Weber

[BozoneCat]

In the MWC, you know the worst homer refs will always come when you play in Laramie. In the BSC, it's when you play in Ogden.

[WSUWILDCAT]

Sure didn't look like he went around Hood from the TV angle. Maybe Hood leaned to his left?

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I do agree about the Patterson flop 3, didn't look like much. As for the fouls down the stretch, Weber was very physical all game when MSU drove to the rim, plenty of clean ball blocks but tons of body contact, glad they started calling it finally. Bishop was getting hammered all game with hardly a call.

All that said I'm a firm believer that refs don't win or lose games, but it certainly affected the way MSU played.

Honestly that video makes it easier to tell that Brown hardly touches him. And you can see all of Brown's body come down left of Hood. It was a flop and I'm glad the refs didnt call it either way. Both would have been bad calls as there is hardly any contact

[CelticCat]

Sure didn't look like he went around Hood from the TV angle. Maybe Hood leaned to his left?

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I do agree about the Patterson flop 3, didn't look like much. As for the fouls down the stretch, Weber was very physical all game when MSU drove to the rim, plenty of clean ball blocks but tons of body contact, glad they started calling it finally. Bishop was getting hammered all game with hardly a call.

All that said I'm a firm believer that refs don't win or lose games, but it certainly affected the way MSU played.

Honestly that video makes it easier to tell that Brown hardly touches him. And you can see all of Brown's body come down left of Hood. It was a flop and I'm glad the refs didnt call it either way. Both would have been bad calls as there is hardly any contact

So you're telling me if I show that video to 100 basketball fans who don't have any clue who Weber or MSU are, they are going to think it's a flop? Strongly disagree with that, but it is what it is. Like I said, refs don't lose games. If the calls aren't going your way, it's your job as a coach and team to adjust to that.

[CelticCat]

Regardless, we have to figure out a way to slow down Weber's offense. I'm not sure if we need to switch to a zone, but we couldn't hang man to man, help was late, and when it was on time there was often a foul called. Weber was lights out from 3 so hanging back off the line won't help much either.

Try to deny entry passes and maybe spring some traps, but we gotta make them work harder than what they did last night.

[imacat]

Cats Rout Weber State

Photo of Ashley Van Sickle courtesy MSU Sports Information/Garrett Becker

Feb. 4, 2021 – BOZEMAN, Mont. – Montana State point guard Darian White posted a game-high 17 points in 18-minutes of action, while back-up Ashley Van Sickle recorded a career-high 13 points and seven assists as the Bobcats routed Weber State 102-53 on Thursday night in Worthington Arena.

In all, twelve of MSU’s 14 players scored, including four in double-digits.

For the second straight game, Montana State (10-5, 7-2) jumped out early taking a 25-6 lead after the opening 10-minutes. MSU shot 47% in the first period and connected on 4-of-6 three-pointers. The Bobcat defense limited Weber State (0-12, 0-9) to 22% from the field.

“How you set the tone; how you set the tone on both ends of the floor always matters,” said MSU head coach Tricia Binford. “What I loved about our start was the defense. I think the very first possession we got a deflection and got a stop right from the start.

“Everything with our identity starts on the defensive end,” Binford added. “And we certainly did it.”

MSU built its advantage to 54-24 at intermission. White and Katelynn Limardo went to work in the second quarter scoring eight and five points, respectively, while Lexi Deden added five points and two rebounds in 3 ½- minutes of action.

The Bobcats shot 58.8% in the second frame and connected of 5-of-10 from long distance.

“We did a nice job not getting the ball stuck,” Binford commented. “When we get the ball reversed and keep it simple, we find very good shots and that’s where we start to see our flow, offensively.”

MSU built a 48-point cushion with just over a minute left in the third period and finished the quarter with an 82-37 advantage.

The fourth quarter featured freshmen Sydney Stensgard and Kenzie Stumne playing all ten-minutes, while three other first-year players- Taylor Janssen, Ava Ranson and Leia Beattie filled in around them. Janssen posted nine points in the final frame.

“Those kids work as hard as everyone else every day,” Binford said. “One of my favorite moments was seeing the starters on the bench and celebrating their teammates. We want to celebrate every person on this team, every value matters, every role matters. We want to be at an elite level. I’m really proud of that group to win the fourth quarter.”

