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Liberals have no class

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 1:46 pm
by Stevicat
From the Los Angeles Times

A Eulogy for King, a Scolding for Bush

The funeral for the civil rights leader becomes a platform for criticizing the president's policies.

By Richard Fausset and Peter Wallsten, Times Staff Writers

February 8, 2006

LITHONIA, Ga. — A day of eulogizing Coretta Scott King turned into a rare, in-person rebuke of President Bush, with a succession of civil rights and political leaders assailing White House policies as evidence that the dream of social and racial equality pursued by King and her slain husband was far from reality.

Bush and his wife, Laura, sat on stage as more than 10,000 cheered suggestions from several speakers that the 1960s civil rights movement led by the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. — and fostered by his widow since his assassination — remains alive and that its goals have not been fully realized. They cited the debates in Washington over the war in Iraq, the recovery from Hurricane Katrina and government eavesdropping.

Tuesday's six-hour service, much of it carried live nationally on cable television, marked an unusual combination of political pageantry and civil rights history. The spectacle included humor, interpretive dance, gospel and classical music, shouting and testifying, and a list of dignitaries that made room for three former presidents, poet Maya Angelou and singer Michael Bolton.

But it also included pointed political commentary, much of it aimed at Bush. The president and his wife watched as the sanctuary at New Birth Missionary Baptist Church near Atlanta filled with raucous cheers for their White House predecessors, Bill and Hillary Rodham Clinton — a reminder that five years into his term, Bush and the Republican Party have not found the acceptance across black America that GOP strategists had hoped.

"This commemorative ceremony this morning and this afternoon is not only to acknowledge the great contributions of Coretta and Martin, but to remind us that the struggle for equal rights is not over," former Democratic President Carter said to applause. "We only have to recall the color of the faces of those in Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi, those who were most devastated by Katrina, to know that there are not yet equal opportunities for all Americans."

Carter, who has had a strained relationship with Bush, drew cheers when he used the Kings' struggle as a reminder of the recent debate over whether Bush violated civil liberties protections by ordering warrantless surveillance of some domestic phone calls and e-mails.

Noting that the Kings' work was "not appreciated even at the highest level of the government," Carter said: "It was difficult for them personally — with the civil liberties of both husband and wife violated as they became the target of secret government wiretapping, other surveillance, and as you know, harassment from the FBI." Bush has said his own program of warrantless wiretapping is aimed at stopping terrorists.

The most overtly partisan remarks came from the Rev. Joseph Lowery, a King protege and longtime Bush critic, who noted Coretta King's opposition to the war in Iraq and criticized Bush's commitment to boosting the poor.

"She deplored the terror inflicted by our smart bombs on missions way afar," Lowery said. "We know now there were no weapons of mass destruction over there. But Coretta knew, and we knew, that there are weapons of misdirection right down here. Millions without health insurance. Poverty abounds. For war, billions more, but no more for the poor."

As the barbs flew, Bush seemed to take the heat in stride, smiling at times, giving Lowery a standing ovation and even pulling the civil rights leader in for a bear hug.

The president received polite applause before and after his seven-minute eulogy, in which he said he attended the service "to offer the sympathy of our entire nation at the passing of a woman who worked to make our nation whole."

"As a great movement of history took shape, her dignity was a daily rebuke to the pettiness and cruelty of segregation," the president said.

Sitting with Bush on the stage by King's flower-draped casket were three ex-presidents: Clinton, Carter and the president's father, George H. W. Bush, along with one potential presidential candidate, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, a Democrat from New York.

The Clintons flew to Georgia with the Bushes aboard Air Force One, giving the couples a chance to chat. Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman, who has spent months traveling the country addressing African American groups and who this week leveled attacks at Sen. Clinton's potential candidacy, spoke with the former first lady but told reporters that his criticisms of her did not come up.

The appearance by Bush, who decided over the weekend to rearrange his schedule and attend the service, came as his approval rating among black Americans has slipped to the low single digits in some surveys — a direct response, some strategists believe, to the government's failed response to Katrina.

