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Saint Peters
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 10:36 am
by gtapp
Saint Peters has made the Sweet 16 beating Kentucky and now Memphis. I have never heard of Saint Peters. Their regular season record was 19-11. How is it they made the Sweet 16 and we got beat by 30+. Also on the women's side a school called Belmont and one call Florida Gulf Coast and South Dakota made the round of 32 while we got beat by 40+. Are those small schools that mush better than MSU?
Re: Saint Peters
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 11:01 am
by kennethnoisewater
I think there are a couple things going on.
First, I think the Big Sky is just not that good on a national level.
Second, I think the Bobcats had really tough draws. On the women's side, there's not quite the parity that there is on the men's side. UCONN and Tennessee have won about half of the national championships in the last 40 years, and Stanford is one of the blue bloods (they've won 3). The gap between teams like MSU and the top teams is just so big. I think WBB is getting more parity, but that's not coming real fast.
As for the other schools doing well, Saint Peters is right outside of NYC. They're just going to get athletes MSU doesn't get. When you get those athletes, you might have a so-so regular season, but athletically you can hang with some better teams and shock some people. (Memphis actually got beat by Gonzaga, not St Pete's--they beat Murray St in the second round which isn't exactly a blue blood). Florida Gulf Coast made a run in the men's tournament a few years ago, but it's the same deal as Saint Peter's...just a different population to draw from. High school basketball in Montana is just not good. It's crazy because we love hoops in this state, but we're pretty irrelevant on the national level. We can import kids, which we obviously do, but that's a pretty tough recruiting job. You've gotta convince a kid from NYC or Florida or California to come to Montana and play in a cavernous arena in front of 3,000 fans on a pretty good day (hopefully that keeps improving). If those kids are going to take a chance on a school because they're getting overlooked by the blue bloods, they're more likely to head to FGCU or stay close to home at Saint Peter's.
I think the goal always needs to be to qualify for the NCAA tournament because it's the best sporting event in the country, but MSU really needs to be playing in the smaller tournaments where they have a chance to win some games. If MSU can keep on the trajectory it's on, I think there's a chance they start getting better seeds and maybe sneaking a win every once in a while.
Re: Saint Peters
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 11:21 am
by Cataholic
I would also emphasize the difference between the blue bloods and everyone else is huge. Especially for a 16 seed. South Dakota lost to number one ranked South Carolina by 31 earlier in the year. If we want to have a chance at some success in the big dance, we have to earn at least a 13 or 14 seed. We would need a 3 or 4 loss regular season like South Dakota or FGCU.
Re: Saint Peters
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 11:43 am
by BelgradeBobcat
St. Peter's wouldn't have beaten Texas Tech and none of the women's teams mentioned in this thread would have beaten Stanford. That task was made even harder by having to play Stanford on their home floor.
To take the next step we have to beat "high majors" like Colorado and New Mexico in the regular season. Close losses won't cut it. Look at South Dakota State. They ran the table against their conference in both the regular season and tournament and it netted them a whole seed higher than us (13). It's a pretty darn impossible task. Getting high majors in a neutral court situation like in a pre-season tournament is probably our best bet to get a result, but it's pretty tough.
Winning the Big Sky and going to the tournament will always be enough for me. A tournament win would just be gravy.
Re: Saint Peters
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:01 pm
by Catlady
I think the problem is we were just happy to get to the tournament and not confident that we belonged. Our women’s team was intimidated even before they stepped on the court. We didn't have an alpha on that team that was ready to take on the world! No Norgaard, Braxton, Ferris or Freije. No one willing to stand up and compete. I’m proud of the team making the NCAA’s but I don’t buy the crap that we need to find a lesser tournament. We can compete if we continue to recruit better talent. I for one believe we can. Binford didn’t have the team ready for this type of competition, it wasn’t because she didn’t try. It’s because this team is missing that key ingredient. I wasn’t upset with the fact we were shut out for a whole quarter, I was upset that we played scared. No head fakes, no hard fouls, it was almost like a coronation. We will get better……. Remember against Washington in the NCAA’s we led after the first quarter. MSU has everything it needs to compete at a higher level. I watched Jackson State against LSU yesterday and if Jackson State can compete at a high level why not MSU? I look at St. Peter’s in the Men’s tournament. They play hard……… no highly recruited players, no McDonald’s All Americans, but they beat KENTUCKY! Let’s quit making excuses and start to figure out how to get to the next level! We have a top notch President and a kick ass AD. We also have an amazing fan base. I think when Leon sits down with Binford next week, he needs to congratulate for a good season, but immediately ask her what she needs to compete and win at a higher level. That’s the kind of leadership we have at MSU.