Also finishing in double-figures were Deden 15, and Janssen, with a career-best 14 points, including a pair of 3-pointers.

MSU shot 53.6% from the field, connected on 15-28 from long distance and was 13-of-16 at the free throw line. The Bobcats also held a 40-28 edge under the glass, paced by Limardo with a team-high six rebounds.

Daryn Hickok led Weber State with 13 points and five rebounds.

MSU hosts Weber State on Saturday at 12 p.m. in Worthington Arena.


Tom Schulz
Director of Athletics Communications
Montana State University

[WSUWILDCAT]

Sure didn't look like he went around Hood from the TV angle. Maybe Hood leaned to his left?

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I do agree about the Patterson flop 3, didn't look like much. As for the fouls down the stretch, Weber was very physical all game when MSU drove to the rim, plenty of clean ball blocks but tons of body contact, glad they started calling it finally. Bishop was getting hammered all game with hardly a call.

All that said I'm a firm believer that refs don't win or lose games, but it certainly affected the way MSU played.

Honestly that video makes it easier to tell that Brown hardly touches him. And you can see all of Brown's body come down left of Hood. It was a flop and I'm glad the refs didnt call it either way. Both would have been bad calls as there is hardly any contact

So you're telling me if I show that video to 100 basketball fans who don't have any clue who Weber or MSU are, they are going to think it's a flop? Strongly disagree with that, but it is what it is. Like I said, refs don't lose games. If the calls aren't going your way, it's your job as a coach and team to adjust to that.

Well.....Yeah. But I will agree to disagree.

[Joe Bobcat]

Sure didn't look like he went around Hood from the TV angle. Maybe Hood leaned to his left?

https://storage.cloudconvert.com/tasks/ ... ideo%2Fmp4

I do agree about the Patterson flop 3, didn't look like much. As for the fouls down the stretch, Weber was very physical all game when MSU drove to the rim, plenty of clean ball blocks but tons of body contact, glad they started calling it finally. Bishop was getting hammered all game with hardly a call.

All that said I'm a firm believer that refs don't win or lose games, but it certainly affected the way MSU played.

Honestly that video makes it easier to tell that Brown hardly touches him. And you can see all of Brown's body come down left of Hood. It was a flop and I'm glad the refs didnt call it either way. Both would have been bad calls as there is hardly any contact

So you're telling me if I show that video to 100 basketball fans who don't have any clue who Weber or MSU are, they are going to think it's a flop? Strongly disagree with that, but it is what it is. Like I said, refs don't lose games. If the calls aren't going your way, it's your job as a coach and team to adjust to that.

Well.....Yeah. But I will agree to disagree.

Sure You can see you can see all of Brown's body come down left of Hood but when Brown was in the air taking the shot did you see his left thigh hit the chest and gut of Hood, and did you see Brown's left arm firmly planted in the left crook of Hood's neck? Of course you did if your going to be honest because the video shows it clearly from the camera angle. The real question is how did the ref that called the flop see through Brown's body to know if there was or wasn't contact made. The answer is he didn't see it one way or the other but made a call anyway.

[WSUWILDCAT]

Sure didn't look like he went around Hood from the TV angle. Maybe Hood leaned to his left?

https://storage.cloudconvert.com/tasks/ ... ideo%2Fmp4

I do agree about the Patterson flop 3, didn't look like much. As for the fouls down the stretch, Weber was very physical all game when MSU drove to the rim, plenty of clean ball blocks but tons of body contact, glad they started calling it finally. Bishop was getting hammered all game with hardly a call.

All that said I'm a firm believer that refs don't win or lose games, but it certainly affected the way MSU played.

Honestly that video makes it easier to tell that Brown hardly touches him. And you can see all of Brown's body come down left of Hood. It was a flop and I'm glad the refs didnt call it either way. Both would have been bad calls as there is hardly any contact

So you're telling me if I show that video to 100 basketball fans who don't have any clue who Weber or MSU are, they are going to think it's a flop? Strongly disagree with that, but it is what it is. Like I said, refs don't lose games. If the calls aren't going your way, it's your job as a coach and team to adjust to that.

Well.....Yeah. But I will agree to disagree.

Sure You can see you can see all of Brown's body come down left of Hood but when Brown was in the air taking the shot did you see his left thigh hit the chest and gut of Hood, and did you see Brown's left arm firmly planted in the left crook of Hood's neck? Of course you did if your going to be honest because the video shows it clearly from the camera angle. The real question is how did the ref that called the flop see through Brown's body to know if there was or wasn't contact made. The answer is he didn't see it one way or the other but made a call anyway.