Civil rights leaders and Democrats also have criticized Bush's 2007 budget plan announced this week, which would increase defense spending while maintaining tax cuts for wealthier Americans and reducing aid to the poor.

For Bush, the service offered a rare face-to-face encounter with some of the traditional, liberal civil rights leaders, such as Lowery, whom he has avoided since taking office.

Though Bush has never addressed an NAACP convention as president, he has instead sought to build black support by reaching to more conservative pastors and business leaders sympathetic to his entrepreneurial vision of government.

New Birth and its pastor, Bishop Eddie L. Long, have been at the center of those outreach efforts; Long and other leaders of black mega-churches have met on several occasions with Bush at the White House to discuss directing money to faith-based charities, combating poverty and AIDS in Africa, among other topics.

But as the speeches continued Tuesday, the scene reflected the uphill struggle that Republicans have faced in courting African Americans, even before Katrina focused attention on black poverty.

Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) drew roars of approval when he invoked the 1960 phone call placed by his brother, then-presidential candidate John F. Kennedy, to Coretta King to pledge his help in freeing her husband from jail. Kennedy also mentioned the call placed by another brother, Robert F. Kennedy, JFK's campaign manager, to a local judge to inquire why Martin Luther King Jr. could not post bond. He was freed the next morning.

The sanctuary burst into applause when Sen. Kennedy said: "Robert called the judge."

Historians say that many African Americans had been backing Republicans until that moment, and they credit the Kennedy phone calls with securing the black vote for Democrats in 1960 and ever since. Bush's opponents won more than 90% of the African American vote in 2000 and 2004.

But for all of the bare partisanship, the service offered light moments and conviviality.

Former President Bush poked fun at Lowery, joking that he used to keep a score card in his Oval Office desk of their interactions. It was Lowery 21, Bush 3, he said, adding: "It wasn't a fair fight."

The elder Bush, who as a candidate for the U.S. Senate in 1964 spoke out against the Civil Rights Act pursued by the Kings, acknowledged that the service was an unusual experience.

"I come from a rather conservative Episcopal parish," Bush said. "And I haven't seen anything like this in my life."

Of all the assembled politicians, the applause was most thunderous for Bill Clinton.

"I'm honored to be here with my president and my former presidents," Clinton said, his wife standing at his side.

As he spoke, the crowd cheered and laughed. A few women shouted "Hillary for president," and both Clintons smiled.

The former president seemed to appreciate the undercurrent.

"This has been, I must say, a brilliantly executed and enormously both moving and entertaining moment," he said.

Bush deserved credit for attending the service, said Donna Brazile, one of the country's most prominent Democratic strategists who managed Vice President Al Gore's 2000 presidential campaign against Bush and worked for Coretta King in the 1980s. In recent weeks, she has met with Bush and spoken on several occasions with his chief political advisor, Karl Rove, about rebuilding New Orleans.

"They know they have to rebuild the foundations, and they have to rebuild a new platform with which to reach African American voters," said Brazile, who watched the service on television.

"President Bush listened, he stayed for three hours and there were times that you could tell visibly he knew that the sermon was intended for his ears only."

Brazile said the criticism of Bush was part of a tradition in the civil rights movement of "speaking truth to power." Bush "took it in the spirit of the moment," she said, "which was a testament to who Coretta Scott King was."

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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:06 pm
by mslacat
Define Frick'n Liberals

Typically when some whiney ass right winger meets someone they disagree with they label him or her a "Liberal" as a way avoid actually talking, discussing the issue. He a liberal so that's all I have to say! They don't have to back up their comments with facts or truths just the chicken ass line "Liberal".

Well here are some other "truths"

-Conservative support torture
-Conservative support lying to the American people.
-Conservatives put the interest of big business over the citizens.
-Conservatives believe in government control over the most intimate details of human beings lives.
- Conservatives support less taxes for the rich and more for you and I.
- Conservatives are Racists
- Conservatives are sexist
- Conservatives will send our sons and daughter to die for their own political gain.

