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Re: Missing runner in Sidney

Post by ChiOCat » Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:43 am

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But, what about murder one? Can you only get the death penalty on a murder one conviction without a body?
I actually believe they have conveniently forgotten where the body is because they would rather have life in prison in No Dak than the death penalty in Montana, if they can't prove when/where she was killed then they will only be able to go on what they say as to where to charge the murder charge.

Also I thought the aggrevated kidnapping was a death penalty in Montana.
Yes, they can get the death penalty for Aggravated Kidnapping! http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/mca/45/5/45-5-303.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I know there was some concern they might not get extradited out of ND because of a law here that if someone is being extradited to a state where they face the death penalty there is more burden of proof. Not sure why as ND has the death penalty too? And the judge in their extradition basically told them that it wasn't the states job to prove they were the right guys for the warrent in the extradition hearing, that was for their trial. For this hearing he said they had to prove they weren't those two men. I think that likely there is little sympathy for them given the problems they're having in W ND and E MT with the oil boom. A vagrant that was causing problems in CO was bought a one way ticket to Minot by a homeless shelter in CO. He lasted less than a week in Minot, was arrested not long after arriving for public intoxication and urination. He said they were "Godless people, he was just trying to blow off some steam!"


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Re: Missing runner in Sidney

Post by canyoncat » Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:43 am

Looks like she has been found.

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Re: Missing runner in Sidney

Post by ilovethecats » Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:22 am

:cry:

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Re: Missing runner in Sidney

Post by gocats » Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:39 am

I hope they hang these two idiots. I'd pay to see it. I have no compassion for these kind of people.


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Re: Missing runner in Sidney

Post by ChiOCat » Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:48 pm

gocats wrote:I hope they hang these two idiots. I'd pay to see it. I have no compassion for these kind of people.
I think that's being too good to them.

I hope her family can finally have some closure, but both they and the town will never be the same.


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Re: Missing runner in Sidney

Post by CapitalCityCat » Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:36 pm

I'm in no way condoning what either of these men did but I do feel just a little bit sorry for the 22-year old suspect whom has been reported as having the education of a kindergartner. It sounds like he may have been very easily manipulated due to his lack of common sense and/or intelligence.

I'm glad the Arnold family may be able to find some closure.


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Re: Missing runner in Sidney

Post by LTown Cat » Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:02 pm

CapitalCityCat wrote:I'm in no way condoning what either of these men did but I do feel just a little bit sorry for the 22-year old suspect whom has been reported as having the education of a kindergartner. It sounds like he may have been very easily manipulated due to his lack of common sense and/or intelligence.

I'm glad the Arnold family may be able to find some closure.
While not a popular opinion I have to say I somewhat agree.



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Re: Missing runner in Sidney

Post by AlphaGriz1 » Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:07 pm

A kindergartner knows not to kill people....................................


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Re: Missing runner in Sidney

Post by SonomaCat » Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:09 pm

LTown Cat wrote:
CapitalCityCat wrote:I'm in no way condoning what either of these men did but I do feel just a little bit sorry for the 22-year old suspect whom has been reported as having the education of a kindergartner. It sounds like he may have been very easily manipulated due to his lack of common sense and/or intelligence.

I'm glad the Arnold family may be able to find some closure.
While not a popular opinion I have to say I somewhat agree.
That was my thought when I read that as well. He certainly should have known better and doesn't deserve a pass for what he did, IMO, but I do find it incredibly sad that he wasn't better prepared and/or protected from horrible influences in his life that, perhaps, took him down a path he otherwise wouldn't have gone.



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Re: Missing runner in Sidney

Post by ChiOCat » Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:33 pm

LTown Cat wrote:
CapitalCityCat wrote:I'm in no way condoning what either of these men did but I do feel just a little bit sorry for the 22-year old suspect whom has been reported as having the education of a kindergartner. It sounds like he may have been very easily manipulated due to his lack of common sense and/or intelligence.

I'm glad the Arnold family may be able to find some closure.
While not a popular opinion I have to say I somewhat agree.
He seems to have cooperated but at the very least he needs to be locked up for life! Despite his mental state and aid in solving the case he was either A) a willing participant in the murder or B) extremely able to be swayed to do something abhorant. Either way he's not safe to be allowed out in society. But at his mental level, would federal pen and it's inmates be harder on him than the death penalty?


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Re: Missing runner in Sidney

Post by SonomaCat » Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:39 pm

I've always thought that life without parole would be a worse punishment than the death penalty for most anyone. But apparently that's not the view of everyone (as you rarely hear a guy asking for the death penalty).



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Re: Missing runner in Sidney

Post by ChiOCat » Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:46 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:I've always thought that life without parole would be a worse punishment than the death penalty for most anyone. But apparently that's not the view of everyone (as you rarely hear a guy asking for the death penalty).
I remember reading a short story about that theory in high school. No idea what the name was.