Please, he puts no pressure on that arm. And it cant be frimly planted when he never even extends that arm, if he would have pushed off with that arm I would agree with you but he doesnt. AND the contact made is so minimal that there is no way Hood could be pushed over that far that easily. You make it sound like he drove his knee into the chest/gut of Hood yet the video shows it plainly that the knee barely makes contact. Look at the moment where his leg comes into contact...the amount of force that the leg creates does not match the recoil Hood shows when falling back. He didnt have the position he thought he did so he tried to sell it and got called out for it by the ref. He's lucky thats all he got, he could have been called for a blocking foul. But it was a no call, which to me was the right call as there wasnt enough contact by either party to warrant one.

[Helcat72]

I thought Weber was quick and hot last night. They were well coached and had lots of athleticism. We were hot too...
Maybe more than usual, but our defense couldn't stop them. Hope we play better defense Saturday.

[Joe Bobcat]

Sure didn't look like he went around Hood from the TV angle. Maybe Hood leaned to his left?

https://storage.cloudconvert.com/tasks/ ... ideo%2Fmp4

I do agree about the Patterson flop 3, didn't look like much. As for the fouls down the stretch, Weber was very physical all game when MSU drove to the rim, plenty of clean ball blocks but tons of body contact, glad they started calling it finally. Bishop was getting hammered all game with hardly a call.

All that said I'm a firm believer that refs don't win or lose games, but it certainly affected the way MSU played.

Honestly that video makes it easier to tell that Brown hardly touches him. And you can see all of Brown's body come down left of Hood. It was a flop and I'm glad the refs didnt call it either way. Both would have been bad calls as there is hardly any contact

So you're telling me if I show that video to 100 basketball fans who don't have any clue who Weber or MSU are, they are going to think it's a flop? Strongly disagree with that, but it is what it is. Like I said, refs don't lose games. If the calls aren't going your way, it's your job as a coach and team to adjust to that.

Well.....Yeah. But I will agree to disagree.

Sure You can see you can see all of Brown's body come down left of Hood but when Brown was in the air taking the shot did you see his left thigh hit the chest and gut of Hood, and did you see Brown's left arm firmly planted in the left crook of Hood's neck? Of course you did if your going to be honest because the video shows it clearly from the camera angle. The real question is how did the ref that called the flop see through Brown's body to know if there was or wasn't contact made. The answer is he didn't see it one way or the other but made a call anyway.

Please, he puts no pressure on that arm. And it cant be frimly planted when he never even extends that arm, if he would have pushed off with that arm I would agree with you but he doesnt. AND the contact made is so minimal that there is no way Hood could be pushed over that far that easily. You make it sound like he drove his knee into the chest/gut of Hood yet the video shows it plainly that the knee barely makes contact. Look at the moment where his leg comes into contact...the amount of force that the leg creates does not match the recoil Hood shows when falling back. He didnt have the position he thought he did so he tried to sell it and got called out for it by the ref. He's lucky thats all he got, he could have been called for a blocking foul. But it was a no call, which to me was the right call as there wasnt enough contact by either party to warrant one.

We both know that Brown's arm didn't need to be extended. The placement of the bent arm and the movement of Brown's body provided all the force needed. By your logic all an offensive player has to do is keep their arm bent at the elbow and they can initiate all the contact they want and not draw a foul. Read more carefully and view the video less prejudicially. I didn't suggest any driving of a knee and the video didn't show any, but there was the whole length of the thigh against trunk of defender and again the movement of Brown's body into Hood was sufficient and obvious. You say there was a no call but it seems there was a call.

[RickRund]

Sure didn't look like he went around Hood from the TV angle. Maybe Hood leaned to his left?

https://storage.cloudconvert.com/tasks/ ... ideo%2Fmp4

I do agree about the Patterson flop 3, didn't look like much. As for the fouls down the stretch, Weber was very physical all game when MSU drove to the rim, plenty of clean ball blocks but tons of body contact, glad they started calling it finally. Bishop was getting hammered all game with hardly a call.

All that said I'm a firm believer that refs don't win or lose games, but it certainly affected the way MSU played.

