VERY BAD NEWS! Brandon Miller accused of murder

badasscat · Post by **badasscat** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 9:54 am

thuss wrote:Does anybody know how Wright was related to James Clarke? Maybe Catmom can shed some light on that one. Also it sounds to me the people involved in this were friends at one time or another. Is that true? I can't imagine what this has done to the friends of these people.

Clark was related to Wright through marriage before Wright divorced.

oldcatfan · Post by **oldcatfan** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:02 am

Too bad about Welsch's biting article this morning. It seems the Chronicle overlooked the statement sent out by MSU yesterday afternoon. The Gazette and the Belgrade paper both used it, as did the TVs. What is it with the Chronicle?

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:06 am

Just waded through this whole thread and I'm a little too stunned to comment on the murder and the numerous connections to MSU Athletics.

What really bothers me, however, is that when I read the Daily Colonic's line about "current players", my heart dropped. I immediately scanned the rest of the posts to see if any of our current athletes were later linked to the crime, but now it appears they have not been (at this time).

While I'm relieved, once again it appears the Comical stepped on their collective d!cks simply by printing 1 word. I know they're going to say they were only printing what the police gave them, but without any solid evidence against any current players, why wouldn't you err on the side of PROTECTING your hometown University, rather than accusing them first?

It sometimes seems as though the staff at the BDC is just sitting around, waiting for something bad to happen at MSU so they can jump on it.

I'm no reporter but it would seem to me if I were, I'd rather be right later than wrong first...

I just hope & pray that the criminals involved DON'T include any of our current athletes and that those athletes, our coaches, and the Athletic Department are all paying very close attention to what this is doing and will continue to do to the reputation of our shool.

It's a dark day in the Nation.

thuss · Post by **thuss** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:14 am

Did you read the gazette?

They had to include every bad incident that has happened at MSU. The whole second half of the article talks about Frank Brown and the coach that got caught with drugs. They just thought they should remind everybody or what? I don't get it.

irishcat23 · Post by **irishcat23** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:23 am

I'm one of those who has rushed to Branden's defense in the past, and that's not going to change. There are an incredible amount of speculation and rumors floating around right now, and I'm not going to add to that by donating my personal opinion. I've been contacted by the media and won't talk to them so I certainly won't comment here. All I will say is that I was told by the police who I spoke to that I should ignore the media at this point. Yes, they are given information from the police but that is largely misconstrued and contorted. Don't put 100% faith in everything you read.

LTown Cat · Post by **LTown Cat** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:24 am

thuss wrote:Did you read the gazette?

They had to include every bad incident that has happened at MSU. The whole second half of the article talks about Frank Brown and the coach that got caught with drugs. They just thought they should remind everybody or what? I don't get it.

I believe that was a copy of an AP article generated in Bozeman. I'm not sure exactly how it works but that was probably written by the Chronicle. The bad part is that that is the article posted on FoxSports.com and CBSSportsline.com

It really makes the whole University look bad.

grizsuck24 · Post by **grizsuck24** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:24 am

I'm confused about this Aaron Rich thing. Was he there?, was it his car? was it his relatives? I guess we will find out eventually, it just doens't make a whole lot of sense to me right now.

1BadBobcat · Post by **1BadBobcat** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:32 am

catmom wrote:
catamaran wrote:I just hope some of those who have rushed to his defense in the past show a little forsight on this one
Oh how I knew this comment would be made by you. What ever.

This whole thing so to terribly sad I can't tell you as a person who know all of the involved. I have been close to Branden, Freak and Aaron. They are all very respectful people (at least to me and my family). I can't make any comment about the circumstances because I don't have all the info yet. But what I do have is our "wonderful Comical "- that takes such great joy in being able to slam MSU or any other player or person associated with it with such glee. I am going to love to tell you the absolute truth on Aaron Rich's part in this whole mess. He doesn't have any - NO PART!!!!!. He was in another town where he lives. He didn't even findout that his friend was dead until Saturday (when he was in another state). He actually came down here this week to talk with the police and give them all of the info that he could. Also stating that Jason was not dealing anymore (as far as he knew). Then when he got home he then heard a loud banging on the door. It was the police taking his car!!???? I just can't wait to see the egg on our great police department. Maybe they should completely look into the probablity of this person could even do what you are accusing him of (alibi and time for travel, places they were at and at what time?? etc) Man they blew this one.

