anderson cooper - Jesus/Judas
Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 2:44 pm
New questions tonight about two people very familiar to Christians, Jesus and Judas Iscariot. The Bible says Judas sold Jesus out. But an ancient document, newly translated, tells a different story. Could it be that Judas was simply doing what Jesus asked? ROBERTS: Plus, a polygamist on the run -- we will take you inside his fringe religious sect and tell you why the FBI is searching for him -- all that and more when 360 continues.
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COLLINS: One week from tonight, Christians will be preparing for Easter. And they will be observing -- excuse me -- the events leading up to the crucifixion of Jesus. Key to that narrative are the actions of the disciple Judas Iscariot, who, according to the Bible, betrayed Jesus by turning him over to authorities.
But, today, along comes a bombshell, a newly translated ancient manuscript that challenges what we think we know about Judas.
Here's CNN's Delia Gallagher.
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DELIA GALLAGHER, CNN FAITH AND VALUES CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): He's one of the most reviled men in history, his name synonymous with betrayal, condemned by Dante to the inferno, but has Judas gotten a bad rap?
MARVIN MEYER, PROFESSOR OF BIBLE AND CHRISTIAN STUDIES: Generally speaking, he's portrayed as a -- a negative kind of figure in the New Testament, to be sure, because it is said that he is the one who turned Jesus over, betrayed Jesus to the authorities, and is thus responsible, in a way, for the arrest and the crucifixion of Jesus.
GALLAGHER: But now a 1,700-year-old document offers another view on this event. The Gospel of Judas, discovered in Egypt in the 1970s, has been translated and made public only today.
Marvin Meyer, an expert in ancient texts, was part of the translation team.
MEYER: He was the one disciple who, according to this Gospel, knew Jesus best and understood Jesus best of all of the disciples.
GALLAGHER: The Gospel of Judas was not written by Judas. The Gnostics, a group whose members believe the physical world was evil, wrote this Gospel in the 3rd or 4th century. The translation, for the first time, depicts Judas' side of the story. It says Jesus told Judas to betray him, that this would fulfill a divine plan and put Judas above the other apostles, saying, "You will exceed all of them, for you will sacrifice the man who clothes me."
MEYER: Jesus says, you will exceed all of the others, that is, all the other disciples. You will sacrifice the person who clothes me. That is to say, you will turn over the body, so that the -- the true spirit of Jesus can come to complete expression.
GALLAGHER: James Robinson is the author of a book called "The Secrets of Judas." He believes the Gospel of Judas has little historical credibility, because it was written a century after Jesus died.
JAMES ROBINSON, AUTHOR, "THE SECRETS OF JUDAS": It doesn't have any valid records of what went on in 30 A.D., and, therefore, doesn't change our reconstruction of what we think did happen in 30 A.D.
GALLAGHER (on camera): You think it's just a story?
ROBINSON: It's just mythology, yes.
GALLAGHER (voice-over): So, does it change anything? Will Christian churches change their teachings? Some say a 2nd century bishop has already revealed the Judas Gospel as false.
FATHER DONALD SENIOR, PROFESSOR OF NEW TESTAMENT STUDIES, CATHOLIC THEOLOGICAL UNION: The wager of most of Christian tradition is that the Gospels, the New Testament Gospels, present a generally reliable account. So, that's why, I think, early on, someone like Irenaeus, the bishop of Lyons, and -- around 180, says that this Gospel is erroneous, these claims are erroneous, and really should be of no interest to Christians. I think that still basically stands today.
GALLAGHER: Will these findings bring Judas a new image? Could they cleanse him of his bad rap?
MEYER: The jury's out when it comes to Judas. And this provides us with the occasion, then, to -- to reopen discussion and to find out what we really want to conclude.
GALLAGHER: Nearly 2,000 years after Judas and Jesus walked the Earth, discoveries are still being made. Tales about one of the most intriguing relationships in Christianity are still being told.
Delia Gallagher, CNN, New York.
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COLLINS: The National Geographic Channel is premiering the documentary "The Gospel of Judas" on Sunday night.
