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[AFCAT]

With the exception of two years under Sprinkle, this program in mired in the .500 ball range. I just don’t know what it will take anymore. And they need to start beating the gris more than once in a while. This is getting ridiculous.

What’s it going to take? A point guard.

...or just a leader.

What does a leader look like to you? Because I can point out 2 or 3 guys who left their hearts out on that floor last night. If your definition of a leader is a guy who just scores a lot of points I guess we have different definitions. But without those 2 or 3 guys this team gets their doors blown off by 40 and has a record that looks like Weber.

I’m talking about all season. Bishop and Ford were great leaders and players. Scoring has nothing to do with it, although all those guys managed to do that too.

So you’re discrediting what Patterson, Lecholat and, McMahon have done for this program the last 4-5 years? Heck even Jed. Those guys have dumped their soul into this program. They could have left many times over but stuck around to be a part of something bigger. And obviously we’re missing key things from inside the locker room but I’d say those are quality leaders.

If you want on the court examples, just watch the game again and look at what Sam was doing every possession on defense and on offense. Someone gets beat on the drive, he’s there to make a massive block. He gets a huge offensive board and has the court vision to dish the ball to Pat for a huge dunk. He consistently boxes out the other teams best defender and clears the lane for others to clean the glass.
He’s the heart and soul of this team and even though he might not be a pure scorer, his presence on the court makes everyone better. That’s a leader

Ok.

[MSU01]

To be a great college team you need great point guards first and foremost. Sprinkle had two of the best MSU has ever had. Last season we had Robert Ford and Eddie Turner (who was magnificent at the end of the season). This year we got better when Zephir started playing better and Jed Miller has had flashes, but can't defend the better guards in our league. Neither Zephir or Miller are close to all league-and that's what you need. Next you need some rim protection. We were a bad team last year until Jon Olmstead emerged. Sprinkle of course had Jubrile Belo and Great Osobor.

Having Eddie Turner on this year's team would have been a huge help. Not sure what happened with him, he announced he was transferring to Howard but isn't on their roster and doesn't appear to have played this year anywhere.

[Desert_Bobcat]

With the exception of two years under Sprinkle, this program in mired in the .500 ball range. I just don’t know what it will take anymore. And they need to start beating the gris more than once in a while. This is getting ridiculous.

What’s it going to take? A point guard.

...or just a leader.

What does a leader look like to you? Because I can point out 2 or 3 guys who left their hearts out on that floor last night. If your definition of a leader is a guy who just scores a lot of points I guess we have different definitions. But without those 2 or 3 guys this team gets their doors blown off by 40 and has a record that looks like Weber.

I’m talking about all season. Bishop and Ford were great leaders and players. Scoring has nothing to do with it, although all those guys managed to do that too.

So you’re discrediting what Patterson, Lecholat and, McMahon have done for this program the last 4-5 years? Heck even Jed. Those guys have dumped their soul into this program. They could have left many times over but stuck around to be a part of something bigger. And obviously we’re missing key things from inside the locker room but I’d say those are quality leaders.

If you want on the court examples, just watch the game again and look at what Sam was doing every possession on defense and on offense. Someone gets beat on the drive, he’s there to make a massive block. He gets a huge offensive board and has the court vision to dish the ball to Pat for a huge dunk. He consistently boxes out the other teams best defender and clears the lane for others to clean the glass.
He’s the heart and soul of this team and even though he might not be a pure scorer, his presence on the court makes everyone better. That’s a leader

Look i appreciate what your saying and your thoughts on leadership. But a leader would be someone that people fallow. They can lead by example. They can lead by being vocal. But they motivate everyone to be better. Playing good doesn't equate to leadership. We've seen plenty of good players who weren't leaders. I don't now if there is or isn't a solid leader on this team. I suspect not. Everyone knew Ford was the leader of the team last year. If people are wondering who the leader is, we probably don't have a cut and dry leader.

