Holsinger named new Lady Griz head coach

[MSU01]

In this case, his contract was ending and paying out the rest of it was much less expensive for UM (and us taxpayers) than a long legal circus that would end in a settlement anyhow.

The article linked above actually states that Holsinger had recently signed a 4-year contract extension. I assume that played at least some role in negotiating the buyout agreement. I can see why both sides would just want to move on without turning this into a public legal battle, especially for Holsinger himself who I'm sure would rather this be kept as quiet as possible for the sake of his future job prospects if he still wants to coach.

That’s absolutely crazy considering how that program is in even worse shape than when they didn’t renew Schweyen’s contract. Contract terminated for cause with a $115,000 buyout is a somewhat acceptable result, but it is odd since they could have fired him for cause and paid nothing.

Great job regardless, Haslam.

The $115K is likely worth it since it comes with a guarantee that Holsinger can't sue the university like Schweyen did. The legal costs and potential bad publicity just aren't worth risking, better to simply pay out his contract and move on. Haslam definitely hasn't done the best job of hiring coaches though.

[lutecat]

He (allegedly) shoved a female coach and a trainer. He’s fired, just hasn’t been announced yet as they deal with the legalities

I plan to show more class with this news that many of the gris fans did with the Bobcat football assistant coaches problems.

I mean, they do have the high ground here considering they fired their coach and MSU didn’t…

There were going to be lawsuits had they not settled. It would've been ugly.

No.

As someone who has employees the 2 situations are completely different. If my employee gets arrested for stealing on their day off, their own time, I don't have a legal right to fire them. Maybe I can take away handling money part of the job, but not fire them. If they steal from my register I can fire them on the spot. I have (well it was the next day once we had the security footage sorted).

What the MSU coaches did was on their own time and not directly against MSU (except for the whole TH driving a MSU vehicle which I think should have given cause?). If Holsinger physically assaulted or pushed or whatever another UM employee, especially his subordinate he could have been fired then and there with cause. There has to be some nuance to the story because the way he was on leave and then they paid him for the rest of the season is weird. I think it was sweeping it under the rug a little but he didn't have a legal basis for wrongful termination if the story is true. If they fired him, they would have to give cause and that's a black eye(no pun intended) for the program.

The part of your post in bold is the exact problem with firing the coach for cause. If the fired coach disputes the details of what happened, then it absolutely will result in lawsuits being filed and a lengthy and messy legal process to go through. MSU went through this with both Mike Kramer and Robin Potera (former WBB coach). They were smart to do what they did, come to a buyout agreement that prevents him from pursuing any additional legal action against the university.

Hence me saying there has to be nuance. Like its my word versus yours but I'm a$$hole and everyone knows I did it.

In this case, his contract was ending and paying out the rest of it was much less expensive for UM (and us taxpayers) than a long legal circus that would end in a settlement anyhow.

He actually had signed an extention. Both sided agreed to nix the extension and just pay him the rest of this year.

[imacat]

In this case, his contract was ending and paying out the rest of it was much less expensive for UM (and us taxpayers) than a long legal circus that would end in a settlement anyhow.

The article linked above actually states that Holsinger had recently signed a 4-year contract extension. I assume that played at least some role in negotiating the buyout agreement. I can see why both sides would just want to move on without turning this into a public legal battle, especially for Holsinger himself who I'm sure would rather this be kept as quiet as possible for the sake of his future job prospects if he still wants to coach.

Holsinger likely will never coach again. Best case scenario is that UM would reply “no comment” when asked for references by any prospective employer. Coaching is a pretty tight knit community … he will not be able to keep this quiet.

[BelgradeBobcat]

Never say never...

[lutecat]

In this case, his contract was ending and paying out the rest of it was much less expensive for UM (and us taxpayers) than a long legal circus that would end in a settlement anyhow.

The article linked above actually states that Holsinger had recently signed a 4-year contract extension. I assume that played at least some role in negotiating the buyout agreement. I can see why both sides would just want to move on without turning this into a public legal battle, especially for Holsinger himself who I'm sure would rather this be kept as quiet as possible for the sake of his future job prospects if he still wants to coach.

Holsinger likely will never coach again. Best case scenario is that UM would reply “no comment” when asked for references by any prospective employer. Coaching is a pretty tight knit community … he will not be able to keep this quiet.

America loves a good comeback story. Never say never. He'll get an assistant coach job for a couple years. Have you heard of the Idaho volleyball coach? Then get a new coaching position. Though admittedly he could go the Shannon Cate direction and sell real estate somewhere.

[wbtfg]

He (allegedly) shoved a female coach and a trainer. He’s fired, just hasn’t been announced yet as they deal with the legalities

I plan to show more class with this news that many of the gris fans did with the Bobcat football assistant coaches problems.

I mean, they do have the high ground here considering they fired their coach and MSU didn’t…

There were going to be lawsuits had they not settled. It would've been ugly.

No.

As someone who has employees the 2 situations are completely different. If my employee gets arrested for stealing on their day off, their own time, I don't have a legal right to fire them. Maybe I can take away handling money part of the job, but not fire them. If they steal from my register I can fire them on the spot. I have (well it was the next day once we had the security footage sorted).

What the MSU coaches did was on their own time and not directly against MSU (except for the whole TH driving a MSU vehicle which I think should have given cause?). If Holsinger physically assaulted or pushed or whatever another UM employee, especially his subordinate he could have been fired then and there with cause. There has to be some nuance to the story because the way he was on leave and then they paid him for the rest of the season is weird. I think it was sweeping it under the rug a little but he didn't have a legal basis for wrongful termination if the story is true. If they fired him, they would have to give cause and that's a black eye(no pun intended) for the program.

The crazy part about all of this is that the assistant coach who got assaulted is essentially being fired as well, as it's highly likely a new coach will bring in their own staff. So she gets the boot literally and metaphorically. Crazy....

[Joe Bobcat]

In this case, his contract was ending and paying out the rest of it was much less expensive for UM (and us taxpayers) than a long legal circus that would end in a settlement anyhow.

The article linked above actually states that Holsinger had recently signed a 4-year contract extension. I assume that played at least some role in negotiating the buyout agreement. I can see why both sides would just want to move on without turning this into a public legal battle, especially for Holsinger himself who I'm sure would rather this be kept as quiet as possible for the sake of his future job prospects if he still wants to coach.

Holsinger likely will never coach again. Best case scenario is that UM would reply “no comment” when asked for references by any prospective employer. Coaching is a pretty tight knit community … he will not be able to keep this quiet.

I was on a board where we had to part ways with an employee in a similar way and signed an agreement that we wouldn't disclose the reasons for ending the employment relationship. Our lawyer basically gave us a script for us to read to anyone who contacted us inquiring about that previous employee. It went something like this, "Yes that person was an employee from (date to date). We have signed an agreement that we would not disclose any other information about their work here and no information as to why they no longer work here."

After hearing that most people just responded with, OH I think that tells me everything I probably need to know. Thank you and goodbye.