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downunder wrote:Overpaid

No kidding!!!

downunder wrote:Overpaid

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I agree. It's a joke that she actually makes more money than Tinkle. I don't understand why she gets a pass from MSU fans, while everyone is calling for Huse's head, but I suppose that's primarily just due to of the higher level of fan interest and media attention for MBB vs. WBB. The women's February swoons have been even worse than the men's the past two seasons. They started out a combined 14-2 the last two years, and then went a combined 5-17 the rest of the way. The only way her record looks good is if it's compared to Huse's.

Overpaid ? Maybe ? What are the salaries of other womens basketball coaches and their records ?

and yes she should get as much grief as any other coach.

Hawks86 wrote:Overpaid ? Maybe ? What are the salaries of other womens basketball coaches and their records ?

and yes she should get as much grief as any other coach.

She makes almost as much as Selvig, which is a joke, considering that he's won about 20 BSC titles.

John K wrote:

Hawks86 wrote:Overpaid ? Maybe ? What are the salaries of other womens basketball coaches and their records ?

and yes she should get as much grief as any other coach.

She makes almost as much as Selvig, which is a joke, considering that he's won about 20 BSC titles.

Yes it is a joke how much Selvig and Tinkle get paid.

Hawks86 wrote:

John K wrote:

Hawks86 wrote:Overpaid ? Maybe ? What are the salaries of other womens basketball coaches and their records ?

and yes she should get as much grief as any other coach.

She makes almost as much as Selvig, which is a joke, considering that he's won about 20 BSC titles.

Yes it is a joke how much Selvig and Tinkle get paid.

They don't make that much more than their counterparts at MSU, despite having produced infinitely better results. and in Selvig's case at least, having done it over a span of many years. If Binford and Huse coached until they were 100, they probably wouldn't win as many BSC titles combined, as Selvig has won in his career. Frankly, I'd be ecstatic if either of them ever win even one title.

John K wrote:

Hawks86 wrote:

John K wrote:

Hawks86 wrote:Overpaid ? Maybe ? What are the salaries of other womens basketball coaches and their records ?

and yes she should get as much grief as any other coach.

She makes almost as much as Selvig, which is a joke, considering that he's won about 20 BSC titles.

Yes it is a joke how much Selvig and Tinkle get paid.

They don't make that much more than their counterparts at MSU, despite having produced infinitely better results. and in Selvig's case at least, having done it over a span of many years. If Binford and Huse coached until they were 100, they probably wouldn't win as many BSC titles combined, as Selvig has won in his career. Frankly, I'd be ecstatic if either of them ever win even one title.

I predict bothwin a title in 2025.

The women's collapses are equal to the men's in most years, and this year are actually much worse.

As long as both teams hover around .500, regardless of tournament births, I think they both have jobs as long as they want. Which is sad, but they both run fairly clean programs. I think that is all Fields wants.

CelticCat wrote:The women's collapses are equal to the men's in most years, and this year are actually much worse.

As long as both teams hover around .500, regardless of tournament births, I think they both have jobs as long as they want. Which is sad, but they both run fairly clean programs. I think that is all Fields wants.

This exactly.

We can think she is overpaid all we want but in the end that boils down to whether or not she is meeting the milestones and requirements put on her by her boss--Mr. Fields. My gut tells me that she is meeting those goals.

Hawks86 wrote:

John K wrote:

Hawks86 wrote:Overpaid ? Maybe ? What are the salaries of other womens basketball coaches and their records ?

and yes she should get as much grief as any other coach.

She makes almost as much as Selvig, which is a joke, considering that he's won about 20 BSC titles.

Yes it is a joke how much Selvig and Tinkle get paid.

Binford makes almost $8,000 more that Tinkle??

When she got the raise, it seemed that the program was coming around very well, since then it has been downhill.

Interesting that the total coaches salaries, benefits,etc. paid by the university is $444,234 at UM and $387,096 at MSU. UM also gets an additional $99,500 from 3rd party contributions to salaries and MSU gets $0.