So, when the paper and anyone else prints that it was his car is going to see the wonderful paper that will read "you are now being sued for defamation of charactrer." He was not even in the city. Can prove it too. I just would like to know how they came up with his name. Just becasue he was a friend of his???? Then he happenes to own an Envoy (how many of those have you seen in Bozo lately??!!!) As I have alway said - what ever the paper prints question 50 % of their report and ignor the rest cuz it is wrong. I put everything that is true and good in this world that Aaron had nothing to do with this. Now when they finally print the correction on page 23, I want everyone that makes a comment about Aaron to say they were wrong in print and put it in as an attention to Aaron Rich. He is a wonderful young man and it angers me that he can be run through the mud without having "solid" evidence. How many of those kind of tires are on the road and who said that they were made that nite? This is so stupid.

One more thing before they make somesort of nasty comment on Ja'Ron Jefferson, he left to go home on Friday and heard nothing before he left probably because he spent his last few days here in Bozeman with his friends (that would include me and my family). He is now on his way to meet up with a christian basketball team that will be playing with in Australia (if anyone cares).

About them finding the bag in Q's locker. I have been told that the cops talked with him and let him go home. They knew that it belonged to Branden. He has gone home.

I will still stand by these kids because that is what a friend does. I may not be happy with what has happened but I will not condem them to hell without all the information. Sounds like there is enough wrong here to go around.[/img]

Whatever

This coming from the same person who told us in previous posts that Branden is basically a good kid and was on the path to getting his life straightened out. Not so sure your "information" is really credible. You may be too close to the situation to have a clear perspective. Right now, I will go with the information found by the Bozeman police and disseminated by the media until further details can be given. At this point, I am not willing to listen to second-hand gossip and "he said-she said" rumors. From the facts hand out so far, this could be much more involved than anyone could imagine.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:37 am

Is it standard procedure for a police department to reveal so many details about people related to a case who haven't been charged with any crime or accused of any wrong-doing? I just hope that anybody that wasn't actually involved in a negative way in this case is not tainted by the public reporting of their name in relation to this event.

Post by **rtb** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:39 am

thuss wrote:This is a discussion board!

Why shouldn't we discuss the newspapers comments? Everybody is innocent until proven guilty. We are just making discussion. People are going to draw their conclusions no matter what. let the people speak!

The newspaper comments are clearly free for discussion and I am not trying to stop what has been said, I am just trying to make sure that we don't degrade into the he said/she said/I know a guy rumors and such. So far about 98% of the comments on this topic have been fair and reasonable. I just know how easily this can turn into an ugly thread of rumors. I would like to stick with what is known to everyone and all we have is the media for now.

CatFamily · Post by **CatFamily** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:43 am

RTB.... I concur... thanks!

LTown Cat · Post by **LTown Cat** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:44 am

1BadBobcat wrote:
catmom wrote:
catamaran wrote:I just hope some of those who have rushed to his defense in the past show a little forsight on this one
Oh how I knew this comment would be made by you. What ever.

This whole thing so to terribly sad I can't tell you as a person who know all of the involved. I have been close to Branden, Freak and Aaron. They are all very respectful people (at least to me and my family). I can't make any comment about the circumstances because I don't have all the info yet. But what I do have is our "wonderful Comical "- that takes such great joy in being able to slam MSU or any other player or person associated with it with such glee. I am going to love to tell you the absolute truth on Aaron Rich's part in this whole mess. He doesn't have any - NO PART!!!!!. He was in another town where he lives. He didn't even findout that his friend was dead until Saturday (when he was in another state). He actually came down here this week to talk with the police and give them all of the info that he could. Also stating that Jason was not dealing anymore (as far as he knew). Then when he got home he then heard a loud banging on the door. It was the police taking his car!!???? I just can't wait to see the egg on our great police department. Maybe they should completely look into the probablity of this person could even do what you are accusing him of (alibi and time for travel, places they were at and at what time?? etc) Man they blew this one.

So, when the paper and anyone else prints that it was his car is going to see the wonderful paper that will read "you are now being sued for defamation of charactrer." He was not even in the city. Can prove it too. I just would like to know how they came up with his name. Just becasue he was a friend of his???? Then he happenes to own an Envoy (how many of those have you seen in Bozo lately??!!!) As I have alway said - what ever the paper prints question 50 % of their report and ignor the rest cuz it is wrong. I put everything that is true and good in this world that Aaron had nothing to do with this. Now when they finally print the correction on page 23, I want everyone that makes a comment about Aaron to say they were wrong in print and put it in as an attention to Aaron Rich. He is a wonderful young man and it angers me that he can be run through the mud without having "solid" evidence. How many of those kind of tires are on the road and who said that they were made that nite? This is so stupid.

One more thing before they make somesort of nasty comment on Ja'Ron Jefferson, he left to go home on Friday and heard nothing before he left probably because he spent his last few days here in Bozeman with his friends (that would include me and my family). He is now on his way to meet up with a christian basketball team that will be playing with in Australia (if anyone cares).

About them finding the bag in Q's locker. I have been told that the cops talked with him and let him go home. They knew that it belonged to Branden. He has gone home.

