBODY will rebound the damn ball.
I know they have now lost 8 games by 6 or less points (0-8, I believe), but we’re over halfway through the season and if they can’t figure out how to close some of these out, well then our ncaa tourney streak is done. At least last season we had one guy (Ford) that was going to bring it every single night and give us a chance. It took them almost the entire season to play Olmstead last year, is that the plan for Kolly too??? Sorry for the rant. Extremely frustrated watching the team that dominated the conference for several seasons in a row (on par with the rest of our athletic department) sink to the very bottom of a weak basketball conference.

Yes, too much talent. Meaning, sorry for not being more clear, substitutions come regular and often, not allowing for the guys to get into grooves with each other. Common sense might tell us that all of that should have been worked out in the off season and pre-season. That any and all combos of players should work. It's pretty clear that's not the case. @Desert_Bobcat has often mentioned how the ball stagnates between the starters, especially MaxPolo and Walker. Why? @lutecat yes i've seen the women play and have listened to Coach Bin talk about how well the team works together. She's managed to get the talent and depth she has to play together. She's got her players buying in. She has a leader in Morales. Coach Logie lacks that kind of player leadership. Though there's signs of guys like Sam, TP, and Jed stepping up and giving everything they've got.

IMHO, when a team has a really deep bench in numbers and talent, it can breed a false sense of security from the staff. That they always have someone too plug in. As i previously stated, it's time to let the horses run that wanna run. Change the starting lineup. Change the pace of play right from the tip.

Start last years dudes + Bryce!

[MSU01]

The frustrating yet still hopeful thing about the MBB team so far is that they're 1-4 but none of the four losses have been blowouts in which the Bobcats were clearly outmatched by their opponent. This seems like a year in the Big Sky where there isn't really one or two teams that stand out as being clearly better than the rest, so the conference tournament should be pretty wide open especially playing on a neutral court. It would be nice to finish in the Top 6 and not have to play in the first round, so hopefully MSU can string together some wins when they have a few more home games coming up on the schedule. Just need to keep working, keep getting better and hope it all comes together in March like it did last year I guess.