Basketball random stuff

[JimboCat]

No open scholarships, but it would be great to see Glancey in a Bobcat uniform.

[Joe Bobcat]

How many players go with her? I would think the number one candidate has to be Glancy with Feldman a close second. This could gut NAU.

Feldman and Neverson (Big Sky Reserve of the Year) are already in the portal and it would be a shock if Glancey isn't close behind. Coaching changes these days are basically going to require the new coach to start completely from scratch.

Man you're right on top of keeping track of the portal. Nice job and thanks.
Not that I'm going to keep an eye on the portal but what is a good site with all that info?

[MSU01]

How many players go with her? I would think the number one candidate has to be Glancy with Feldman a close second. This could gut NAU.

Feldman and Neverson (Big Sky Reserve of the Year) are already in the portal and it would be a shock if Glancey isn't close behind. Coaching changes these days are basically going to require the new coach to start completely from scratch.

Man you're right on top of keeping track of the portal. Nice job and thanks.
Not that I'm going to keep an eye on the portal but what is a good site with all that info?

Here's the page I have bookmarked for the women's portal, whoever runs it updates it very quickly and thoroughly.

https://wbbblog.com/womens-basketball-t ... i-2024-25/

[MSU01]

No open scholarships, but it would be great to see Glancey in a Bobcat uniform.

I think Glancey would almost certainly follow Payne to Santa Clara or go to a power conference program if she leaves, but it would be funny if Coach Bin could get the previous season's Big Sky leading scorer to transfer in for her senior year two seasons in a row.

[BobcatDel]

No open scholarships, but it would be great to see Glancey in a Bobcat uniform.

I think Glancey would almost certainly follow Payne to Santa Clara or go to a power conference program if she leaves, but it would be funny if Coach Bin could get the previous season's Big Sky leading scorer to transfer in for her senior year two seasons in a row.

I’m not sure how Glancey coming for one year would impact the team development and dynamics of Johnson, Dykstra, Harris, Deden, Erickson? Would you be willing to trade losing Dykstra or Harris for Glancey? Do you think we keep everyone if Glancey comes? Do you think Glancey has the character to fit in to the team chemistry as well as Esmee did?

Guess I would be more looking at Feldman. My concern here is that we had a dynamic guard rotation this year in Nat, Esme, Taylee, Dylan…..with Issy still developing and Hannah showing some potential in limited minutes. Esmee, Nat and Dylan being the true point guards in the group. Esmee is gone and a key question is do we think Dylan can be back to full speed after knee surgery or is she another medical red shirt for next season? Nat is solid in taking over the role but could Feldman strengthen that position? We’ve got some great freshman recruits coming but does Feldman give some more time for them to develop.

Just tossing out thoughts…. I’m sure Coach Bin has it handled a whole lot better than I do! But is an interesting group of players to speculate on. I suspect Nate Harris may have an interest in the situation too losing Dani Bartsch…….that would be my worst nightmare facing Glancey and Waddington in the middle.

[MSU01]

No open scholarships, but it would be great to see Glancey in a Bobcat uniform.

I think Glancey would almost certainly follow Payne to Santa Clara or go to a power conference program if she leaves, but it would be funny if Coach Bin could get the previous season's Big Sky leading scorer to transfer in for her senior year two seasons in a row.

I’m not sure how Glancey coming for one year would impact the team development and dynamics of Johnson, Dykstra, Harris, Deden, Erickson? Would you be willing to trade losing Dykstra or Harris for Glancey? Do you think we keep everyone if Glancey comes? Do you think Glancey has the character to fit in to the team chemistry as well as Esmee did?

Guess I would be more looking at Feldman. My concern here is that we had a dynamic guard rotation this year in Nat, Esme, Taylee, Dylan…..with Issy still developing and Hannah showing some potential in limited minutes. Esmee, Nat and Dylan being the true point guards in the group. Esmee is gone and a key question is do we think Dylan can be back to full speed after knee surgery or is she another medical red shirt for next season? Nat is solid in taking over the role but could Feldman strengthen that position? We’ve got some great freshman recruits coming but does Feldman give some more time for them to develop.

Just tossing out thoughts…. I’m sure Coach Bin has it handled a whole lot better than I do! But is an interesting group of players to speculate on. I suspect Nate Harris may have an interest in the situation too losing Dani Bartsch…….that would be my worst nightmare facing Glancey and Waddington in the middle.