- In short conservatives are absolutely contrary to what our founding father thought this country should be

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:17 pm
by catamaran
I think that diatribe may be why people "hate liberals"

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:47 pm
by Stevicat
mslacat wrote:Define Frick'n Liberals

Typically when some whiney ass right winger meets someone they disagree with they label him or her a "Liberal" as a way avoid actually talking, discussing the issue. He a liberal so that's all I have to say! They don't have to back up their comments with facts or truths just the chicken ass line "Liberal".

Well here are some other "truths"

-Conservative support torture
-Conservative support lying to the American people.
-Conservatives put the interest of big business over the citizens.
-Conservatives believe in government control over the most intimate details of human beings lives.
- Conservatives support less taxes for the rich and more for you and I.
- Conservatives are Racists
- Conservatives are sexist
- Conservatives will send our sons and daughter to die for their own political gain.

- In short conservatives are absolutely contrary to what our founding father thought this country should be
Must have touched a pretty raw nerve.

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:51 pm
by Ponycat
"Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) drew roars of approval when he invoked the 1960 phone call placed by his brother, then-presidential candidate John F. Kennedy, to Coretta King to pledge his help in freeing her husband from jail. Kennedy also mentioned the call placed by another brother, Robert F. Kennedy, JFK's campaign manager, to a local judge to inquire why Martin Luther King Jr. could not post bond. He was freed the next morning."

I wonder why ole Eddie didn't bring up the fact that RFK as attorney general gave Hoover the OK to wire tap the King's. Carter mentioned the wire taps but failed to mention this other small fact.

Oh the tangled weaves we web.

The whole thing IMHO was a disgrace and totally took the focus off and politicized the honoring of one of America's truly great citizens.

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:56 pm
by Stevicat
Ponycat wrote:I wonder why ole Eddie didn't bring up the fact that RFK as attorney general gave Hoover the OK to wire tap the King's. Carter mentioned the wire taps but failed to mention this other small fact.
It's OK and legal when a Dem president does it, silly.

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:05 pm
by SonomaCat
I'm not really following the logic behind the subject line on this thread. So because the speakers at the funeral spoke to things that the King family stands for, they have no class? On the contrary, it shows that they were honoring her in death in light of the ideals she stood for while she lived. That seems to be perfectly appropriate.

I'm not sure if the King family cares if it upsets some people that they don't particularly care for the current President and his policies ... but it is THEIR family funeral, so unless THEY complain, who gives a rats ass?

To Bush's credit, he attended the funeral and actually listened to views that weren't filtered. It was obvious that it was not going to be a warm crowd for him, and he did the right thing for himself, the GOP party, and the country by attending. He should do this more often as opposed to doing exclusively invite-only GOP appearances.

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:22 pm
by Stevicat
Bay Area Cat wrote:I'm not really following the logic behind the subject line on this thread. So because the speakers at the funeral spoke to things that the King family stands for, they have no class? On the contrary, it shows that they were honoring her in death in light of the ideals she stood for while she lived. That seems to be perfectly appropriate.

I'm not sure if the King family cares if it upsets some people that they don't particularly care for the current President and his policies ... but it is THEIR family funeral, so unless THEY complain, who gives a rats ass?

To Bush's credit, he attended the funeral and actually listened to views that weren't filtered. It was obvious that it was not going to be a warm crowd for him, and he did the right thing for himself, the GOP party, and the country by attending. He should do this more often as opposed to doing exclusively invite-only GOP appearances.
My point was that this is a funeral about CSK and her life. Why did many of the speakers feel it necessary to make it a political attack on Bush while he was there? Poor taste and classless, in my opinion. Bush had class by attending and speaking without a critical word about anybody.

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:25 pm
by G.W.Bush
Another interesting fact about the Kennedys was that they got involved in the Civil Rights Movement to gain votes in the South. JFK did not want anyone to know about his family involvement, and for that reason Robert was the one making the phone calls. All the "good" stuff the Kennedys were doing was some how kept quite, and the press never got a hold of the information until years later. The Kennedys were doing this for political gain, not because they were interested in the Civil Rights Movement.

