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Weber Game-plan 3.0
Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 3:36 pm
by Bocephus
Really hard to beat a talented team twice in 1 week. Seems like moving the ball against Weber is key as they give up the most assists in the conference. I felt like Weber had more success when they went to the 1-3-1 zone, maybe not though. Keeping Dillon Jones contained is also a huge concern, I feel like he can take over games. Anyone else want to give us a 3.0 scouting report?
Re: Weber Game-plan 3.0
Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 5:48 pm
by catscat
Start Olmsted.
Re: Weber Game-plan 3.0
Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 6:35 pm
by Desert_Bobcat
1. You must start John Olmsted. If you don’t, he needs to play significantly more minutes than Walker. Walker is a plug and stops all movement on offense. Olmsted has shown he has a mean pick-and-roll game and can distribute the ball (3rd in assists behind ET3 and Rob the last 3 games). John has also shown to have a motor that can go 15+ minutes on the floor at a time where Walker can hardly give you 4.
2. You can let DJ score as many points as he wants, as long as you keep his assists down. Weber gets rolling and plays their best when Jones has 5+ assists. You’re going to have to live with Jones getting his shots. You HAVE to stop everyone else. Koehler, Theratt, & Verplanken cannot get hot.
3. Win the rebounding battle (or at least keep it close). Cats out rebounded Weber in this game and kept it close against EWU. When the Cats get on the glass good things happen (Big John and Sam work so much harder than Walker in this regard)
4. Keep playing Jed, Sam, and John. John is the obvious one, but Jed helps keep ET3 and Rob fresh and playing Sam gives Brian a chance to play the 3 which is his true position and where he plays best IMO. Jed and Sam on the floor at the same time is so much fun because of how they move off the ball and how they’ll pass up a good shot for a better shot.
5. You need to manage your energy. It could be easy to come out super tight and put yourself a hole early. You have to play free and with energy rather than trying to play perfect.
Re: Weber Game-plan 3.0
Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 7:10 pm
by Common Cat
Desert_Bobcat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 6:35 pm
1. You must start John Olmsted. If you don’t, he needs to play significantly more minutes than Walker. Walker is a plug and stops all movement on offense. Olmsted has shown he has a mean pick-and-roll game and can distribute the ball (3rd in assists behind ET3 and Rob the last 3 games). John has also shown to have a motor that can go 15+ minutes on the floor at a time where Walker can hardly give you 4.
2. You can let DJ score as many points as he wants, as long as you keep his assists down. Weber gets rolling and plays their best when Jones has 5+ assists. You’re going to have to live with Jones getting his shots. You HAVE to stop everyone else. Koehler, Theratt, & Verplanken cannot get hot.
3. Win the rebounding battle (or at least keep it close). Cats out rebounded Weber in this game and kept it close against EWU. When the Cats get on the glass good things happen (Big John and Sam work so much harder than Walker in this regard)
4. Keep playing Jed, Sam, and John. John is the obvious one, but Jed helps keep ET3 and Rob fresh and playing Sam gives Brian a chance to play the 3 which is his true position and where he plays best IMO. Jed and Sam on the floor at the same time is so much fun because of how they move off the ball and how they’ll pass up a good shot for a better shot.
5. You need to manage your energy. It could be easy to come out super tight and put yourself a hole early. You have to play free and with energy rather than trying to play perfect.
I really like your last point. Gotta play to win. Don’t get tight in this game. Let Weber feel that pressure. Another point to add is, and this is more specific to ET3 and Patterson, when they drive to the hole and dish it back out to a three. They pass on too many and one opportunities if not basic layups.
Re: Weber Game-plan 3.0
Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 9:15 pm
by Desert_Bobcat
Common Cat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 7:10 pm
Desert_Bobcat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 6:35 pm
1. You must start John Olmsted. If you don’t, he needs to play significantly more minutes than Walker. Walker is a plug and stops all movement on offense. Olmsted has shown he has a mean pick-and-roll game and can distribute the ball (3rd in assists behind ET3 and Rob the last 3 games). John has also shown to have a motor that can go 15+ minutes on the floor at a time where Walker can hardly give you 4.
2. You can let DJ score as many points as he wants, as long as you keep his assists down. Weber gets rolling and plays their best when Jones has 5+ assists. You’re going to have to live with Jones getting his shots. You HAVE to stop everyone else. Koehler, Theratt, & Verplanken cannot get hot.
3. Win the rebounding battle (or at least keep it close). Cats out rebounded Weber in this game and kept it close against EWU. When the Cats get on the glass good things happen (Big John and Sam work so much harder than Walker in this regard)
4. Keep playing Jed, Sam, and John. John is the obvious one, but Jed helps keep ET3 and Rob fresh and playing Sam gives Brian a chance to play the 3 which is his true position and where he plays best IMO. Jed and Sam on the floor at the same time is so much fun because of how they move off the ball and how they’ll pass up a good shot for a better shot.