Both Huse and Binford would've been fired at UM by now. They value winning in hoops, MSU apparently does not.

aucat wrote:Both Huse and Binford would've been fired at UM by now. They value winning in hoops, MSU apparently does not.

I think that is spot on. The griz fired Don Holtz after he won the big sky tournament and went to the dance. They knew he wasn't the guy to lead the program further.

One problem that I have had with comparing salaries of men's vs women's coaches is revenue generation. As bad as the men have been the last 8 years, they still generate 10x the revenues. Why that is not a consideration in the salaries is beyond me. Having said that none of MSU's coaches make ridiculous money.

dwainegf wrote:One problem that I have had with comparing salaries of men's vs women's coaches is revenue generation. As bad as the men have been the last 8 years, they still generate 10x the revenues. Why that is not a consideration in the salaries is beyond me. Having said that none of MSU's coaches make ridiculous money.

All about perspective. In the grand scheme of college basketball, they are on the low end of salary scale. In the grand scheme of median Montana income, they are making bank. Title IX is the big equalizer when it comes to salaries regardless of revenue. I don't know how the big schools get around it because you know that Pitino and Calapari make a heck of a lot more than the women's coaches.

Title nine makes them have the scholarships. The alumni pick up the difference in contracts, at least that is my understanding of the way it works. I am sure the women's coach at U Conn makes a lot more than the coach at Northwestern. That is because he brings in the revenue. I live in Utah and our cost of living is only slightly higher than that in Montana. Wages are also slightly higher. The men's coaches make much more than the MSU coaches. Granted the football team plays in a higher division. I just don't see MSU drawing the kind of coach that can turn around the program and I am fairly certain that if they did the coach wouldn't stay long due to better offers elsewhere.

dwainegf wrote:Title nine makes them have the scholarships. The alumni pick up the difference in contracts, at least that is my understanding of the way it works. I am sure the women's coach at U Conn makes a lot more than the coach at Northwestern. That is because he brings in the revenue. I live in Utah and our cost of living is only slightly higher than that in Montana. Wages are also slightly higher. The men's coaches make much more than the MSU coaches. Granted the football team plays in a higher division. I just don't see MSU drawing the kind of coach that can turn around the program and I am fairly certain that if they did the coach wouldn't stay long due to better offers elsewhere.

I agree. We won't know what we have until we lose it.with what we can pay, we probably have the best coaches money can buy!

Helcat72 wrote:

dwainegf wrote:Title nine makes them have the scholarships. The alumni pick up the difference in contracts, at least that is my understanding of the way it works. I am sure the women's coach at U Conn makes a lot more than the coach at Northwestern. That is because he brings in the revenue. I live in Utah and our cost of living is only slightly higher than that in Montana. Wages are also slightly higher. The men's coaches make much more than the MSU coaches. Granted the football team plays in a higher division. I just don't see MSU drawing the kind of coach that can turn around the program and I am fairly certain that if they did the coach wouldn't stay long due to better offers elsewhere.

I agree. We won't know what we have until we lose it.with what we can pay, we probably have the best coaches money can buy!

I'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous. We pay our coaches approximately the same as UM pays theirs, and their men's and women's programs have been very successful, for many years. For that matter, I would think that our salaries are probably comparable, if not better, than most ot the other BSC programs. I don't expect us to become the dominant program in the conference, but I do think we should consistently be among the top 3 or 4 in the league. Those are fairly modest goals, but it would represent a significant improvement from what we've been over the past 15 years or so. And so what if a coach comes in and revives the program, but leaves after after 4-5 years? If/when he leaves for another job, the program will then be a much more attractive opportunity for some other coach. Lots of collegiate sports programs continue to be successful, even after the coach who turned the program around has left for greener pastures. Dan Hawkins got things rolling at BSU, but their program didn't disintegrate after he left for Colorado. Quite the contrary, Peterson came in riding the momentum that began under Hawkins, and took them to an even higher level.