The last 4 years

[wbtfg]

Record vs D1 Schools: 43-67, 0.391
Record vs Big Sky Conf: 33-40 0.452
Record vs UM: 0-8
Average RPI: 281


Tell me again why this is acceptable?

[coachouert]

Record vs D1 Schools: 43-67, 0.391
Record vs Big Sky Conf: 33-40 0.452
Record vs UM: 0-8
Average RPI: 281


Tell me again why this is acceptable?

Because there's always next year?

[John K]

Record vs D1 Schools: 43-67, 0.391
Record vs Big Sky Conf: 33-40 0.452
Record vs UM: 0-8
Average RPI: 281


Tell me again why this is acceptable?

Because there's always next year?

Yeah, and because we've made the tourney for x consecutive seasons...oh wait...never mind.

[BelgradeBobcat]

Record vs D1 Schools: 43-67, 0.391
Record vs Big Sky Conf: 33-40 0.452
Record vs UM: 0-8
Average RPI: 281


Tell me again why this is acceptable?

We're close...so very close

[WeedKillinCat]

Athletic Department....are you listening???? Numbers don't lie....

[catpound]

Peter F doesn't have time to make a change...he's to busy drinking tea and eating crumpets. I loved his quote at halftime of the Cat/Griz game (the one that was actually televised) he said, "it sure is nice to be winning." Those figures don't look like winning figures to me, but what do I know I graduated from MSU

[John K]

Record vs D1 Schools: 43-67, 0.391
Record vs Big Sky Conf: 33-40 0.452
Record vs UM: 0-8
Average RPI: 281


Tell me again why this is acceptable?

We're close...so very close

I was clicking through the channels the other night and stumbled upon the Grizzly Sports Report. They said that our current 8-game losing streak vs. UM is the longest since WWII. So we can add that to all the other ugly numbers associated with MSU hoops.

[allcat]

Is Huse really named Brad, or is it really Earl?

[FTG06']

Does Don Bailey coach basketball too?

Better give him a call at this point.


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[mslacat]

This post could go in anyone of 4-5 current active threads, but I picked this one, truth is I just sent an email to a fellow Bobcat Basketball fan/MSU Booster and I thought it would make a a decent post with a little editing. I also want to admit that because of medical issues this year I did not get the opportunity to follow/watch the Bobcats as much as I am used to. A lot of what I want to talk about is simply results.

Concerning the current state of MSU Basketball, let me make it crystal clear, I have absolutely no confidence what-so-ever that Huse could coach our team in any given year, to better than a middle of the pack team finish. I could go into great detail as to what Huse does, in my opinion, that causes his teams to fall apart, but we are past all of that conjecture and armchair coaching the past 8 year of results speak for themselves. I know a great many of you did not like Mick Durham and advocated for his removal (I did not), but one thing you knew with Mick is that at any given year with the right circumstances he could win the conference or the tournament. I would like to point out the year Mick’s MSU team was unanimously pick by the coaches and media to finish dead last and he turned around won the damn conference title that year. As far as Huse goes,(again my opinion) you could put Rodney Stucky and Damien Lillard on the team and it would not change the results and would bet each would have a tough time scoring over 12 points a game for Huse. The anticipation of possibly winning a championship is the life blood of college sports, If the fans and boosters know they have NO chance to ever compete for a league championship then how can you expect to them to support the program. I have felt this was for about 2 ½ years and as a result have cut back my internet posting substantially since then ( observing the Thumper theory: "If you can not say anything nice don't say anything at all") When Fields signed Huse to another two year contract last year this thing turned from a Huse problem to a Fields problem. Fields though is insulated by the football program. As long as football is doing well I think Fields feels he is safe and can do whatever he wants with the other programs. Look I really like Huse as a person and I know he is very well liked and respected in the Athletic Department, but he was hired to do job and he is not getting it done. I know some of you may be business owners or managers and you have to have to make the tough decisions concerning employees that is not being done at MSU. I know in my small little business I have, on a couple occasions, had to let an employee go because, despite them being a wonderful person and someone I truly liked, they could not perform the job I hired them for. It has been eight years the job is not getting done and further more there is no indication that it will ever get done, it is time to move on.

