Fall enrollment 2023 record
Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:08 pm
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Re: Fall enrollment 2023 record
Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2023 7:19 pm
Fake number, doesn't end in 7.
Re: Fall enrollment 2023 record
Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:02 pm
Gris fans will tell us that it doesn’t matter, their failing university is still the flag ship.
Re: Fall enrollment 2023 record
Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:40 am
In addition to record enrollment, it looks like we just had 6 new building projects approved (https://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/n ... b5744.html).
Re: Fall enrollment 2023 record
Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 10:54 am
I remember Dave Lageson in Earth Sciences.wbtfg wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:40 amIn addition to record enrollment, it looks like we just had 6 new building projects approved (https://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/n ... b5744.html).
I think mark and Robyn are the people that donated $101 million to MSU Nursing a couple years ago.
Re: Fall enrollment 2023 record
Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 12:59 pm
Would be great if we could get more of these students graduated. Under 38% graduate from a 4-year program in four years and less than 60% get it done in six. But hey, at least the university will get more of that sweet out-of-state cash!
Re: Fall enrollment 2023 record
Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 1:14 pm
As bad as that is, Missoula is really pathetic (31%/48%).coloradocat wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 12:59 pmWould be great if we could get more of these students graduated. Under 38% graduate from a 4-year program in four years and less than 60% get it done in six. But hey, at least the university will get more of that sweet out-of-state cash!
Re: Fall enrollment 2023 record
Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 1:43 pm
Graduation rate is tough for the Montana schools, as they all essentially have open enrollment. Looking at MSU's data reporting it looks like our 4year graduation rate has gone from 26.9% up to 37.8%, while the 6-rate has only jumped from 56.1% to 57.4%.
Re: Fall enrollment 2023 record
Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:17 pm
Open enrollment has historically been the excuse for poor results but Montana's policy isn't unique and other states have better outcomes.
I've ranted about the Schooling Industrial Complex, of which universities are only one part, many times so I won't go any further down that rabbit hole. But I'll just say that high enrollment in a vacuum is not something to celebrate.
I've ranted about the Schooling Industrial Complex, of which universities are only one part, many times so I won't go any further down that rabbit hole. But I'll just say that high enrollment in a vacuum is not something to celebrate.
Re: Fall enrollment 2023 record
Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:24 pm
Yep. Far too many kids are shamed into attending college. Shame on our elitist educators...coloradocat wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:17 pmOpen enrollment has historically been the excuse for poor results but Montana's policy isn't unique and other states have better outcomes.
I've ranted about the Schooling Industrial Complex, of which universities are only one part, many times so I won't go any further down that rabbit hole. But I'll just say that high enrollment in a vacuum is not something to celebrate.
Re: Fall enrollment 2023 record
Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:35 pm
Elitist educators?grizzh8r wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:24 pmYep. Far too many kids are shamed into attending college. Shame on our elitist educators...coloradocat wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:17 pmOpen enrollment has historically been the excuse for poor results but Montana's policy isn't unique and other states have better outcomes.
I've ranted about the Schooling Industrial Complex, of which universities are only one part, many times so I won't go any further down that rabbit hole. But I'll just say that high enrollment in a vacuum is not something to celebrate.
Re: Fall enrollment 2023 record
Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 3:08 pm
I'm assuming sarcasm but it really is all part of the system. Most teachers from the late-70s to mid-00s were baby boomers who grew up in an age when the choices were: struggle with a factory/farm life or go to college and move up in society. That led to "everyone has to go to college". When you combine that attitude among society in general and the dumbing down of K-12 education, you get sub-40% graduation rates.wbtfg wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:35 pmElitist educators?grizzh8r wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:24 pmYep. Far too many kids are shamed into attending college. Shame on our elitist educators...coloradocat wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:17 pmOpen enrollment has historically been the excuse for poor results but Montana's policy isn't unique and other states have better outcomes.
I've ranted about the Schooling Industrial Complex, of which universities are only one part, many times so I won't go any further down that rabbit hole. But I'll just say that high enrollment in a vacuum is not something to celebrate.
Re: Fall enrollment 2023 record
Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 7:56 pm
Montana is desperately in need of a shift in perception away from "Bobcats or Griz" as the only two college options in the state. A lot of these kids who go to Bozeman or Missoula and flunk out would be far better served to go to a two-year college and study in a trades or workforce program that will get them into a high-paying career in less time and without the four-year debt.coloradocat wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 3:08 pmI'm assuming sarcasm but it really is all part of the system. Most teachers from the late-70s to mid-00s were baby boomers who grew up in an age when the choices were: struggle with a factory/farm life or go to college and move up in society. That led to "everyone has to go to college". When you combine that attitude among society in general and the dumbing down of K-12 education, you get sub-40% graduation rates.wbtfg wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:35 pmElitist educators?grizzh8r wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:24 pmYep. Far too many kids are shamed into attending college. Shame on our elitist educators...coloradocat wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:17 pmOpen enrollment has historically been the excuse for poor results but Montana's policy isn't unique and other states have better outcomes.