Re: Saint Peters
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:18 pm
by Ilikecats
BelgradeBobcat wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 11:43 am
St. Peter's wouldn't have beaten Texas Tech and none of the women's teams mentioned in this thread would have beaten Stanford. That task was made even harder by having to play Stanford on their home floor.
To take the next step we have to beat "high majors" like Colorado and New Mexico in the regular season. Close losses won't cut it. Look at South Dakota State. They ran the table against their conference in both the regular season and tournament and it netted them a whole seed higher than us (13). It's a pretty darn impossible task. Getting high majors in a neutral court situation like in a pre-season tournament is probably our best bet to get a result, but it's pretty tough.
Winning the Big Sky and going to the tournament will always be enough for me. A tournament win would just be gravy.
Disagree, St. Peter’s beat Kentucky, Kentucky! Stanford lost to South Florida this year! Look at programs like Gonzaga, BYU and South Dakota that made a commitment to excellence. The next step isn’t just beating Colorado and New Mexico. The next step is bringing your best effort against whoever you play. We didn’t do that Friday night. Gonzaga hasn’t always been a National power! They made the decision to build a program to compete. Jackson State almost upset LSU……… why not us?
Re: Saint Peters
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:20 pm
by GoldstoneCat
kennethnoisewater wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 11:01 am
I think there are a couple things going on.
First, I think the Big Sky is just not that good on a national level.
Second, I think the Bobcats had really tough draws. On the women's side, there's not quite the parity that there is on the men's side. UCONN and Tennessee have won about half of the national championships in the last 40 years, and Stanford is one of the blue bloods (they've won 3). The gap between teams like MSU and the top teams is just so big. I think WBB is getting more parity, but that's not coming real fast.
As for the other schools doing well, Saint Peters is right outside of NYC. They're just going to get athletes MSU doesn't get. When you get those athletes, you might have a so-so regular season, but athletically you can hang with some better teams and shock some people. (Memphis actually got beat by Gonzaga, not St Pete's--they beat Murray St in the second round which isn't exactly a blue blood). Florida Gulf Coast made a run in the men's tournament a few years ago, but it's the same deal as Saint Peter's...just a different population to draw from. High school basketball in Montana is just not good. It's crazy because we love hoops in this state, but we're pretty irrelevant on the national level. We can import kids, which we obviously do, but that's a pretty tough recruiting job. You've gotta convince a kid from NYC or Florida or California to come to Montana and play in a cavernous arena in front of 3,000 fans on a pretty good day (hopefully that keeps improving). If those kids are going to take a chance on a school because they're getting overlooked by the blue bloods, they're more likely to head to FGCU or stay close to home at Saint Peter's.
I think the goal always needs to be to qualify for the NCAA tournament because it's the best sporting event in the country, but MSU really needs to be playing in the smaller tournaments where they have a chance to win some games. If MSU can keep on the trajectory it's on, I think there's a chance they start getting better seeds and maybe sneaking a win every once in a while.
Some good points here, but i think it's all about matchups. With a healthy Belo, we would have been able to, potentially, give someone like 3 seed Wisconsin a game. Illinois, same. Tech had some early losses when trying to define roles for all those transfers, and a couple when they were down to 6 guys due to covid, but they were way underseeded relative to how they're playing the last 6 weeks. I 10/10 would have rather played baylor than tech. Overarching point was we didn't have a chance against tech because it was closer to a matchup with a 1 seed than a 3 seed imo. We probably aren't as athletic as st peters but from what I've seen we're deeper with much better inside play. With the right matchup and a team like we had this year, at full strength, we were good enough to get a game i think. Just need to keep getting there, keep developing bigger-bodied guard/forward types, and we'll get ourselves a chance in the men's program.