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:30 pm
by SonomaCat
Stevicat wrote:
Bay Area Cat wrote:I'm not really following the logic behind the subject line on this thread. So because the speakers at the funeral spoke to things that the King family stands for, they have no class? On the contrary, it shows that they were honoring her in death in light of the ideals she stood for while she lived. That seems to be perfectly appropriate.

I'm not sure if the King family cares if it upsets some people that they don't particularly care for the current President and his policies ... but it is THEIR family funeral, so unless THEY complain, who gives a rats ass?

To Bush's credit, he attended the funeral and actually listened to views that weren't filtered. It was obvious that it was not going to be a warm crowd for him, and he did the right thing for himself, the GOP party, and the country by attending. He should do this more often as opposed to doing exclusively invite-only GOP appearances.
My point was that this is a funeral about CSK and her life. Why did many of the speakers feel it necessary to make it a political attack on Bush while he was there? Poor taste and classless, in my opinion. Bush had class by attending and speaking without a critical word about anybody.
And their comments reflected her life and what she has stood for. Bush is merely a guest there (and likely attending purely for photo op purposes, as you are reinforcing the ideas that little of what he stands for is in line with the deceased's views) and if his policies ran counter to what the deceased believed in, they shouldn't mute her life's work merely to massage the ego of the GOP or the President. If their words were in no way related to her life's work, that's one thing. But they were precisely a reflection of her life's work. Are you suggesting that funeral services for a person should be edited to only include happy thoughts about the sitting President, even if the deceased had labored to spread messages to the contrary?

I personally think it is classless to assert what another family should and shouldn't say or arrange to be said at the funeral of their own mother (and to further use it as an attempt to damn the movement that she was a part of).

So if the family felt it was appropriate, then it was appropriate. And like I said, it doesn't hurt Bush to hear some opinions from real Americans as opposed to props every so often, even if it takes the death of an American icon to accomplish that.

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:32 pm
by catamaran
I'm just glad Clinton found a spot in his speech to call her "foxy" :roll:

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:38 pm
by ChiOCat
mslacat wrote:Define Frick'n Liberals

Typically when some whiney ass right winger meets someone they disagree with they label him or her a "Liberal" as a way avoid actually talking, discussing the issue. He a liberal so that's all I have to say! They don't have to back up their comments with facts or truths just the chicken ass line "Liberal".

Well here are some other "truths"

-Conservative support torture
-Conservative support lying to the American people.
-Conservatives put the interest of big business over the citizens.
-Conservatives believe in government control over the most intimate details of human beings lives.
- Conservatives support less taxes for the rich and more for you and I.
- Conservatives are Racists
- Conservatives are sexist
- Conservatives will send our sons and daughter to die for their own political gain.

- In short conservatives are absolutely contrary to what our founding father thought this country should be
What exactly did you gain by this? Do you think you changed any minds? Do you think that a few of us conservatives went "you know, he has a point?"

I know I for one did not.

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:50 pm
by ChiOCat
And if the family didn't want President Bush there, ask him not to come.

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:57 pm
by SonomaCat
ChiOCat wrote:And if the family didn't want President Bush there, ask him not to come.
If they didn't want him to come, I'm sure that's exactly what they would have done. Maybe they wanted him to hear precisely what he heard? It might be the first time he's been exposed to that point of view. That alone is a victory for people trying to advance the cause of their deceased mother. What better way to honor her memory that to FINALLY have her message heard by the most powerful man in the world?

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 4:00 pm
by ChiOCat
Bay Area Cat wrote:
ChiOCat wrote:And if the family didn't want President Bush there, ask him not to come.
If they didn't want him to come, I'm sure that's exactly what they would have done. Maybe they wanted him to hear precisely what he heard? It might be the first time he's been exposed to that point of view. That alone is a victory for people trying to advance the cause of their deceased mother. What better way to honor her memory that to FINALLY have her message heard by the most powerful man in the world?
I highly doubt that he's never heard their case. He works closely with two individuals that who, were it not for the Kings, would never serve as a cabinet member in this country.