I will still stand by these kids because that is what a friend does. I may not be happy with what has happened but I will not condem them to hell without all the information. Sounds like there is enough wrong here to go around.[/img]
Whatever This coming from the same person who told us in previous posts that Branden is basically a good kid and was on the path to getting his life straightened out. Not so sure your "information" is really credible. You may be too close to the situation to have a clear perspective. Right now, I will go with the information found by the Bozeman police and disseminated by the media until further details can be given. At this point, I am not willing to listen to second-hand gossip and "he said-she said" rumors. From the facts hand out so far, this could be much more involved than anyone could imagine.

I agree, where there is smoke there is fire. If you associate with people involved in this sort of behavior you can easily find yourself involved, like it or not. We'll have to see how it unravels.

LTown Cat · Post by **LTown Cat** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:46 am

rtb wrote:
thuss wrote:This is a discussion board!

Why shouldn't we discuss the newspapers comments? Everybody is innocent until proven guilty. We are just making discussion. People are going to draw their conclusions no matter what. let the people speak!
The newspaper comments are clearly free for discussion and I am not trying to stop what has been said, I am just trying to make sure that we don't degrade into the he said/she said/I know a guy rumors and such. So far about 98% of the comments on this topic have been fair and reasonable. I just know how easily this can turn into an ugly thread of rumors. I would like to stick with what is known to everyone and all we have is the media for now.

Agreed--don't assume. If the paper already assumed it we should be able to discuss it.

catamaran · Post by **catamaran** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:49 am

It really seems strange to me (just one part as there are many "smelly" things about the whole thing) that the press is releasing names of "witnesses" when one of the reasons given for the $1 million bail was to protect said witnesses.

crazycat · Post by **crazycat** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:52 am

I don't see where the paper assumed anything. The Chronical said a current athlete is involved and one is involved. Jacque Wilson's locker is where the guns were found. Whether he had a thing to do with how they got there doesn't matter. At this point he's involved and the paper was correct in its statement.

badasscat · Post by **badasscat** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:57 am

I miss the days when you may read in the court docs. (in the back of the paper) that a MSU player got a MIP. Now murder, drugs, and rape on the front page. This is just insane, as a former student-athlete and representative of the university I am outraged, as a fan I am deeply saddened, and a member of society I am just disgusted at this situation. I think now would be a good time for the media to show a little class and stress the fact that at this time there is no current connection with these despicable individuals and MSU.

LTown Cat · Post by **LTown Cat** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:58 am

crazycat wrote:I don't see where the paper assumed anything. The Chronical said a current athlete is involved and one is involved. Jacque Wilson's locker is where the guns were found. Whether he had a thing to do with how they got there doesn't matter. At this point he's involved and the paper was correct in its statement.

Assume is the wrong word--we shouldn't assume, but if the Chronicle (or any paper) print it we should be able to discuss it. That is all I was saying.

catmom · Post by **catmom** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:05 am

I guess first hand information is not good enough. I will love to see what is said when the "truth" acutually comes out about Aaron. He was not here, his car was not here. I don't trust anything that is done or said by either the paper or the police here.

Regarding the comment that he knew that Jason was dead prior to it being in the paper. Oh please!!!!!!! I have had information about things (including deaths) that have not been "released" before and that doesn't mean a darn thing. The fact that he knew that he was shot, does anyone read the paper. They said that there were gun shots heard. I tell you that the information tree here is a heck of a lot more accurate that anything I have ever read in the paper.

I don't really care if you believe me or not 1bbc about either Branden or Aaron. I know Branden. He is a nice kid that has taken the wrong path. There have been people trying to help him prior to this incident but we all failed. That is something we have to live with. We just had dinner with him at my house last week. It is all a very sad thing that has affected my family deeply. I wish I could have done more to help this nice kid. This whole thing is just so sad.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:11 am

If it turns out that Rich was not in town, I do hope that the police via the press do make this fact known to everyone, as well as any other factual corrections that will surely come out as the details become more firm.

This is why I was wondering about the quick release of all of the names of other people. For instance, if it turns out that Jacques was not involved in any way, was it necessary to disclose that the guns were in his locker? Or would it have been more prudent to wait until his exact role was determined before bringing his name into it (and not bringing it in at all unless he actually was involved)?

These are ethical and legal questions that are beyond my scope of knowledge ... but they are a little troubling to me.

grizsuck24 · Post by **grizsuck24** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:13 am

I agree w/ catmom about Brandon to a point, all my interactions w/ Brandon have been good ones. He seemed to be a softspoken, polite kid. I definately connot say the same about the people he hung around with,. I guess people can get mixed up with the wrong people combined with drugs and it can lead to something like this. I do not know Branden well, this was just my impression of him.