I get this take. I just don’t agree when people say there isn’t a leader when there are guys who are clearly trying to will their team to be better. You think Sam hyping up the crowd, Jabe or Jed clapping hands with everyone coming off the floor is just for show? Those are displays of leadership.
This team doesn’t have a Rob or Darius. I think that’s what they’re saying. And for the record, I don’t disagree. Having your leader be the primary ball handler is always easier.
But to discredit or not mention the players who are actively trying to display leadership on and for this team doesn’t sit right with me.
I don’t know, I might be contradicting myself with some takes I’ve made in the past but at this point in the season we should be applauding any kind of leadership being displayed on and off the court.

[Cataholic]

With the exception of two years under Sprinkle, this program in mired in the .500 ball range. I just don’t know what it will take anymore. And they need to start beating the gris more than once in a while. This is getting ridiculous.

What’s it going to take? A point guard.

...or just a leader.

What does a leader look like to you? Because I can point out 2 or 3 guys who left their hearts out on that floor last night. If your definition of a leader is a guy who just scores a lot of points I guess we have different definitions. But without those 2 or 3 guys this team gets their doors blown off by 40 and has a record that looks like Weber.

I’m talking about all season. Bishop and Ford were great leaders and players. Scoring has nothing to do with it, although all those guys managed to do that too.

So you’re discrediting what Patterson, Lecholat and, McMahon have done for this program the last 4-5 years? Heck even Jed. Those guys have dumped their soul into this program. They could have left many times over but stuck around to be a part of something bigger. And obviously we’re missing key things from inside the locker room but I’d say those are quality leaders.

If you want on the court examples, just watch the game again and look at what Sam was doing every possession on defense and on offense. Someone gets beat on the drive, he’s there to make a massive block. He gets a huge offensive board and has the court vision to dish the ball to Pat for a huge dunk. He consistently boxes out the other teams best defender and clears the lane for others to clean the glass.
He’s the heart and soul of this team and even though he might not be a pure scorer, his presence on the court makes everyone better. That’s a leader

Look i appreciate what your saying and your thoughts on leadership. But a leader would be someone that people fallow. They can lead by example. They can lead by being vocal. But they motivate everyone to be better. Playing good doesn't equate to leadership. We've seen plenty of good players who weren't leaders. I don't now if there is or isn't a solid leader on this team. I suspect not. Everyone knew Ford was the leader of the team last year. If people are wondering who the leader is, we probably don't have a cut and dry leader.

I get this take. I just don’t agree when people say there isn’t a leader when there are guys who are clearly trying to will their team to be better. You think Sam hyping up the crowd, Jabe or Jed clapping hands with everyone coming off the floor is just for show? Those are displays of leadership.
This team doesn’t have a Rob or Darius. I think that’s what they’re saying. And for the record, I don’t disagree. Having your leader be the primary ball handler is always easier.
But to discredit or not mention the players who are actively trying to display leadership on and for this team doesn’t sit right with me.
I don’t know, I might be contradicting myself with some takes I’ve made in the past but at this point in the season we should be applauding any kind of leadership being displayed on and off the court.

You are spot on about the commitment of these guys. I love Sam, Tyler and Patrick. They don’t have to be vocal to be leaders. They never complain and always give 100% effort. True team guys. That should be recognized. Sam specifically does the dirty work and lets the other guys get the headlines. I don’t feel like Coach has rewarded that this year, and that is on Logie.

[HookedOnGriz]

I’m no basketball coach but your best player(and it’s not even close) is McMahon. Why in the world wouldn’t you have him on the court for the most minutes possible. That transfer portal is too appealing to not maximize your best player. I was shocked he doesn’t start.

[BelgradeBobcat]

I’m no basketball coach but your best player(and it’s not even close) is McMahon. Why in the world wouldn’t you have him on the court for the most minutes possible. That transfer portal is too appealing to not maximize your best player. I was shocked he doesn’t start.

He started earlier in the season and was slumping. As soon as he came off the bench his numbers went way up. They take turns being the best player, but they haven't figured out how to all play well at the same time.

[Bobcat4Ever]

With the exception of two years under Sprinkle, this program in mired in the .500 ball range. I just don’t know what it will take anymore. And they need to start beating the gris more than once in a while. This is getting ridiculous.

What’s it going to take? A point guard.

...or just a leader.

What does a leader look like to you? Because I can point out 2 or 3 guys who left their hearts out on that floor last night. If your definition of a leader is a guy who just scores a lot of points I guess we have different definitions. But without those 2 or 3 guys this team gets their doors blown off by 40 and has a record that looks like Weber.