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Re: Missing runner in Sidney

Post by GRIZFNZ » Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:54 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:I've always thought that life without parole would be a worse punishment than the death penalty for most anyone. But apparently that's not the view of everyone (as you rarely hear a guy asking for the death penalty).
Burry the ****** alive in boxes so they can experience hell before they die. I grew up in a.prison town and have no sympathy for murderers and pedophiles. Kill them all using the same inhumane methods they used on their victims.

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Re: Missing runner in Sidney

Post by gocats » Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:26 pm

Totally agree.


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Re: Missing runner in Sidney

Post by LTown Cat » Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:06 am

ChiOCat wrote:
LTown Cat wrote:
CapitalCityCat wrote:I'm in no way condoning what either of these men did but I do feel just a little bit sorry for the 22-year old suspect whom has been reported as having the education of a kindergartner. It sounds like he may have been very easily manipulated due to his lack of common sense and/or intelligence.

I'm glad the Arnold family may be able to find some closure.
While not a popular opinion I have to say I somewhat agree.
He seems to have cooperated but at the very least he needs to be locked up for life! Despite his mental state and aid in solving the case he was either A) a willing participant in the murder or B) extremely able to be swayed to do something abhorant. Either way he's not safe to be allowed out in society. But at his mental level, would federal pen and it's inmates be harder on him than the death penalty?
I agree and the life in prison vs. the death penalty is an interesting argument. I know I would rather die than spend my life in prison but I also can't wrap my mind around killing someone either...



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Re: Missing runner in Sidney

Post by ilovethecats » Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:23 am

like anything, it seems to just depend on the individual. some people plead guilty to horrible crimes just to take the death penalty off the table. others kill themselves in their cells because they can't spend another minute in prison.

we'd have a lot more money if we just killed them but i regress....



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Re: Missing runner in Sidney

Post by GRIZFNZ » Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:25 am

ilovethecats wrote:like anything, it seems to just depend on the individual. some people plead guilty to horrible crimes just to take the death penalty off the table. others kill themselves in their cells because they can't spend another minute in prison.

we'd have a lot more money if we just killed them but i regress....
I'll gladly donate some rope, maybe a bullet or two just to save some tax.payer $$$.

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Re: Missing runner in Sidney

Post by kcatz » Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:45 pm

I'm in no way condoning what either of these men did but I do feel just a little bit sorry for the 22-year old suspect whom has been reported as having the education of a kindergartner. It sounds like he may have been very easily manipulated due to his lack of common sense and/or intelligence
Don't forget this is the same guy that was out on bail and knew enough to tell the judge he had to go to Texas for a (nonexistent) death in the family but headed to North Dakota for work instead.

At some point you reach an age where you have enough life experience to make up for the lack of education. This guy still had to know what was right or wrong.

His on family says that the reason he went with Waters to look for work, was because he wanted to provide for his family (gf and kid). He knew that was the right thing to do.



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Re: Missing runner in Sidney

Post by kcatz » Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:45 pm

I'm in no way condoning what either of these men did but I do feel just a little bit sorry for the 22-year old suspect whom has been reported as having the education of a kindergartner. It sounds like he may have been very easily manipulated due to his lack of common sense and/or intelligence
Don't forget this is the same guy that was out on bail and knew enough to tell the judge he had to go to Texas for a (nonexistent) death in the family but headed to North Dakota for work instead.

At some point you reach an age where you have enough life experience to make up for the lack of education. This guy still had to know what was right or wrong.

His on family says that the reason he went with Waters to look for work, was because he wanted to provide for his family (gf and kid). He knew that was the right thing to do.



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Re: Missing runner in Sidney

Post by CapitalCityCat » Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:02 am

kcatz wrote:
I'm in no way condoning what either of these men did but I do feel just a little bit sorry for the 22-year old suspect whom has been reported as having the education of a kindergartner. It sounds like he may have been very easily manipulated due to his lack of common sense and/or intelligence
Don't forget this is the same guy that was out on bail and knew enough to tell the judge he had to go to Texas for a (nonexistent) death in the family but headed to North Dakota for work instead.

At some point you reach an age where you have enough life experience to make up for the lack of education. This guy still had to know what was right or wrong.

His on family says that the reason he went with Waters to look for work, was because he wanted to provide for his family (gf and kid). He knew that was the right thing to do.
I agree, but I still believe that a 22-year old with the education of a 5-year could be led to believe (by Waters) that he in fact would be making $2000 a week working in the oilfields even though he'd been let go from several previous jobs because "he just couldn't get it". I just think that he was a pawn of Waters, and got caught up in a very bad situation because of his lack of education. I'm not so sure that Waters traveled to the oilfields with good intentions in the first place. Don't get me wrong, I still think Spell should be punished severely even though he claims that Waters was the one who choked Arnold to death.


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