Bully

[cats2506]

Those that can't wrestle.............. play basketball

doesn't everyone make the wrestling team?! that's how it was when I was in school. you had to tryout to play basketball.....but anyone could go wrestle. in fact, i think we had some guys who didn't make cuts in hoops....so they joined the wrestling team a week late.

pretty funny conversation though. everyone please continue.

Actually they can, if they are willing to put in the work.

The thing is in Basket ball half the kids are sitting on the bench and are just somebody to scrimmage against, and when they lose they all seem to have someone else to blame.

Wrestling on the other hand, there is no one to bail you out when you step on the mat, you win or lose by yourself and if you don't put in the work you will lose a lot more. I think you would have to be involved in it to understand at all, but I don't think there is any other sport that builds character like wrestling does.

[TIrwin24]

That's a pretty naive statement if you think that wrestling is the only sport that can substantially build character.

There is a large number of individual sports that require the time, effort, attention to getting better and performing at an optimal level other than wrestling.

This however is off-topic, so I'll step off the soapbox

[cats2506]

That's a pretty naive statement if you think that wrestling is the only sport that can substantially build character.

There is a large number of individual sports that require the time, effort, attention to getting better and performing at an optimal level other than wrestling.

This however is off-topic, so I'll step off the soapbox

I didnt say it was the only sport

And if you are comparing it to baseball or basketball like somebody else (and I dont think you are) then you are pretty naive

[TIrwin24]

but I don't think there is any other sport that builds character like wrestling does.

And no, I'm not comparing it to a team sport like basketball or baseball.

[cats2506]

but I don't think there is any other sport that builds character like wrestling does.

And no, I'm not comparing it to a team sport like basketball or baseball.

So what are you talking about? figure skating or something like that?

[TIrwin24]

I'm not going to appease your stupid figure skating comment because it was, well, stupid.

To name a few: (In no particular order)

Track (running)- If you don't train you get beat. Period. besides the physical, it takes a serious amount of mental finesse as well to compete and beat the best athletes.

OC1 - This is not well known outside of Hawai'i and the west coast. OC1 means Outrigger Canoe 1-man. This is Hawaii's state sport and you will witness some of the very best overall athletes compete in this sport as you need to have the endurance to cross 20-40+ miles of ocean with 0-30' seas by yourself. Add the race component to it, you now have to race against fellow paddlers that are just as well trained and can read the dynamics of the ocean like a map. Incredibly humbling and character-building sport. The youngest person to cross the Kaiwi Channel (Molokai to Oahu - 42miles) last year was only 12 years old.

Wrestling - Since you've already got a chub from just the word "wrestling" I'll leave it at that.

Surfing - Now, you might totally scoff at this (like your stupid comment about figure skating), but, I've talked to some young up and coming surfers and their intelligence about competition, ocean conditions and the sport is astounding and totally beyond their years. These young surfers (if they're sponsored btw) will end up travelling around the world many times over before they're even 17. Kinda like the move the "Endless Summer" but on a professional stage.

These are a few sports that I'm familiar with, so I suggest you take off your blinders before making ignorant statements like you did above.

[CapitalCityCat]

Your post proves my point beyond a shadow of a doubt.

FACT is you hit a bully in the mouth they dont bug you anymore.........if they do you didnt hit them hard enough. the only problem with this is that most "parents" dont have the balls to tell their kids to stand up for themselves.

Your post proves my point that ignorance is bliss.

The FACT that you believe a victim of bullying can stop the cycle of intimidation by throwing one punch is ridiculous. It shows that you (and a few other posters) truly do not understand the subject of bullying


I'm happy to see that so many posters took the original subject to heart and started bickering about which sport builds the most individual character.

[AlphaGriz1]

Your post proves my point beyond a shadow of a doubt.

FACT is you hit a bully in the mouth they dont bug you anymore.........if they do you didnt hit them hard enough. the only problem with this is that most "parents" dont have the balls to tell their kids to stand up for themselves.

Your post proves my point that ignorance is bliss.

The FACT that you believe a victim of bullying can stop the cycle of intimidation by throwing one punch is ridiculous. It shows that you (and a few other posters) truly do not understand the subject of bullying


I'm happy to see that so many posters took the original subject to heart and started bickering about which sport builds the most individual character.

I understand it perfectly, which is why I didnt get bullied and neither will my son.

Trust me guys like you are creating a bigger problem than it needs to be with the way you go about things............but hey keep on keepin on.

[CapitalCityCat]

I have just told my son that when and if he is bullied

I understand it perfectly, which is why I didnt get bullied and neither will my son.

So, which is it Alpha? "if and when" or "never"?

[jagur1]

I have just told my son that when and if he is bullied

I understand it perfectly, which is why I didnt get bullied and neither will my son.

So, which is it Alpha? "if and when" or "never"?

Anywho, To what extent does any parent know how much bullying a kid dishes out or receives? It's not like we have cameras on them 24/7 at school and we all know a parents ablity to self Delude is strong in us all.