I agree that point guard is likely a greater area of need for the Bobcats this off-season, especially if Dylan Philip's knee injury is severe enough that she's going to miss at least part of next season. It's probably moot to discuss Glancey coming to MSU anyway as I don't think it would happen. Feldman would be a great target but again, it seems highly likely she'll follow Payne to Santa Clara rather than seek out a new team within the Big Sky.

[AFCAT]

[AlfredEBobcat]

Maybe universities need to adopt some form of a buyout policy that applies to players entering the portal, just like a buyout clause when a coach bails. So a player would have to sign a letter of intent containing a buyout clause as part of their commitment ( a buyout clause maybe based on a graduated scale based on performance and/or accolades, which thus has drawn interest of other teams to start with). Then the university landing the portal player would pay the departed university which would in turn be used as NIL or Collective $ to be available to players staying or new ones coming in to the team that lost a player. Or some other form with teeth in it in favor of the team losing a player. Right now there are no consequences to a player for leaving via portal or a team acquiring them.

[MSU01]

Maybe universities need to adopt some form of a buyout policy that applies to players entering the portal, just like a buyout clause when a coach bails. So a player would have to sign a letter of intent containing a buyout clause as part of their commitment ( a buyout clause maybe based on a graduated scale based on performance and/or accolades, which thus has drawn interest of other teams to start with). Then the university landing the portal player would pay the departed university which would in turn be used as NIL or Collective $ to be available to players staying or new ones coming in to the team that lost a player. Or some other form with teeth in it in favor of the team losing a player. Right now there are no consequences to a player for leaving via portal or a team acquiring them.

If scholarships continue to be awarded by the institutions on a year-by-year basis, I don't see how it would make sense or be legal to institute financial penalties for players who play an entire season, honoring the terms of their scholarship, and then choose to transfer. If players at some point can sign multi-year contracts or scholarship agreements, then maybe this idea would be more feasible.

[BobcatDel]

Maybe universities need to adopt some form of a buyout policy that applies to players entering the portal, just like a buyout clause when a coach bails. So a player would have to sign a letter of intent containing a buyout clause as part of their commitment ( a buyout clause maybe based on a graduated scale based on performance and/or accolades, which thus has drawn interest of other teams to start with). Then the university landing the portal player would pay the departed university which would in turn be used as NIL or Collective $ to be available to players staying or new ones coming in to the team that lost a player. Or some other form with teeth in it in favor of the team losing a player. Right now there are no consequences to a player for leaving via portal or a team acquiring them.

If scholarships continue to be awarded by the institutions on a year-by-year basis, I don't see how it would make sense or be legal to institute financial penalties for players who play an entire season, honoring the terms of their scholarship, and then choose to transfer. If players at some point can sign multi-year contracts or scholarship agreements, then maybe this idea would be more feasible.

I don’t know how you commit to multi year scholarships. I had an academic scholarship the last 2 years in school…..but to keep it I had to meet certain grade point and behavior standards….in other words if I didn’t keep grades up, got thrown in jail a few times, slept in the gutter, had an assault charge filed against me by someone, and rammed my car into the girls dorm….well perhaps I shouldn’t have a multi year scholarship. Think our athletes should be expected to meet certain standards on and off the court to keep their scholarships too.

I think it is possible to put a value on the time spent that the school should get paid for. We have provided at no cost to the athlete…. training facilities, strength coaches, nutrition programs, film and TV exposure, injury rehabilitation programs and equipment, health and wellness consulting, we have provided coaching and skill development to get them from high school to higher college level ball, health insurance, education, etc etc. There is intrinsic value to those programs just like you personally seeking exercise coaching at the Ridge for health reasons or using physical therapy for your old guy injury or use of weight training facilities because you want to be the next Mr.Old Guy America or just to impress the future Miss Female America or the nutrition program your doc says after a health scare and you seek help through professionals….all of which cost you personally. I think the value of those facility and services can easily be $50,000 per year….but one could put a number to it….it’s an investment in the person as an athlete, as a student both mentally and physically.

