WBB National Ranking

[John K]

The Bobcats moved up two spots to #53 in the Net rankings after beating the Griz yesterday and are now #1 in the country in steals per game. Their Net ranking should put them on the 12 line for NCAA seeding although of course the committee doesn't base it entirely on that.

It was hard not to be impressed with the MSU women, watching that epic beatdown of the gris yesterday. They won by 32, and it wasn't really even that close, as the lead was as much as 40 late in the 3rd quarter. They play defense at a very high level, and I think any team that plays defense that well, could have a chance to win at least one game in the tourney, so long as they get a 12 or 13 seed. You're still going to be playing a top 20 or 25 team int the first round, but that's a lot more realistic than if you're a 14 -16 seed, and playing a top 10 team.

[rivercat]

Tell me if my logic is correct. There are 32 women's D1 bball conferences and every conference can send an auto qualifier. At the current #53 NET ranking, MSU is ahead of the best team from I believe 20 conferences. Based on this, the Cats should not be lower than the 48 seed (68 teams - 20 lower ranked auto qualifiers). This in theory puts the Cats at the last 11 seed in the regional bracket.

Thanks

[MSU01]

Tell me if my logic is correct. There are 32 women's D1 bball conferences and every conference can send an auto qualifier. At the current #53 NET ranking, MSU is ahead of the best team from I believe 20 conferences. Based on this, the Cats should not be lower than the 48 seed (68 teams - 20 lower ranked auto qualifiers). This in theory puts the Cats at the last 11 seed in the regional bracket.

Thanks

Using the automatic qualifier teams in ESPN's projected bracket, MSU is currently the third best #12 seed if the teams are seeded solely on Net ranking. Both the AQ 11 seeds are in the 40s.

[rivercat]

Tell me if my logic is correct. There are 32 women's D1 bball conferences and every conference can send an auto qualifier. At the current #53 NET ranking, MSU is ahead of the best team from I believe 20 conferences. Based on this, the Cats should not be lower than the 48 seed (68 teams - 20 lower ranked auto qualifiers). This in theory puts the Cats at the last 11 seed in the regional bracket.

Thanks

Using the automatic qualifier teams in ESPN's projected bracket, MSU is currently the third best #12 seed if the teams are seeded solely on Net ranking. Both the AQ 11 seeds are in the 40s.

So the NET ratings really don't mean much because the math says otherwise. My point is that using solely NET rankings MSU is the fourth 11 seed.

[MSU01]

Tell me if my logic is correct. There are 32 women's D1 bball conferences and every conference can send an auto qualifier. At the current #53 NET ranking, MSU is ahead of the best team from I believe 20 conferences. Based on this, the Cats should not be lower than the 48 seed (68 teams - 20 lower ranked auto qualifiers). This in theory puts the Cats at the last 11 seed in the regional bracket.

Thanks

Using the automatic qualifier teams in ESPN's projected bracket, MSU is currently the third best #12 seed if the teams are seeded solely on Net ranking. Both the AQ 11 seeds are in the 40s.

So the NET ratings really don't mean much because the math says otherwise. My point is that using solely NET rankings MSU is the fourth 11 seed.

I think the math works out. Out of 31 conferences 11 have teams above MSU in the Net. So MSU/Big Sky is #12 and there are 19 AQ teams ranked below MSU. Remember that there are actually six #16 seeds due to the First Four games, so those 19 represent the 18 teams seeded #13 through #16 and then the last #12 seed.

[Bobcat4Ever]

Tell me if my logic is correct. There are 32 women's D1 bball conferences and every conference can send an auto qualifier. At the current #53 NET ranking, MSU is ahead of the best team from I believe 20 conferences. Based on this, the Cats should not be lower than the 48 seed (68 teams - 20 lower ranked auto qualifiers). This in theory puts the Cats at the last 11 seed in the regional bracket.

Thanks

Working from the top down this way, wouldn’t #48 be the last #12 seed since 48/4 = 12? It takes 12 seeds to absorb 48 teams.