Honestly that video makes it easier to tell that Brown hardly touches him. And you can see all of Brown's body come down left of Hood. It was a flop and I'm glad the refs didnt call it either way. Both would have been bad calls as there is hardly any contact

So you're telling me if I show that video to 100 basketball fans who don't have any clue who Weber or MSU are, they are going to think it's a flop? Strongly disagree with that, but it is what it is. Like I said, refs don't lose games. If the calls aren't going your way, it's your job as a coach and team to adjust to that.

Well.....Yeah. But I will agree to disagree.

Sure You can see you can see all of Brown's body come down left of Hood but when Brown was in the air taking the shot did you see his left thigh hit the chest and gut of Hood, and did you see Brown's left arm firmly planted in the left crook of Hood's neck? Of course you did if your going to be honest because the video shows it clearly from the camera angle. The real question is how did the ref that called the flop see through Brown's body to know if there was or wasn't contact made. The answer is he didn't see it one way or the other but made a call anyway.

Please, he puts no pressure on that arm. And it cant be frimly planted when he never even extends that arm, if he would have pushed off with that arm I would agree with you but he doesnt. AND the contact made is so minimal that there is no way Hood could be pushed over that far that easily. You make it sound like he drove his knee into the chest/gut of Hood yet the video shows it plainly that the knee barely makes contact. Look at the moment where his leg comes into contact...the amount of force that the leg creates does not match the recoil Hood shows when falling back. He didnt have the position he thought he did so he tried to sell it and got called out for it by the ref. He's lucky thats all he got, he could have been called for a blocking foul. But it was a no call, which to me was the right call as there wasnt enough contact by either party to warrant one.

We both know that Brown's arm didn't need to be extended. The placement of the bent arm and the movement of Brown's body provided all the force needed. By your logic all an offensive player has to do is keep their arm bent at the elbow and they can initiate all the contact they want and not draw a foul. Read more carefully and view the video less prejudicially. I didn't suggest any driving of a knee and the video didn't show any, but there was the whole length of the thigh against trunk of defender and again the movement of Brown's body into Hood was sufficient and obvious. You say there was a no call but it seems there was a call.

Yes, I agree...

[WSUWILDCAT]

Sure didn't look like he went around Hood from the TV angle. Maybe Hood leaned to his left?

https://storage.cloudconvert.com/tasks/ ... ideo%2Fmp4

I do agree about the Patterson flop 3, didn't look like much. As for the fouls down the stretch, Weber was very physical all game when MSU drove to the rim, plenty of clean ball blocks but tons of body contact, glad they started calling it finally. Bishop was getting hammered all game with hardly a call.

All that said I'm a firm believer that refs don't win or lose games, but it certainly affected the way MSU played.

Honestly that video makes it easier to tell that Brown hardly touches him. And you can see all of Brown's body come down left of Hood. It was a flop and I'm glad the refs didnt call it either way. Both would have been bad calls as there is hardly any contact

So you're telling me if I show that video to 100 basketball fans who don't have any clue who Weber or MSU are, they are going to think it's a flop? Strongly disagree with that, but it is what it is. Like I said, refs don't lose games. If the calls aren't going your way, it's your job as a coach and team to adjust to that.

Well.....Yeah. But I will agree to disagree.

Sure You can see you can see all of Brown's body come down left of Hood but when Brown was in the air taking the shot did you see his left thigh hit the chest and gut of Hood, and did you see Brown's left arm firmly planted in the left crook of Hood's neck? Of course you did if your going to be honest because the video shows it clearly from the camera angle. The real question is how did the ref that called the flop see through Brown's body to know if there was or wasn't contact made. The answer is he didn't see it one way or the other but made a call anyway.

Please, he puts no pressure on that arm. And it cant be frimly planted when he never even extends that arm, if he would have pushed off with that arm I would agree with you but he doesnt. AND the contact made is so minimal that there is no way Hood could be pushed over that far that easily. You make it sound like he drove his knee into the chest/gut of Hood yet the video shows it plainly that the knee barely makes contact. Look at the moment where his leg comes into contact...the amount of force that the leg creates does not match the recoil Hood shows when falling back. He didnt have the position he thought he did so he tried to sell it and got called out for it by the ref. He's lucky thats all he got, he could have been called for a blocking foul. But it was a no call, which to me was the right call as there wasnt enough contact by either party to warrant one.