Women's side is even more about seeding imo. As someone else stated in the thread, the top 8-10 women's teams are soooo much better than the field.
Re: Saint Peters
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:31 pm
by TomCat88
Historically, the odds are that a lower seed or two in the mens tourney will make the Sweet 16 every year, but it’s random.
There aren’t enough girls playing basketball or playing it at a high level yet for there to be any semblance of parity on the women's side.
The two losses had little in common. TT came out red hot and was hitting from all over. Stanford is simply light years ahead of MSU and that stood in the form of all the high percentage shots they got.
A lot of schools from similar conferences that get good on the mens side don’t have football.
Montana isn’t a good prep basketball state. We beat Wyoming, but we have twice the population.
It can be done, but it’s a huge task.
Even if you get a top ten player it means little. Weber had Lilliard and didn’t win a ncaa tournament game. I think they may not have even won the BSC tournament. I know they lost at least once to UM.
Re: Saint Peters
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:58 pm
by Ilikecats
kennethnoisewater wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 11:01 am
I think there are a couple things going on.
First, I think the Big Sky is just not that good on a national level.
Second, I think the Bobcats had really tough draws. On the women's side, there's not quite the parity that there is on the men's side. UCONN and Tennessee have won about half of the national championships in the last 40 years, and Stanford is one of the blue bloods (they've won 3). The gap between teams like MSU and the top teams is just so big. I think WBB is getting more parity, but that's not coming real fast.
As for the other schools doing well, Saint Peters is right outside of NYC. They're just going to get athletes MSU doesn't get. When you get those athletes, you might have a so-so regular season, but athletically you can hang with some better teams and shock some people. (Memphis actually got beat by Gonzaga, not St Pete's--they beat Murray St in the second round which isn't exactly a blue blood). Florida Gulf Coast made a run in the men's tournament a few years ago, but it's the same deal as Saint Peter's...just a different population to draw from. High school basketball in Montana is just not good. It's crazy because we love hoops in this state, but we're pretty irrelevant on the national level. We can import kids, which we obviously do, but that's a pretty tough recruiting job. You've gotta convince a kid from NYC or Florida or California to come to Montana and play in a cavernous arena in front of 3,000 fans on a pretty good day (hopefully that keeps improving). If those kids are going to take a chance on a school because they're getting overlooked by the blue bloods, they're more likely to head to FGCU or stay close to home at Saint Peter's.
I think the goal always needs to be to qualify for the NCAA tournament because it's the best sporting event in the country, but MSU really needs to be playing in the smaller tournaments where they have a chance to win some games. If MSU can keep on the trajectory it's on, I think there's a chance they start getting better seeds and maybe sneaking a win every once in a while.
Wow, smaller tournaments? Sneaking a win? Most competitive teams aren’t full of high school players from their state. Schools recruit all over the world! Geez!
Re: Saint Peters
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 2:02 pm
by kennethnoisewater
Ilikecats wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:58 pm
kennethnoisewater wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 11:01 am
I think there are a couple things going on.
First, I think the Big Sky is just not that good on a national level.
Second, I think the Bobcats had really tough draws. On the women's side, there's not quite the parity that there is on the men's side. UCONN and Tennessee have won about half of the national championships in the last 40 years, and Stanford is one of the blue bloods (they've won 3). The gap between teams like MSU and the top teams is just so big. I think WBB is getting more parity, but that's not coming real fast.