[MSU01]

Maybe universities need to adopt some form of a buyout policy that applies to players entering the portal, just like a buyout clause when a coach bails. So a player would have to sign a letter of intent containing a buyout clause as part of their commitment ( a buyout clause maybe based on a graduated scale based on performance and/or accolades, which thus has drawn interest of other teams to start with). Then the university landing the portal player would pay the departed university which would in turn be used as NIL or Collective $ to be available to players staying or new ones coming in to the team that lost a player. Or some other form with teeth in it in favor of the team losing a player. Right now there are no consequences to a player for leaving via portal or a team acquiring them.

If scholarships continue to be awarded by the institutions on a year-by-year basis, I don't see how it would make sense or be legal to institute financial penalties for players who play an entire season, honoring the terms of their scholarship, and then choose to transfer. If players at some point can sign multi-year contracts or scholarship agreements, then maybe this idea would be more feasible.

I don’t know how you commit to multi year scholarships. I had an academic scholarship the last 2 years in school…..but to keep it I had to meet certain grade point and behavior standards….in other words if I didn’t keep grades up, got thrown in jail a few times, slept in the gutter, had an assault charge filed against me by someone, and rammed my car into the girls dorm….well perhaps I shouldn’t have a multi year scholarship. Think our athletes should be expected to meet certain standards on and off the court to keep their scholarships too.

I think it is possible to put a value on the time spent that the school should get paid for. We have provided at no cost to the athlete…. training facilities, strength coaches, nutrition programs, film and TV exposure, injury rehabilitation programs and equipment, health and wellness consulting, we have provided coaching and skill development to get them from high school to higher college level ball, health insurance, education, etc etc. There is intrinsic value to those programs just like you personally seeking exercise coaching at the Ridge for health reasons or using physical therapy for your old guy injury or use of weight training facilities because you want to be the next Mr.Old Guy America or just to impress the future Miss Female America or the nutrition program your doc says after a health scare and you seek help through professionals….all of which cost you personally. I think the value of those facility and services can easily be $50,000 per year….but one could put a number to it….it’s an investment in the person as an athlete, as a student both mentally and physically.

Attempting to charge players on their way out for services provided to them while they were active members of the team sounds like a great way to ensure that no player will ever come play for your school in the first place. When I left my last job I'm sure glad the company didn't try to charge me retroactively for the money they spent on my health insurance, work-related travel, and technology/supplies they provided me while I was working for them and doing my job well.

I agree that multi-year scholarships commitments don't seem like something that's feasible or likely to happen. But as long as they don't happen then whether we like it or not, college athletics is a year-to-year business and there are no guarantees when a player signs with a team beyond one year at a time.

[Joe Bobcat]

Maybe I'm looking at this wrong but I don't view it as the student athlete that should pay the school they're leaving but rather the school that is pulling the athlete away from the school that has invested in the development of that student athlete. That lines up far closer to who pays a buyout when a coach is pulled from one school to another.

[84CatGrad]

If Joe Smith transfers from Little State U to Big State U and gets an NIL deal worth $250K/year, Big State U has to pay Little State U 25% of that, or $62.5K/year in this case.

[BobcatDel]

Maybe universities need to adopt some form of a buyout policy that applies to players entering the portal, just like a buyout clause when a coach bails. So a player would have to sign a letter of intent containing a buyout clause as part of their commitment ( a buyout clause maybe based on a graduated scale based on performance and/or accolades, which thus has drawn interest of other teams to start with). Then the university landing the portal player would pay the departed university which would in turn be used as NIL or Collective $ to be available to players staying or new ones coming in to the team that lost a player. Or some other form with teeth in it in favor of the team losing a player. Right now there are no consequences to a player for leaving via portal or a team acquiring them.

If scholarships continue to be awarded by the institutions on a year-by-year basis, I don't see how it would make sense or be legal to institute financial penalties for players who play an entire season, honoring the terms of their scholarship, and then choose to transfer. If players at some point can sign multi-year contracts or scholarship agreements, then maybe this idea would be more feasible.

I don’t know how you commit to multi year scholarships. I had an academic scholarship the last 2 years in school…..but to keep it I had to meet certain grade point and behavior standards….in other words if I didn’t keep grades up, got thrown in jail a few times, slept in the gutter, had an assault charge filed against me by someone, and rammed my car into the girls dorm….well perhaps I shouldn’t have a multi year scholarship. Think our athletes should be expected to meet certain standards on and off the court to keep their scholarships too.