[MSU01]

Tell me if my logic is correct. There are 32 women's D1 bball conferences and every conference can send an auto qualifier. At the current #53 NET ranking, MSU is ahead of the best team from I believe 20 conferences. Based on this, the Cats should not be lower than the 48 seed (68 teams - 20 lower ranked auto qualifiers). This in theory puts the Cats at the last 11 seed in the regional bracket.

Thanks

Working from the top down this way, wouldn’t #48 be the last #12 seed since 48/4 = 12? It takes 12 seeds to absorb 48 teams.

No, because there are six #11 seeds due to the First Four games. The #48 overall seed is the 2nd best #12 seed.

[TomCat88]

Tell me if my logic is correct. There are 32 women's D1 bball conferences and every conference can send an auto qualifier. At the current #53 NET ranking, MSU is ahead of the best team from I believe 20 conferences. Based on this, the Cats should not be lower than the 48 seed (68 teams - 20 lower ranked auto qualifiers). This in theory puts the Cats at the last 11 seed in the regional bracket.

Thanks

Working from the top down this way, wouldn’t #48 be the last #12 seed since 48/4 = 12? It takes 12 seeds to absorb 48 teams.

No, because there are six #11 seeds due to the First Four games. The #48 overall seed is the 2nd best #12 seed.

Isn't the goal to be at least a #12 seed to avoid going to a 1-4 seed and have to play on their home court? Do 5-12 seeds play at a neutral site?

[MSU01]

Tell me if my logic is correct. There are 32 women's D1 bball conferences and every conference can send an auto qualifier. At the current #53 NET ranking, MSU is ahead of the best team from I believe 20 conferences. Based on this, the Cats should not be lower than the 48 seed (68 teams - 20 lower ranked auto qualifiers). This in theory puts the Cats at the last 11 seed in the regional bracket.

Thanks

Working from the top down this way, wouldn’t #48 be the last #12 seed since 48/4 = 12? It takes 12 seeds to absorb 48 teams.

No, because there are six #11 seeds due to the First Four games. The #48 overall seed is the 2nd best #12 seed.

Isn't the goal to be at least a #12 seed to avoid going to a 1-4 seed and have to play on their home court? Do 5-12 seeds play at a neutral site?

Yep, 5-12 seeds play the first game at the home arena of whichever Top 4 seed they've been bracketed with for the second round matchup. In 2022 when MSU played at Stanford the first game was Kansas vs Georgia Tech in the 8 vs 9 game.

[ClowderUp]

Tell me if my logic is correct. There are 32 women's D1 bball conferences and every conference can send an auto qualifier. At the current #53 NET ranking, MSU is ahead of the best team from I believe 20 conferences. Based on this, the Cats should not be lower than the 48 seed (68 teams - 20 lower ranked auto qualifiers). This in theory puts the Cats at the last 11 seed in the regional bracket.

Thanks

Working from the top down this way, wouldn’t #48 be the last #12 seed since 48/4 = 12? It takes 12 seeds to absorb 48 teams.

No, because there are six #11 seeds due to the First Four games. The #48 overall seed is the 2nd best #12 seed.

Isn't the goal to be at least a #12 seed to avoid going to a 1-4 seed and have to play on their home court? Do 5-12 seeds play at a neutral site?

Yep, 5-12 seeds play the first game at the home arena of whichever Top 4 seed they've been bracketed with for the second round matchup. In 2022 when MSU played at Stanford the first game was Kansas vs Georgia Tech in the 8 vs 9 game.

So if this team can get to a 12 or better, they get a neutral site game, but 13 or worse then guarantees a opponent with home court advantage. Is that correct?

[MSU01]

Tell me if my logic is correct. There are 32 women's D1 bball conferences and every conference can send an auto qualifier. At the current #53 NET ranking, MSU is ahead of the best team from I believe 20 conferences. Based on this, the Cats should not be lower than the 48 seed (68 teams - 20 lower ranked auto qualifiers). This in theory puts the Cats at the last 11 seed in the regional bracket.

Thanks

Working from the top down this way, wouldn’t #48 be the last #12 seed since 48/4 = 12? It takes 12 seeds to absorb 48 teams.