As for the other schools doing well, Saint Peters is right outside of NYC. They're just going to get athletes MSU doesn't get. When you get those athletes, you might have a so-so regular season, but athletically you can hang with some better teams and shock some people. (Memphis actually got beat by Gonzaga, not St Pete's--they beat Murray St in the second round which isn't exactly a blue blood). Florida Gulf Coast made a run in the men's tournament a few years ago, but it's the same deal as Saint Peter's...just a different population to draw from. High school basketball in Montana is just not good. It's crazy because we love hoops in this state, but we're pretty irrelevant on the national level. We can import kids, which we obviously do, but that's a pretty tough recruiting job. You've gotta convince a kid from NYC or Florida or California to come to Montana and play in a cavernous arena in front of 3,000 fans on a pretty good day (hopefully that keeps improving). If those kids are going to take a chance on a school because they're getting overlooked by the blue bloods, they're more likely to head to FGCU or stay close to home at Saint Peter's.
I think the goal always needs to be to qualify for the NCAA tournament because it's the best sporting event in the country, but MSU really needs to be playing in the smaller tournaments where they have a chance to win some games. If MSU can keep on the trajectory it's on, I think there's a chance they start getting better seeds and maybe sneaking a win every once in a while.
Wow, smaller tournaments? Sneaking a win? Most competitive teams aren’t full of high school players from their state. Schools recruit all over the world! Geez!
I said the NCAA tournament is the goal and always should be, but MSU is really far from being able to make a run. At this stage, MSU is better suited for making a run in a smaller tournament, but I'd still take an NCAA bid any day.
Yes other schools are full of players from all over, but there aren't a lot of players looking at Montana as a destination that's going to improve their chances at making the next level. And we've always said in football you have to have a core of MT players, which I think would help in basketball too if we were producing D-I players in this state regularly. MSU has done so well recruiting internationally and that needs to continue. That got Gonzaga on the map and now they're getting a run at the best players in the US.
Re: Saint Peters
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 2:25 pm
by Catlady
kennethnoisewater wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 2:02 pm
Ilikecats wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:58 pm
kennethnoisewater wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 11:01 am
I think there are a couple things going on.
First, I think the Big Sky is just not that good on a national level.
Second, I think the Bobcats had really tough draws. On the women's side, there's not quite the parity that there is on the men's side. UCONN and Tennessee have won about half of the national championships in the last 40 years, and Stanford is one of the blue bloods (they've won 3). The gap between teams like MSU and the top teams is just so big. I think WBB is getting more parity, but that's not coming real fast.
As for the other schools doing well, Saint Peters is right outside of NYC. They're just going to get athletes MSU doesn't get. When you get those athletes, you might have a so-so regular season, but athletically you can hang with some better teams and shock some people. (Memphis actually got beat by Gonzaga, not St Pete's--they beat Murray St in the second round which isn't exactly a blue blood). Florida Gulf Coast made a run in the men's tournament a few years ago, but it's the same deal as Saint Peter's...just a different population to draw from. High school basketball in Montana is just not good. It's crazy because we love hoops in this state, but we're pretty irrelevant on the national level. We can import kids, which we obviously do, but that's a pretty tough recruiting job. You've gotta convince a kid from NYC or Florida or California to come to Montana and play in a cavernous arena in front of 3,000 fans on a pretty good day (hopefully that keeps improving). If those kids are going to take a chance on a school because they're getting overlooked by the blue bloods, they're more likely to head to FGCU or stay close to home at Saint Peter's.
I think the goal always needs to be to qualify for the NCAA tournament because it's the best sporting event in the country, but MSU really needs to be playing in the smaller tournaments where they have a chance to win some games. If MSU can keep on the trajectory it's on, I think there's a chance they start getting better seeds and maybe sneaking a win every once in a while.
Wow, smaller tournaments? Sneaking a win? Most competitive teams aren’t full of high school players from their state. Schools recruit all over the world! Geez!
I said the NCAA tournament is the goal and always should be, but MSU is really far from being able to make a run. At this stage, MSU is better suited for making a run in a smaller tournament, but I'd still take an NCAA bid any day.
Yes other schools are full of players from all over, but there aren't a lot of players looking at Montana as a destination that's going to improve their chances at making the next level. And we've always said in football you have to have a core of MT players, which I think would help in basketball too if we were producing D-I players in this state regularly. MSU has done so well recruiting internationally and that needs to continue. That got Gonzaga on the map and now they're getting a run at the best players in the US.