One of the reason I have hesitate to come out forcefully on this issue is the large scale ramification this has on a number of different peoples lives. This affect the assistant coaches and families as well as the players. I truly believe we have on our roster some of the best over all talent in the league. Granted there are a couple players on the team that the coaches took a chance with and turned out to be boarder line D-1 players, but to be honest that is pretty typical on all teams in the Big Sky. What I also like about these players is that they are good quality citizens whom I am proud to have at MSU. So I want to make this perfectly clear while I am very critical of the MSU Basketball program the problem does not lie with the the players and I fully support this great bunch of guys. Among the assistant coaches coach Dirden is great assets to the program, if I was a Big Sky coach looking for an assistant I would not hesitate to hire him as my lead assistant and recruiter. Honestly he would be the one coach I would feel sorry for if they let Huse go. He came back to MSU from another D-1 program to help build the program and I feel he has done wonders in certain aspects of the program, and I appreciate that loyalty. I don't take lightly the content of this post I know it could effect a great number of people, if anyone were to take it seriously, but the consequences of not doing any thing will just postpone the inevitable and further damage a program that is on the cusp of being irreverent.

[MSU01]

I don't take lightly the content of this post I know it could effect a great number of people, if anyone were to take it seriously, but the consequences of not doing any thing will just postpone the inevitable and further damage a program that is on the cusp of being irreverent.

To save space I will only quote this part of your post, but very very well said throughout. I assume you mean irrelevant instead of irreverent, and I'd have to say you're being very kind in your assessment. I'd say MSU isn't on the cusp of being irrelevant, they're already there and have been so for several years now.

[LTown Cat]

I've been very hesitant about posting what I think but here goes. We can't demand change. Obviously that's falling on deaf ears. The one thing we can do unfortunately is hit where it hurts--money. I've thought long and hard about this. As long as fball is doing so well PF looks great. Bobcat Club membership is up with funds rolling in at all time highs. I hated doing it but this year I cut my membership amount in half. I realize that affects all sports but it's the only way I can see to show I want change. I'm not trying to encourage anyone to do the same but that's my avenue.

[LTown Cat]

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[hokeyfine]

NDSU will be making its second ncaa div.1 basketball tournament appearance since becoming div.1 in 2004.............

[wbtfg]

This post could go in anyone of 4-5 current active threads, but I picked this one, truth is I just sent an email to a fellow Bobcat Basketball fan/MSU Booster and I thought it would make a a decent post with a little editing. I also want to admit that because of medical issues this year I did not get the opportunity to follow/watch the Bobcats as much as I am used to. A lot of what I want to talk about is simply results.

Concerning the current state of MSU Basketball, let me make it crystal clear, I have absolutely no confidence what-so-ever that Huse could coach our team in any given year, to better than a middle of the pack team finish. I could go into great detail as to what Huse does, in my opinion, that causes his teams to fall apart, but we are past all of that conjecture and armchair coaching the past 8 year of results speak for themselves. I know a great many of you did not like Mick Durham and advocated for his removal (I did not), but one thing you knew with Mick is that at any given year with the right circumstances he could win the conference or the tournament. I would like to point out the year Mick’s MSU team was unanimously pick by the coaches and media to finish dead last and he turned around won the damn conference title that year. As far as Huse goes,(again my opinion) you could put Rodney Stucky and Damien Lillard on the team and it would not change the results and would bet each would have a tough time scoring over 12 points a game for Huse. The anticipation of possibly winning a championship is the life blood of college sports, If the fans and boosters know they have NO chance to ever compete for a league championship then how can you expect to them to support the program. I have felt this was for about 2 ½ years and as a result have cut back my internet posting substantially since then ( observing the Thumper theory: "If you can not say anything nice don't say anything at all") When Fields signed Huse to another two year contract last year this thing turned from a Huse problem to a Fields problem. Fields though is insulated by the football program. As long as football is doing well I think Fields feels he is safe and can do whatever he wants with the other programs. Look I really like Huse as a person and I know he is very well liked and respected in the Athletic Department, but he was hired to do job and he is not getting it done. I know some of you may be business owners or managers and you have to have to make the tough decisions concerning employees that is not being done at MSU. I know in my small little business I have, on a couple occasions, had to let an employee go because, despite them being a wonderful person and someone I truly liked, they could not perform the job I hired them for. It has been eight years the job is not getting done and further more there is no indication that it will ever get done, it is time to move on.

One of the reason I have hesitate to come out forcefully on this issue is the large scale ramification this has on a number of different peoples lives. This affect the assistant coaches and families as well as the players. I truly believe we have on our roster some of the best over all talent in the league. Granted there are a couple players on the team that the coaches took a chance with and turned out to be boarder line D-1 players, but to be honest that is pretty typical on all teams in the Big Sky. What I also like about these players is that they are good quality citizens whom I am proud to have at MSU. So I want to make this perfectly clear while I am very critical of the MSU Basketball program the problem does not lie with the the players and I fully support this great bunch of guys. Among the assistant coaches coach Dirden is great assets to the program, if I was a Big Sky coach looking for an assistant I would not hesitate to hire him as my lead assistant and recruiter. Honestly he would be the one coach I would feel sorry for if they let Huse go. He came back to MSU from another D-1 program to help build the program and I feel he has done wonders in certain aspects of the program, and I appreciate that loyalty. I don't take lightly the content of this post I know it could effect a great number of people, if anyone were to take it seriously, but the consequences of not doing any thing will just postpone the inevitable and further damage a program that is on the cusp of being irreverent.