5. You need to manage your energy. It could be easy to come out super tight and put yourself a hole early. You have to play free and with energy rather than trying to play perfect.
I really like your last point. Gotta play to win. Don’t get tight in this game. Let Weber feel that pressure. Another point to add is, and this is more specific to ET3 and Patterson, when they drive to the hole and dish it back out to a three. They pass on too many and one opportunities if not basic layups.
This is a very good point. Eddie has only shot 39 FT’s this year and Patterson has a whole 9 FT’s attempted
The Weber game on Monday has potential to have a pretty tight whistle and in games like that you almost need to play into that and make it a free throw competition, if you can. You just hope that the boys can knock down FT’s at a better clip than they have the last few weeks.
Re: Weber Game-plan 3.0
Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 9:20 pm
by MSU01
The Bobcats will need the entire roster to contribute if they have any hope of winning 3 games in 3 days. A few weeks ago I'd have said that was nearly impossible, but with the emergence of guys like John Olmsted and Jed Miller over the past couple weeks I'd say they've definitely got a good shot at surprising some people. How would Weber enjoy getting knocked out by the Bobcats three years in a row? It's a far cry from the two decades of misery when MSU's total tournament wins could be counted on one hand.
Re: Weber Game-plan 3.0
Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 9:31 pm
by BelgradeBobcat
Tew is too big for Walker to score over. Walker got his points over most Big Sky bigs, but Tew really shut him down. Olmsted's height altered a lot of shots on defense. Walker can be a defensive liability when he's tired. So playing Olmsted more minutes and Walker in short bursts when Tew is out could be good. I'm intrigued with the possibility of playing Walker and Omsted at the same time and really pounding it inside to maybe get Tew and Jones in foul trouble. Probably not enough time to re-tool the offense to make that work though.
It's gonna be tough. Jones wore out late in the game in Bozeman. He'll be much fresher in Boise, but I suppose we will too. It will be interesting to see what each head coach switches up from Monday night.
Re: Weber Game-plan 3.0
Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2024 12:34 pm
by catscat
Common Cat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 7:10 pm
Desert_Bobcat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 6:35 pm
1. You must start John Olmsted.
5. You need to manage your energy. It could be easy to come out super tight and put yourself a hole early. You have to play free and with energy rather than trying to play perfect.
I really like your last point. Gotta play to win. Don’t get tight in this game. Let Weber feel that pressure. Another point to add is, and this is more specific to ET3 and Patterson, when they drive to the hole and dish it back out to a three. They pass on too many and one opportunities if not basic layups.
I have to disagree on Turner. In my opinion, he forces too many shots off his drives (and doesn't draw a foul in the process). I have no problem with him taking a good shot if it's there, but if it's not, kick it out.
Re: Weber Game-plan 3.0
Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2024 2:02 pm
by nevadacat
catscat wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 12:34 pm
Common Cat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 7:10 pm
Desert_Bobcat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 6:35 pm
1. You must start John Olmsted.
5. You need to manage your energy. It could be easy to come out super tight and put yourself a hole early. You have to play free and with energy rather than trying to play perfect.
I really like your last point. Gotta play to win. Don’t get tight in this game. Let Weber feel that pressure. Another point to add is, and this is more specific to ET3 and Patterson, when they drive to the hole and dish it back out to a three. They pass on too many and one opportunities if not basic layups.
I have to disagree on Turner. In my opinion, he forces too many shots off his drives (and doesn't draw a foul in the process). I have no problem with him taking a good shot if it's there, but if it's not, kick it out.
He backs into the lane too much and gets his pocket picked by second defenders helping out.
Re: Weber Game-plan 3.0
Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2024 7:53 pm
by Bobcat4Ever
nevadacat wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 2:02 pm
catscat wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 12:34 pm
Common Cat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 7:10 pm
Desert_Bobcat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 6:35 pm
1. You must start John Olmsted.
5. You need to manage your energy. It could be easy to come out super tight and put yourself a hole early. You have to play free and with energy rather than trying to play perfect.
I really like your last point. Gotta play to win. Don’t get tight in this game. Let Weber feel that pressure. Another point to add is, and this is more specific to ET3 and Patterson, when they drive to the hole and dish it back out to a three. They pass on too many and one opportunities if not basic layups.
I have to disagree on Turner. In my opinion, he forces too many shots off his drives (and doesn't draw a foul in the process). I have no problem with him taking a good shot if it's there, but if it's not, kick it out.
He backs into the lane too much and gets his pocket picked by second defenders helping out.
No, you’re confusing this with the WBB team.
Re: Weber Game-plan 3.0
Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2024 8:54 pm
by BobcatDel
nevadacat wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 2:02 pm
catscat wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 12:34 pm
Common Cat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 7:10 pm
Desert_Bobcat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 6:35 pm
1. You must start John Olmsted.
5. You need to manage your energy. It could be easy to come out super tight and put yourself a hole early. You have to play free and with energy rather than trying to play perfect.