I look at our roster and we have players from all over the country and Australia. It’s not a proven fact that in hoops it’s better to have your core players from MT. Gonzaga Women's team only has one kid from Washington. Stanford had one starter from California, UCONN has 0 kids from Connecticut. Stanford has 3 and soon to be 4 kids from Colorado! The young lady that dunked is from Colorado! The National Woman’s HS player of the year is heading to Stanford next year! She’s from Colorado! Bozeman is growing, I don’t think it’s difficult to attract talent to Bozeman. I’m not sure that there’s a large number of College WBB players pushing for the WNBA, but I do know they’re interested in MSU. We just have to get on the road and find them. I think our problem is attitude. For some reason we feel that we’re at a significant disadvantage because our university is located in Montana. It’s almost like the movie field of Dreams! “BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME!”
Re: Saint Peters
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 2:54 pm
by Helcat72
Did you notice the physical size of South Dakota? They beat SD St in their tournament final and still were the only team from the Summit to go to the NCAA. SDSU was 24-9 and they beat UCLA and us together with everyone in the Summit except SD. The elites are just that..Elite
Re: Saint Peters
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 3:49 pm
by kennethnoisewater
Catlady wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 2:25 pm
kennethnoisewater wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 2:02 pm
Ilikecats wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:58 pm
kennethnoisewater wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 11:01 am
I think there are a couple things going on.
First, I think the Big Sky is just not that good on a national level.
Second, I think the Bobcats had really tough draws. On the women's side, there's not quite the parity that there is on the men's side. UCONN and Tennessee have won about half of the national championships in the last 40 years, and Stanford is one of the blue bloods (they've won 3). The gap between teams like MSU and the top teams is just so big. I think WBB is getting more parity, but that's not coming real fast.
As for the other schools doing well, Saint Peters is right outside of NYC. They're just going to get athletes MSU doesn't get. When you get those athletes, you might have a so-so regular season, but athletically you can hang with some better teams and shock some people. (Memphis actually got beat by Gonzaga, not St Pete's--they beat Murray St in the second round which isn't exactly a blue blood). Florida Gulf Coast made a run in the men's tournament a few years ago, but it's the same deal as Saint Peter's...just a different population to draw from. High school basketball in Montana is just not good. It's crazy because we love hoops in this state, but we're pretty irrelevant on the national level. We can import kids, which we obviously do, but that's a pretty tough recruiting job. You've gotta convince a kid from NYC or Florida or California to come to Montana and play in a cavernous arena in front of 3,000 fans on a pretty good day (hopefully that keeps improving). If those kids are going to take a chance on a school because they're getting overlooked by the blue bloods, they're more likely to head to FGCU or stay close to home at Saint Peter's.
I think the goal always needs to be to qualify for the NCAA tournament because it's the best sporting event in the country, but MSU really needs to be playing in the smaller tournaments where they have a chance to win some games. If MSU can keep on the trajectory it's on, I think there's a chance they start getting better seeds and maybe sneaking a win every once in a while.
Wow, smaller tournaments? Sneaking a win? Most competitive teams aren’t full of high school players from their state. Schools recruit all over the world! Geez!
I said the NCAA tournament is the goal and always should be, but MSU is really far from being able to make a run. At this stage, MSU is better suited for making a run in a smaller tournament, but I'd still take an NCAA bid any day.
Yes other schools are full of players from all over, but there aren't a lot of players looking at Montana as a destination that's going to improve their chances at making the next level. And we've always said in football you have to have a core of MT players, which I think would help in basketball too if we were producing D-I players in this state regularly. MSU has done so well recruiting internationally and that needs to continue. That got Gonzaga on the map and now they're getting a run at the best players in the US.