Agreed on all aspects. I used to get pretty fired up about the upgrade in talent that Huse would bring in, now I'm realizing that it's pointless to get excited about our talent as the players seem to wilt in Huse's offensive system (using term loosely).

Also agree on Dirden. I think he's a fantastic up and coming coach and recruiter. I'd love to get rid of Brad right now, and have Shawn take over interim head coaching duties for next year and then hire on a low level assistant. That way we're still paying Huse's contract, but we aren't taking a major hit to the budget.

[DicTater]

"I truly believe we have on our roster some of the best over all talent in the league. Granted there are a couple players on the team that the coaches took a chance with and turned out to be boarder line D-1 players, but to be honest that is pretty typical on all teams in the Big Sky. What I also like about these players is that they are good quality citizens whom I am proud to have at MSU. So I want to make this perfectly clear while I am very critical of the MSU Basketball program the problem does not lie with the the players and I fully support this great bunch of guys."

As I wrote in another thread, with Huse it has become clear that it doesn't matter who the players are, he is going to find a way to lose 6 out of every 10 games. If I was a high school recruit, I would never attend MSU. Not because of the record, but because Huse does not let his players play. It has to be extremely frustrating for the players to go out there every night knowing that Huse is going to make them play with one hand tied behind their back.

[BelgradeBobcat]

NDSU will be making its second ncaa div.1 basketball tournament appearance since becoming div.1 in 2004.............

And they're a cow college in a low population, out-of-the-way, cold weather state. And their arena is a glorified warehouse. And they're in a low profile D-1 conference...yet they get it done. But we can't expect MSU to ever be good in basketball-there's just too many obstacles...or so we're frequently told.

[John K]

NDSU will be making its second ncaa div.1 basketball tournament appearance since becoming div.1 in 2004.............

And they're a cow college in a low population, out-of-the-way, cold weather state. And their arena is a glorified warehouse. And they're in a low profile D-1 conference...yet they get it done. But we can't expect MSU to ever be good in basketball-there's just too many obstacles...or so we're frequently told.

You don't need to look that far away. Look how successful UM has been over the years, and I don't see how they really face any fewer obstacles in Missoula, than we do in Bozeman, except of course for having a better tradition of success. Missoulians/Griz fans like to think that Missoula is much more "hip" and "urban" than Bozeman, and therefore more attractive to athletes from urban areas. But I doubt that prospective recruits really see much difference between the two communities/schools. Both are going to seem like "sticksville" to most of those kids.

[BelgradeBobcat]

You don't need to look that far away. Look how successful UM has been over the years, and I don't see how they really face any fewer obstacles in Missoula, than we do in Bozeman, except of course for having a better tradition of success. Missoulians/Griz fans like to think that Missoula is much more "hip" and "urban" than Bozeman, and therefore more attractive to athletes from urban areas. But I doubt that prospective recruits really see much difference between the two communities/schools. Both are going to seem like "sticksville" to most of those kids.

I've sometimes heard the excuse that um, being a liberal arts school, has an easier time recruiting basketball players than an ag-engineering school like MSU. I've also heard that um's arena is much nicer than ours. But NDSU is similar to MSU academically, and their arena isn't all that great. http://www.stadiumjourney.com/stadiums/ ... arena-s853" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Yet they don't seem to have a problem being good at basketball (not to mention being really, really good at football).

[Jobu]

I've sometimes heard the excuse that um, being a liberal arts school, has an easier time recruiting basketball players than an ag-engineering school like MSU.

I wish it were a vaild argument. But it's just another excuse, unfortunately. Both schools have the same entrance requirements. And a quick check of our roster shows these majors:

University Studies: We have 6 players majoring in that (whatever it is).

Liberal Studies: 1 player

Sociology: 2 players

History: 1 player

The other 3 are Computer Sci, Business and Health and Human Performance.


The Griz roster doesn't list majors without clicking on each player, but I can't imagine their respective majors being "easier". And I seem to recall that many of their best players over the past few years have been honor roll and academic All-Americans.


I don't think Huse can use academics as the source of the problem.