I really like your last point. Gotta play to win. Don’t get tight in this game. Let Weber feel that pressure. Another point to add is, and this is more specific to ET3 and Patterson, when they drive to the hole and dish it back out to a three. They pass on too many and one opportunities if not basic layups.
I have to disagree on Turner. In my opinion, he forces too many shots off his drives (and doesn't draw a foul in the process). I have no problem with him taking a good shot if it's there, but if it's not, kick it out.
He backs into the lane too much and gets his pocket picked by second defenders helping out.
Interesting comment on Turner. The stats show that Turner actually turns it over less than Ford. Turner assist to TO ration is 1.8 (104/57) vs 1.2 for Ford (91/75). But Ford does draw about 3 times as many fouls while taking it stronger inside. And Ford is on the court about 33 min vs Turner 28 min.
As to shooting, FG% for Ford is 46.6% and Turner 45.5%. The two have the best 3 point percentages on the team that have shot over 50 from the arc…..Ford at 42.2% and Turner at 41.3% (Paterson is at 38.5%).
IMO Turner has picked up his game as the season has moved along…gaining more confidence. Ford separates himself in attacking the basket, rebounding, steals and on court leadership. I’m glad we have Turner back next year.
Re: Weber Game-plan 3.0
Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2024 9:23 pm
by homeytennis
Idaho State has defeated Weber twice this season. Copy what ISU did. No need to reinvent the mouse trap.
Re: Weber Game-plan 3.0
Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2024 10:35 pm
by aucat
I agree that the pressure is on Weber not Montana State. Weber was the Big Sky preseason pick. The Cats need to just go out and play loose, fast and hard. Have fun. Ain't no second chance. Give'em HELL Bobcats!
Re: Weber Game-plan 3.0
Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:11 pm
by tetoncat
Win
Re: Weber Game-plan 3.0
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:22 am
by BLACKnBLUEnGOLD
BobcatDel wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 8:54 pm
nevadacat wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 2:02 pm
catscat wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 12:34 pm
Common Cat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 7:10 pm
Desert_Bobcat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 6:35 pm
1. You must start John Olmsted.
5. You need to manage your energy. It could be easy to come out super tight and put yourself a hole early. You have to play free and with energy rather than trying to play perfect.
I really like your last point. Gotta play to win. Don’t get tight in this game. Let Weber feel that pressure. Another point to add is, and this is more specific to ET3 and Patterson, when they drive to the hole and dish it back out to a three. They pass on too many and one opportunities if not basic layups.
I have to disagree on Turner. In my opinion, he forces too many shots off his drives (and doesn't draw a foul in the process). I have no problem with him taking a good shot if it's there, but if it's not, kick it out.
He backs into the lane too much and gets his pocket picked by second defenders helping out.
Interesting comment on Turner. The stats show that Turner actually turns it over less than Ford. Turner assist to TO ration is 1.8 (104/57) vs 1.2 for Ford (91/75). But Ford does draw about 3 times as many fouls while taking it stronger inside. And Ford is on the court about 33 min vs Turner 28 min.
As to shooting, FG% for Ford is 46.6% and Turner 45.5%. The two have the best 3 point percentages on the team that have shot over 50 from the arc…..Ford at 42.2% and Turner at 41.3% (Paterson is at 38.5%).
IMO Turner has picked up his game as the season has moved along…gaining more confidence. Ford separates himself in attacking the basket, rebounding, steals and on court leadership. I’m glad we have Turner back next year.
A/TO ratio isn't great for comparing the team's primary shot creator (which leads to more turnovers) to the team's primary point guard (which leads to more assists). Ford's TO% this year is 16.2% and Turner has a 19.3% turnover percentage.
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Re: Weber Game-plan 3.0
Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 5:41 pm
by catscat
Walker not able score over Weber's bigs. Need Olmsted.
Re: Weber Game-plan 3.0
Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 5:45 pm
by kwcat
Game on Mtn on the local station. Should be all over Montana on one of the CBS free stations
11-15 Weber so far
Re: Weber Game-plan 3.0
Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 5:57 pm
by msu_agfan
catscat wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2024 5:41 pm
Walker not able score over Weber's bigs. Need Olmsted.
Yes, Tew has Walkers number. Thankfully Tew just got his 2nd foul.
Re: Weber Game-plan 3.0
Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 6:16 pm
by catscat
Bobcats giving up too many second chance points. Could use a few offensive rebounds.
Re: Weber Game-plan 3.0
Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 6:19 pm
by Desert_Bobcat
Settled down in the last 10. Ball movement is pretty good. Guards have missed a handful of easy layups on pick-and-roll actions. Need to get more easy paint touches and more drives to the basket. ET3 loves that 6’ floater but he needs to drive and at least get to the line to shoot FT’s. Couple lapses on defense leading to backside offensive rebounds otherwise it’s been good effort so far!