[ilovethecats]

Anywho, To what extent does any parent know how much bullying a kid dishes out or receives? It's not like we have cameras on them 24/7 at school and we all know a parents ablity to self Delude is strong in us all.

quality. and couldn't agree more. i have three kids and by all accounts they are great kids. but i know they are not perfect. yet every single time i have heard about stuff happening at school....it's ALWAYS the other kids....and never my kids! we all grew up and were either a bully ourselves or bullied others. maybe just once or twice for those of us lucky but it happened. and it'll happen to our kids too. and acting like there is one way approaching it is just as dumb as saying there is only one town to live in or one sport to play. what worked for you guys didn't work for me growing up. what works for your kids isn't going to always work for mine.

i have made it 31 years without ever being punched...or ever throwing a punch. despite being bullied for a stretch in middle school that i can recall, it just never happened. which was good for me because more times than not i would have gotten bullied......then beat up....and then bullied again.

bottom line is i'm not with my kids all the time. i'm aware of the peer pressures at school, and sometimes it makes kids act different at school than they do with me at home. if teaching your kids to fight back is what works for you than great. but don't act like that is the only way to do things. that type of thinking is what is sending our country in the crapper. my way or the highway. i'm brilliant and you're a moron. i'm ****** tough and you are a pussy. take a second and stop to consider that with almost all things....there might just be more than one way to go about this issue with our kids and how they deal with bullies. and while your head is out of your ass.....keep in mind that you're never going to know with certainty what your kids are doing every minute of the day.

[AlphaGriz1]

There is only one way to make a post and that wasnt it.....................

[ilovethecats]

There is only one way to make a post and that wasnt it.....................

literally...

[Old Skool Cat]

Your post proves my point beyond a shadow of a doubt.

FACT is you hit a bully in the mouth they dont bug you anymore.........if they do you didnt hit them hard enough. the only problem with this is that most "parents" dont have the balls to tell their kids to stand up for themselves.

Your post proves my point that ignorance is bliss.

The FACT that you believe a victim of bullying can stop the cycle of intimidation by throwing one punch is ridiculous. It shows that you (and a few other posters) truly do not understand the subject of bullying


I'm happy to see that so many posters took the original subject to heart and started bickering about which sport builds the most individual character.

Now here's a sport that builds character.....

[LTown Cat]

Those that can't wrestle.............. play basketball

doesn't everyone make the wrestling team?! that's how it was when I was in school. you had to tryout to play basketball.....but anyone could go wrestle. in fact, i think we had some guys who didn't make cuts in hoops....so they joined the wrestling team a week late.

pretty funny conversation though. everyone please continue.

Thats exactly right. At Fergus in any given year there are 2-3 kids playing bball that the wrestling coaches would love to have. I can't think of any wrestlers that we wish were playing basketball. Don't get me wrong--the good wrestlers are great athletes and I enjoy watching them compete (and had they chose basketball I'm sure they could have played it well). Unfortunately the majority of them are wrestling because they can't do anything else.

That all being said I'm not sure why there has to be stupid ass comments pitting the various sports against one another. We tell the basketball athletes to support the wrestlers--wish it was mutual. Hell, we even let the wrestlers come to our open gyms and play to stay in shape. We had 2 of them last night...

[LTown Cat]

Furthermore, the build character argument is retarded. Yes, individual sports build character but so do team sports. For example when a wrestler loses and hangs his head and like you say--has nobody to blame but himself...in basketball when the team loses and a player hangs his head he has teammates there to pick him up (yes, even the scrimmage dummies you referenced--they are a huge part of any team). I guess that is the difference. They are a team--they win together, lose together, etc. They learn teamwork, comraderie, leadership, and sacrifice for each other. Sure they could all blame each other, but a true team doesn't do that. So your saying someone like Shawn Johnson who mostly sat the bench last year would blame the starters for the UM and SHSU losses??? That's ridiculous! They are a team and they all go and work harder--together!! to try and make sure it doesn't happen next year.

Maybe this contributes to the fact that some wrestlers are so anti any other sport whereas team sport players are more apt to accept it for what it is and support the wrestlers????

[ilovethecats]

great posts. as someone mentioned, any sport can be great for kids. any activity at all to be honest. i wrote an entire thesis about the benefits of sports and how they help kids get better grades, better jobs, and overall better lives. the stats are crazy! personally, i can't stand hockey and soccer. never liked them. i appreciate them it that i know they require a ton of skill and endurance, but for me i never enjoyed them. and guess what...my oldest son decided to play hockey, and my youngest starts soccer this week! and i'll support them no matter what and i'm smart enough to understand they'll benefit greatly just by being involved. they also both golf and i can see the life skills they are learning here too.

in the big picture no sport is better than another. that is just stupid. some are far more popular. some i can't stand! but all of them are good for our kids and i won;t push my kids to do anything, and i'll support whatever they do. that's really all that matters.

[SonomaCat]

It seems like there have always been some wrestler-types that had a chip on their shoulder because sports like football and basketball get a lot more attention than wrestling, so they tried to justify theories as to why their sport is superior to others. Human nature, I guess. People like to create "us vs. them" scenarios in which "us" is superior in some way. You see it in white/black, Democrat/Republican, MSU/UM, basketball/wrestling, East Coast rappers/West Coast rappers, Ford/Chevy, Catholic/Protestant, Tastes Great/Less Filling, etc.

That said ... let's get our kids out of this mindset (as that can be a motivation for their desire to bully others -- to compensate for their own lack of self-esteem and desire to prop themselves up by figuratively or literally beating others down).

See how I brought it all back around to the original topic there?

[TIrwin24]

Whatever BAC

[ilovethecats]

you knew that was coming.