I think it is possible to put a value on the time spent that the school should get paid for. We have provided at no cost to the athlete…. training facilities, strength coaches, nutrition programs, film and TV exposure, injury rehabilitation programs and equipment, health and wellness consulting, we have provided coaching and skill development to get them from high school to higher college level ball, health insurance, education, etc etc. There is intrinsic value to those programs just like you personally seeking exercise coaching at the Ridge for health reasons or using physical therapy for your old guy injury or use of weight training facilities because you want to be the next Mr.Old Guy America or just to impress the future Miss Female America or the nutrition program your doc says after a health scare and you seek help through professionals….all of which cost you personally. I think the value of those facility and services can easily be $50,000 per year….but one could put a number to it….it’s an investment in the person as an athlete, as a student both mentally and physically.

Attempting to charge players on their way out for services provided to them while they were active members of the team sounds like a great way to ensure that no player will ever come play for your school in the first place. When I left my last job I'm sure glad the company didn't try to charge me retroactively for the money they spent on my health insurance, work-related travel, and technology/supplies they provided me while I was working for them and doing my job well.

I agree that multi-year scholarships commitments don't seem like something that's feasible or likely to happen. But as long as they don't happen then whether we like it or not, college athletics is a year-to-year business and there are no guarantees when a player signs with a team beyond one year at a time.

The athlete isn’t paying anything as Joe Bobcat points out. If a large university can hire agents to lure players away from schools and lay down six figure sums to extract an athlete from an existing program then they can pay a “development fee” compensating a university like Montana State for being a farm team developing skill levels to meet their new team needs. I think that case could be successfully won in court if a school wanted to challenge it.

I can see a different scenario for kids that are leaving because they aren’t going to see the court and are going someplace to get on the court or the kids that leave because of coaching changes, etc. But even then I can see some fee being paid by the acquiring university if the losing school wanted to retain the athlete because of future potential….and the athlete left.

And in the real business world you can lose pay or benefits leaving. We often gave signing bonuses to acquire a particular employee frequently paid over 3 to 5 years…if you left before the time frame you lost that portion of the bonus. Some companies have a time frame you have to stay to retain the company match in your savings plan or to become fully vested in your retirement plans….and when I left my last employer I left a significant annual bonus payment on the table. My point being that to leave there was a cost to me personally that I had to negotiate with the new employer to “keep me whole”.

Probably a moot point because until someone takes it to court or contracts become part of the business world it won’t happen. But I agree with the idea conceptually.

[MSU01]

If Joe Smith transfers from Little State U to Big State U and gets an NIL deal worth $250K/year, Big State U has to pay Little State U 25% of that, or $62.5K/year in this case.

Color me skeptical that the "Big State U" group that holds the vast majority of the money and power within the NCAA is going to get on board with this model.

[tetoncat]

Reality is probably 50 or so schools playing at top levels of major sports then another tier, then d2, d3, naia. FCS level of all sports. Top level doesn't want others in the championship ship levels. TV revenue will continue to drive it

[SACCAT]

If Joe Smith transfers from Little State U to Big State U and gets an NIL deal worth $250K/year, Big State U has to pay Little State U 25% of that, or $62.5K/year in this case.

Color me skeptical that the "Big State U" group that holds the vast majority of the money and power within the NCAA is going to get on board with this model.

And, as of right now, "Big State U" isn't giving them any money. They are getting their money from NIL, so I don't think that would work. Love the idea though.

[AFCAT]

[Bobcat4Ever]

Do the Bobcat women need a strong mobile player who will grab offensive rebounds all day? Well, Cotie McMahon of the 1 and only Ohio state university of the Big 18 conference has used the transfer portal software to add her name to the transfer pool.

I’d think she’s everything they are looking for, and Coach Bin might help her with a little ‘tude tuneup. She is quite obviously following the Angel Reese path of notoriety to a mini-fortune as a WNBA entertainer. If you can’t outplay them, then upstage them.

[AFCAT]

Do the Bobcat women need a strong mobile player who will grab offensive rebounds all day? Well, Cotie McMahon of the 1 and only Ohio state university of the Big 18 conference has used the transfer portal software to add her name to the transfer pool.

I’d think she’s everything they are looking for, and Coach Bin might help her with a little ‘tude tuneup. She is quite obviously following the Angel Reese path of notoriety to a mini-fortune as a WNBA entertainer. If you can’t outplay them, then upstage them.

Yes on the bolded area. The Cats needs some muscle down low.

Cotie McMahon isn't about to come to MSU.