I look at our roster and we have players from all over the country and Australia. It’s not a proven fact that in hoops it’s better to have your core players from MT. Gonzaga Women's team only has one kid from Washington. Stanford had one starter from California, UCONN has 0 kids from Connecticut. Stanford has 3 and soon to be 4 kids from Colorado! The young lady that dunked is from Colorado! The National Woman’s HS player of the year is heading to Stanford next year! She’s from Colorado! Bozeman is growing, I don’t think it’s difficult to attract talent to Bozeman. I’m not sure that there’s a large number of College WBB players pushing for the WNBA, but I do know they’re interested in MSU. We just have to get on the road and find them. I think our problem is attitude. For some reason we feel that we’re at a significant disadvantage because our university is located in Montana. It’s almost like the movie field of Dreams! “BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME!”
No you don't have to have your core players from in-state, but I think it helps make it more interesting for fans, which makes it a better basketball environment. Another reason that's helpful is because those in-state student athletes aren't taking a chance on MSU, which is still building something. Nobody's taking a chance to go to UCONN, Stanford, or even Gonzaga. I didn't mean for it to sound like MSU will never get to that point. I think we're getting closer every year, I'm just trying to explain why, in my opinion, MSU isn't there YET and couldn't compete in two really tough matchups in the NCAA tournament.
Re: Saint Peters
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 4:52 pm
by TomCat88
BSC teams would have a tough time making a run in the NIT. I can’t remember the last time a BSC team won a NIT game. Could’ve been MSU vs Utah St back in the early 00s. I realize they don’t go often since only the regular season champions get invited if they lose out in the BSC tournament.
Re: Saint Peters
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 6:44 pm
by technoCat
The Ladies had at least 4 wide open threes and several open from 10 or so in the first quarter. We never really had shots down low because of their size but opportunities were there. Once the snowball started rolling it buried us and we didn't have the oomph to turn it around.
Re: Saint Peters
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 7:44 pm
by gtapp
South Dakota hammered Baylor. BAYLOR. There is no way SD has a recruiting advantage over MSU?????
Re: Saint Peters
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 7:59 pm
by Catlady
gtapp wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 7:44 pm
South Dakota hammered Baylor. BAYLOR. There is no way SD has a recruiting advantage over MSU?????
Agree 100%!
Re: Saint Peters
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 8:21 pm
by rivercat
Catlady wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 7:59 pm
gtapp wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 7:44 pm
South Dakota hammered Baylor. BAYLOR. There is no way SD has a recruiting advantage over MSU?????
Agree 100%!
Yep. South Dakota State WBB got to the sweet 16 in 2019. South Dakota WBB making it there this year. No reason for MSU to not be there at some point. BSC is definitely a lesser conference than the Summit so that may play a part. That can't be an excuse though.
Re: Saint Peters
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 8:46 pm
by BelgradeBobcat
gtapp wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 7:44 pm
South Dakota hammered Baylor. BAYLOR. There is no way SD has a recruiting advantage over MSU?????
Well yeah they kinda do. That Souixland region is basketball hotbed. Very underrated.
Re: Saint Peters
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 9:11 pm
by BobcatDel
rivercat wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 8:21 pm
Catlady wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 7:59 pm
gtapp wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 7:44 pm
South Dakota hammered Baylor. BAYLOR. There is no way SD has a recruiting advantage over MSU?????
Agree 100%!
Yep. South Dakota State WBB got to the sweet 16 in 2019. South Dakota WBB making it there this year. No reason for MSU to not be there at some point. BSC is definitely a lesser conference than the Summit so that may play a part. That can't be an excuse though.
And as we speak SDSU won their second round game in the WNIT…having beat both Ohio and Minnesota now. So both South Dakota schools are in the 3rd rounds of their tourneys. SDSU has 2 other 1st round wins in the NCAA and has been into the semi-finals in the WNIT.
The rosters at both South Dakota schools have 4 SD kids and primarily Minnesota kids (with assorted others). We recruit Minnesota well..no reason we can’t compete with SD schools of the world. I just don’t buy it that we have to accept only competing for a Big Sky championship but if we think that way we surely will only compete for a Big Sky conference title…which I love…but I know Tricia wants more and I know Danny wants more. The 2019-2020 senior laden womens team motto was “Built for More”…and their goal was to win a game in the NCAA……
And I bet Waded and Leon are asking what help do you need to get to the next level?