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 4:12 pm
by SonomaCat
ChiOCat wrote:
Bay Area Cat wrote:
ChiOCat wrote:And if the family didn't want President Bush there, ask him not to come.
If they didn't want him to come, I'm sure that's exactly what they would have done. Maybe they wanted him to hear precisely what he heard? It might be the first time he's been exposed to that point of view. That alone is a victory for people trying to advance the cause of their deceased mother. What better way to honor her memory that to FINALLY have her message heard by the most powerful man in the world?
I highly doubt that he's never heard their case. He works closely with two individuals that who, were it not for the Kings, would never serve as a cabinet member in this country.
True ... but Powell quit because he was being ignored, and Condi probably isn't whispering sweet nothings about social justice into George's ear very often. They are black, but that doesn't mean they advocate the same issues that the Kings did. He also knows Clarence Thomas, but again, probably not a great source of input about the voices of the civil rights front. That's not to say that their input isn't incredibly positive and valuable (much of it certainly is), but their input is likely not even remotely the same as the things he heard and saw at the funeral. There is a wide diversity of ideas within the black demographic, just as there is in every racial demographic.

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 4:15 pm
by ChiOCat
And political party? :wink:

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 4:19 pm
by SonomaCat
ChiOCat wrote:And political party? :wink:
I wish I could wholeheartedly say "yes," on that one, but it appears that both the Dems and Reps like to cast out people who think for themselves these days ... so I will just stick to racial groups for now. :wink:

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 5:04 pm
by DriftCat
mslacat wrote:Define Frick'n Liberals

Typically when some whiney ass right winger meets someone they disagree with they label him or her a "Liberal" as a way avoid actually talking, discussing the issue. He a liberal so that's all I have to say! They don't have to back up their comments with facts or truths just the chicken ass line "Liberal".

Well here are some other "truths"

-Conservative support torture
-Conservative support lying to the American people.
-Conservatives put the interest of big business over the citizens.
-Conservatives believe in government control over the most intimate details of human beings lives.
- Conservatives support less taxes for the rich and more for you and I.
- Conservatives are Racists
- Conservatives are sexist
- Conservatives will send our sons and daughter to die for their own political gain.

- In short conservatives are absolutely contrary to what our founding father thought this country should be
I do not support torture
I do not support lying to the American people
I do not support big business over the citizens
You want government control over our lives look no further than Hilary Clintons agenda
Tax cuts for the rich means more money invested in businesses meaning more jobs ( I have never received a paycheck from a poor man)
I am not racist
I am not sexist

In short, I am consertvative. Have a nice day.

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 5:17 pm
by ChiOCat
MM7CAT wrote:
mslacat wrote:Define Frick'n Liberals

Typically when some whiney ass right winger meets someone they disagree with they label him or her a "Liberal" as a way avoid actually talking, discussing the issue. He a liberal so that's all I have to say! They don't have to back up their comments with facts or truths just the chicken ass line "Liberal".

Well here are some other "truths"

-Conservative support torture
-Conservative support lying to the American people.
-Conservatives put the interest of big business over the citizens.
-Conservatives believe in government control over the most intimate details of human beings lives.
- Conservatives support less taxes for the rich and more for you and I.
- Conservatives are Racists
- Conservatives are sexist
- Conservatives will send our sons and daughter to die for their own political gain.

- In short conservatives are absolutely contrary to what our founding father thought this country should be
I do not support torture
I do not support lying to the American people
I do not support big business over the citizens
You want government control over our lives look no further than Hilary Clintons agenda
Tax cuts for the rich means more money invested in businesses meaning more jobs ( I have never received a paycheck from a poor man)
I am not racist
I am not sexist

In short, I am consertvative. Have a nice day.
I'm sexist! I think men ought to have babies!!!!