We both know that Brown's arm didn't need to be extended. The placement of the bent arm and the movement of Brown's body provided all the force needed. By your logic all an offensive player has to do is keep their arm bent at the elbow and they can initiate all the contact they want and not draw a foul. Read more carefully and view the video less prejudicially. I didn't suggest any driving of a knee and the video didn't show any, but there was the whole length of the thigh against trunk of defender and again the movement of Brown's body into Hood was sufficient and obvious. You say there was a no call but it seems there was a call.

Disagree completely but the two of us were never going to agree at all. I have seen far more blatant and aggressive charges than that not get called in justcabout every level of basketball. Just because a player comes into contact with another doesnt mean there should be a foul especially when there wasnt enough contact to justify it. If that was the case there would have to be a foul on every possession and both teams would foul out before halftime.

There was a call, a warning for flopping which is exactly what Hood did. But that's all it was, a warning. No team was called for a foul and no team shot free throws. I have watched that clip more than I can count and I can unbiasedly say that I still see it that way. Maybe you should try looking again without those blue covered glasses on.

That is all I'm going to say on the matter. Have yourself a good day and may the best team win today

[BelgradeBobcat]

Weber State round II. Both games tip off at noon-so I'll be watching one on the TV and one on the laptop:

Women: Coming off a 49 point win I would expect Weber State to play better-maybe even hit a few threes. Our team will have to guard against coming out flat and uninspired. It's all about each player getting just a little bit better. It should be a comfortable win in the end, but probably not 49 points comfortable.

Men: Weber State's strategy will be to swarm Xavier Bishop and put him on the floor as much as possible while going right at Belo and getting him in foul trouble. We need someone to step up-Adamu, Hood, Patterson, Gazeles, Mohamed...We have to figure out how to get stops. Last season the zone worked really good against them, but this is an almost completely different Weber State squad. I always keep my expectations pretty low when playing in the purple palace-which is usually a house of horrors for the Bobcats...except on that rare occasion when it isn't.

[Joe Bobcat]

Looking forward to both of today's games. I hope the women can get into another play everyone and rest starters while getting experience for the reserves type of game. I know the men can beat Weber and this will be a good test to see how they will respond to the other nights loss. These back to back games this year have made for some interesting dynamics. One thing I noticed is that twice this year Weber has blown out their opponent in the first game and then lost close games in the second matchup. Lets hope that our Bobcats make that happen today with a good performance.

[BobcatDel]

Martell 5 treys from bypassing Squires into #3 all time. Probably not doable today.

[BobcatDel]

Lady BobCats a bit flatter than Thursday but Weber showing they have something to prove. Up 19-17 at Q1.

[MSU01]

Lady BobCats a bit flatter than Thursday but Weber showing they have something to prove. Up 19-17 at Q1.

Unbelievably sloppy game so far, this is a complete turnaround from how they played Thursday.

Edit: Of course, MSU goes on a 16-0 run to end the half as soon as I post this. From down 24-22 to up 38-24.

[BobcatDel]

Lady BobCats a bit flatter than Thursday but Weber showing they have something to prove. Up 19-17 at Q1.

Unbelievably sloppy game so far, this is a complete turnaround from how they played Thursday.

Edit: Of course, MSU goes on a 16-0 run to end the half as soon as I post this. From down 24-22 to up 38-24.

But I agreed with your first comment!! They are just “off”. Weber definitely playing tougher and faster today though.

Then VanSickle buries a 3 and Beattie dumps in a couple 3s and Mocchi decides it’s her turn for a 3. Bench can be big in a game like this.

[BelgradeBobcat]

Women looked like they were playing with their hair on fire-but not in a good way. I think they just needed to back it off a notch and everything will be fine. Credit to the Wildcats who made a game of it-even getting a lead for a while.

Men trail by 4. Weber still can't miss from out. I feel like we're one run away from being buried in this one. Belo is having a nightmare of a game-he can't hit anything from point blank range. We came out in a zone-I think it helped, but we're not playing as well offensively. Missed some key free throws too-while Weber never misses theirs.

[Bobcat4Ever]

@WSUWILDCAT Hi, thanks for checking in here again. I do have a question for you. Weber has traditionally been good at both men’s and women’s basketball. The women’s team hasn’t been as successful, but lately they have gone from bad to worse. I was shocked to see they had no wins this season. What has happened there to women’s basketball?