I’m talking about all season. Bishop and Ford were great leaders and players. Scoring has nothing to do with it, although all those guys managed to do that too.

So you’re discrediting what Patterson, Lecholat and, McMahon have done for this program the last 4-5 years? Heck even Jed. Those guys have dumped their soul into this program. They could have left many times over but stuck around to be a part of something bigger. And obviously we’re missing key things from inside the locker room but I’d say those are quality leaders.

If you want on the court examples, just watch the game again and look at what Sam was doing every possession on defense and on offense. Someone gets beat on the drive, he’s there to make a massive block. He gets a huge offensive board and has the court vision to dish the ball to Pat for a huge dunk. He consistently boxes out the other teams best defender and clears the lane for others to clean the glass.
He’s the heart and soul of this team and even though he might not be a pure scorer, his presence on the court makes everyone better. That’s a leader

Amen! A few weeks ago the best lineup was last year’s dudes + Zephir. But now I think some of the other guys are starting to catch on and follow their leadership. And that’s why I explicitly said this team needed a point guard — I was thinking what this team would be like right now with Harry, the X man, Darius Brown or Robert Ford. They were all exceptional. Now we have Zephir + Jed + Jabe. Who’s getting close?

[Bobcat4Ever]

To be a great college team you need great point guards first and foremost. Sprinkle had two of the best MSU has ever had. Last season we had Robert Ford and Eddie Turner (who was magnificent at the end of the season). This year we got better when Zephir started playing better and Jed Miller has had flashes, but can't defend the better guards in our league. Neither Zephir or Miller are close to all league-and that's what you need. Next you need some rim protection. We were a bad team last year until Jon Olmstead emerged. Sprinkle of course had Jubrile Belo and Great Osobor.

Having Eddie Turner on this year's team would have been a huge help. Not sure what happened with him, he announced he was transferring to Howard but isn't on their roster and doesn't appear to have played this year anywhere.

Hmmm. That’s interesting. Maybe he just went right off into the business world — I’m thinking he was the one that had some pretty good offers. We could use him. I suppose the Canadian guard that transferred to Maine would have been out of eligibility by now (his name escapes me).

[4KornerKat]

To be a great college team you need great point guards first and foremost. Sprinkle had two of the best MSU has ever had. Last season we had Robert Ford and Eddie Turner (who was magnificent at the end of the season). This year we got better when Zephir started playing better and Jed Miller has had flashes, but can't defend the better guards in our league. Neither Zephir or Miller are close to all league-and that's what you need. Next you need some rim protection. We were a bad team last year until Jon Olmstead emerged. Sprinkle of course had Jubrile Belo and Great Osobor.

Having Eddie Turner on this year's team would have been a huge help. Not sure what happened with him, he announced he was transferring to Howard but isn't on their roster and doesn't appear to have played this year anywhere.

Hmmm. That’s interesting. Maybe he just went right off into the business world — I’m thinking he was the one that had some pretty good offers. We could use him. I suppose the Canadian guard that transferred to Maine would have been out of eligibility by now (his name escapes me).

He was at a game a month or two ago, I think I heard he decided to take the high paying job on Wall Street and give up basketball.

[WalkOn79]

To be a great college team you need great point guards first and foremost. Sprinkle had two of the best MSU has ever had. Last season we had Robert Ford and Eddie Turner (who was magnificent at the end of the season). This year we got better when Zephir started playing better and Jed Miller has had flashes, but can't defend the better guards in our league. Neither Zephir or Miller are close to all league-and that's what you need. Next you need some rim protection. We were a bad team last year until Jon Olmstead emerged. Sprinkle of course had Jubrile Belo and Great Osobor.

Having Eddie Turner on this year's team would have been a huge help. Not sure what happened with him, he announced he was transferring to Howard but isn't on their roster and doesn't appear to have played this year anywhere.

Hmmm. That’s interesting. Maybe he just went right off into the business world — I’m thinking he was the one that had some pretty good offers. We could use him. I suppose the Canadian guard that transferred to Maine would have been out of eligibility by now (his name escapes me).

The kid that went to Maine (Kellen Tynes) is likely to be all-league out there this year.