I've ranted about the Schooling Industrial Complex, of which universities are only one part, many times so I won't go any further down that rabbit hole. But I'll just say that high enrollment in a vacuum is not something to celebrate.
Re: Fall enrollment 2023 record
Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2023 12:23 am
MSU01 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 7:56 pmMontana is desperately in need of a shift in perception away from "Bobcats or Griz" as the only two college options in the state. A lot of these kids who go to Bozeman or Missoula and flunk out would be far better served to go to a two-year college and study in a trades or workforce program that will get them into a high-paying career in less time and without the four-year debt.coloradocat wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 3:08 pmI'm assuming sarcasm but it really is all part of the system. Most teachers from the late-70s to mid-00s were baby boomers who grew up in an age when the choices were: struggle with a factory/farm life or go to college and move up in society. That led to "everyone has to go to college". When you combine that attitude among society in general and the dumbing down of K-12 education, you get sub-40% graduation rates.wbtfg wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:35 pmElitist educators?grizzh8r wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:24 pmYep. Far too many kids are shamed into attending college. Shame on our elitist educators...coloradocat wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:17 pmOpen enrollment has historically been the excuse for poor results but Montana's policy isn't unique and other states have better outcomes.
I've ranted about the Schooling Industrial Complex, of which universities are only one part, many times so I won't go any further down that rabbit hole. But I'll just say that high enrollment in a vacuum is not something to celebrate.
Re: Fall enrollment 2023 record
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2023 1:25 pm
UM released their fall enrollment today.
https://www.umt.edu/news/2023/09/092523enrl.php
Based on the article, it appears that they had some nice growth. I looked for data though and it was not part of the news release. The link they provide for the data does not work. It caused me to look a little closer and they still have growth issues.
They claim an increase of 372 students for a growth rate of 3.7%. The article then touts the growth at Missoula College as part of the increase with an increase of 221 students. (It should be noted that 201 of this increase is dual enrollment high school students). That means the main campus actually only increased 151 students. Yikes! They also mention growth for their graduate degrees of roughly 69. Taking away the graduate students, their main campus only increased by 82 students.
https://www.umt.edu/news/2023/09/092523enrl.php
Based on the article, it appears that they had some nice growth. I looked for data though and it was not part of the news release. The link they provide for the data does not work. It caused me to look a little closer and they still have growth issues.
They claim an increase of 372 students for a growth rate of 3.7%. The article then touts the growth at Missoula College as part of the increase with an increase of 221 students. (It should be noted that 201 of this increase is dual enrollment high school students). That means the main campus actually only increased 151 students. Yikes! They also mention growth for their graduate degrees of roughly 69. Taking away the graduate students, their main campus only increased by 82 students.
Re: Fall enrollment 2023 record
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2023 3:16 pm
Thanks for posting, and I think you're right on. In addition, it looks like their freshman class increased by 22 students for a total of 1373.Cataholic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 25, 2023 1:25 pmUM released their fall enrollment today.
https://www.umt.edu/news/2023/09/092523enrl.php
Based on the article, it appears that they had some nice growth. I looked for data though and it was not part of the news release. The link they provide for the data does not work. It caused me to look a little closer and they still have growth issues.
They claim an increase of 372 students for a growth rate of 3.7%. The article then touts the growth at Missoula College as part of the increase with an increase of 221 students. (It should be noted that 201 of this increase is dual enrollment high school students). That means the main campus actually only increased 151 students. Yikes! They also mention growth for their graduate degrees of roughly 69. Taking away the graduate students, their main campus only increased by 82 students.
UM vs MSU
Total Enrollment: 10,327 16,902
First year freshmen: 1,373 3,634 (1,400 from Montana)*
*MSU's freshman class has more Montana kids than UM's total incoming class.
Re: Fall enrollment 2023 record
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2023 3:26 pm
Also of note:
UM's non-resident freshman: 574
MSU's non-resident freshman: 2,234
Tough to balance the books with so few non-residents.
UM's non-resident freshman: 574
MSU's non-resident freshman: 2,234
Tough to balance the books with so few non-residents.
Re: Fall enrollment 2023 record
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2023 3:41 pm
Re: Fall enrollment 2023 record
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2023 4:55 pm
Exactly. I have heard UM alum criticize MSU for having so many out of state students. Considering that the out of state student pay double the amount in tuition and have the highest profit margin, they are the most sought after students. Leave it up to a UM grad to not figure that out.
What is really amazing is how UM is selling these numbers. I hope the board of regents is smart enough to ask some serious questions. The financial condition of UM affects all of the states colleges and universities.
Re: Fall enrollment 2023 record
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2023 6:22 pm
How much has MSU shifted to being a part-time school? With population growth in the area, have more people moved in, gotten a job, then started their post-secondary education part time? That might explain a bit of the 6-year rate not moving as much as the 4-year rate.