No, because there are six #11 seeds due to the First Four games. The #48 overall seed is the 2nd best #12 seed.

Isn't the goal to be at least a #12 seed to avoid going to a 1-4 seed and have to play on their home court? Do 5-12 seeds play at a neutral site?

Yep, 5-12 seeds play the first game at the home arena of whichever Top 4 seed they've been bracketed with for the second round matchup. In 2022 when MSU played at Stanford the first game was Kansas vs Georgia Tech in the 8 vs 9 game.

So if this team can get to a 12 or better, they get a neutral site game, but 13 or worse then guarantees a opponent with home court advantage. Is that correct?

Correct. Any team seeded 1 through 4 is guaranteed two home games before they have to go to the neutral court regional sites for the Sweet 16 and beyond. Definitely a huge advantage for the women's tournament compared to the men's tournament where every single game is played at a neutral site.

[SACCAT]

Herhoopstats has the Women as a 12 seed playing Baylor in 1st round. ESPN Bracketology still has them as a 14 seed playing Kentucky, but that was before the Saturday game.

[snarf]

Herhoopstats has the Women as a 12 seed playing Baylor in 1st round. ESPN Bracketology still has them as a 14 seed playing Kentucky, but that was before the Saturday game.

ESPN has updated the lower seeds in the bracket in weeks. How they can justify FGCU as a higher seed when we have a higher net ranking, a better RPI, a better overall record and beat them head to head at their place by a substantial amount just shows that they really don’t put much effort in beyond the top seeds still.

[Bobcat4Ever]

Tell me if my logic is correct. There are 32 women's D1 bball conferences and every conference can send an auto qualifier. At the current #53 NET ranking, MSU is ahead of the best team from I believe 20 conferences. Based on this, the Cats should not be lower than the 48 seed (68 teams - 20 lower ranked auto qualifiers). This in theory puts the Cats at the last 11 seed in the regional bracket.

Thanks

Working from the top down this way, wouldn’t #48 be the last #12 seed since 48/4 = 12? It takes 12 seeds to absorb 48 teams.

No, because there are six #11 seeds due to the First Four games. The #48 overall seed is the 2nd best #12 seed.

Awk. Thanks. I always forget about the extra #11 seeds.

[MSU01]

Herhoopstats has the Women as a 12 seed playing Baylor in 1st round. ESPN Bracketology still has them as a 14 seed playing Kentucky, but that was before the Saturday game.

ESPN has updated the lower seeds in the bracket in weeks. How they can justify FGCU as a higher seed when we have a higher net ranking, a better RPI, a better overall record and beat them head to head at their place by a substantial amount just shows that they really don’t put much effort in beyond the top seeds still.

The ESPN bracket used to have MSU as a 13 seed but moved them down to 14 a couple weeks ago. It's hard to say how much attention any of these bracket projection people are even paying to the bottom end of the seeds, usually they're more concerned with getting the top seeds and bubble teams predicted correctly. Unless MSU loses a couple games closing out the regular season it would be an absolute travesty for them to be seeded below FGCU. The Bobcats kind of dominated that game on the road to end FGCU's long home win streak and have improved...a lot...since then. FGCU does have much greater "name recognition" since they won first round NCAA games in both 2022 and 2023.

[rfischer94]

Why not do the seeding blind? No team names, just data points

[4Mare]

Mid-major rankings just came out for this week. Bobcats up 3 spots from 10 to #7. One spot above from FGCU.

https://collegeinsider.com/womens-mid-major-top-25

[MSU01]

Mid-major rankings just came out for this week. Bobcats up 3 spots from 10 to #7. One spot above from FGCU.

https://collegeinsider.com/womens-mid-major-top-25

Pretty awesome! The Bobcats have passed a few teams that haven't lost lately such as FGCU, so coaches are definitely starting to take notice of how well they're doing.

[M2bobcat]

Lady Cats moved up to #7 in mid-major rankings! That is awesome, GO CATS GO

[rivercat]

#51 in today's NET ranking up from #53.