And here's some raw data now on the Bible. It is the best- selling book of all-time, with more than six billion copies sold. To put that in perspective for you, the second-best selling book is "Quotations From Chairman Mao Tse-tung," with 900 million copies. In the late 1960s, it was mandatory for every adult in China to own a copy of that.
And number three on the list, "The American Spelling Book" by Noah Webster, with 100 million copies sold. First published in 1783, it was the preferred English textbook in American schools through the 19th century.
See, you just keep watching, and the stuff you learn is remarkable.
(LAUGHTER) ROBERTS: I -- I know. And there is no end of intriguing tales about the Bible.
COLLINS: That's true.
ROBERTS: This book, this Gospel of Judas this month -- next month, of course, "The Da Vinci Code."
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
COLLINS: One week from tonight, Christians will be preparing for Easter. And they will be observing -- excuse me -- the events leading up to the crucifixion of Jesus. Key to that narrative are the actions of the disciple Judas Iscariot, who, according to the Bible, betrayed Jesus by turning him over to authorities.
But, today, along comes a bombshell, a newly translated ancient manuscript that challenges what we think we know about Judas.
Here's CNN's Delia Gallagher.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
DELIA GALLAGHER, CNN FAITH AND VALUES CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): He's one of the most reviled men in history, his name synonymous with betrayal, condemned by Dante to the inferno, but has Judas gotten a bad rap?
MARVIN MEYER, PROFESSOR OF BIBLE AND CHRISTIAN STUDIES: Generally speaking, he's portrayed as a -- a negative kind of figure in the New Testament, to be sure, because it is said that he is the one who turned Jesus over, betrayed Jesus to the authorities, and is thus responsible, in a way, for the arrest and the crucifixion of Jesus.
GALLAGHER: But now a 1,700-year-old document offers another view on this event. The Gospel of Judas, discovered in Egypt in the 1970s, has been translated and made public only today.
Marvin Meyer, an expert in ancient texts, was part of the translation team.
MEYER: He was the one disciple who, according to this Gospel, knew Jesus best and understood Jesus best of all of the disciples.
GALLAGHER: The Gospel of Judas was not written by Judas. The Gnostics, a group whose members believe the physical world was evil, wrote this Gospel in the 3rd or 4th century. The translation, for the first time, depicts Judas' side of the story. It says Jesus told Judas to betray him, that this would fulfill a divine plan and put Judas above the other apostles, saying, "You will exceed all of them, for you will sacrifice the man who clothes me."
MEYER: Jesus says, you will exceed all of the others, that is, all the other disciples. You will sacrifice the person who clothes me. That is to say, you will turn over the body, so that the -- the true spirit of Jesus can come to complete expression.
GALLAGHER: James Robinson is the author of a book called "The Secrets of Judas." He believes the Gospel of Judas has little historical credibility, because it was written a century after Jesus died.
JAMES ROBINSON, AUTHOR, "THE SECRETS OF JUDAS": It doesn't have any valid records of what went on in 30 A.D., and, therefore, doesn't change our reconstruction of what we think did happen in 30 A.D.
GALLAGHER (on camera): You think it's just a story?
ROBINSON: It's just mythology, yes.
GALLAGHER (voice-over): So, does it change anything? Will Christian churches change their teachings? Some say a 2nd century bishop has already revealed the Judas Gospel as false.
FATHER DONALD SENIOR, PROFESSOR OF NEW TESTAMENT STUDIES, CATHOLIC THEOLOGICAL UNION: The wager of most of Christian tradition is that the Gospels, the New Testament Gospels, present a generally reliable account. So, that's why, I think, early on, someone like Irenaeus, the bishop of Lyons, and -- around 180, says that this Gospel is erroneous, these claims are erroneous, and really should be of no interest to Christians. I think that still basically stands today.
GALLAGHER: Will these findings bring Judas a new image? Could they cleanse him of his bad rap?
MEYER: The jury's out when it comes to Judas. And this provides us with the occasion, then, to -- to reopen discussion and to find out what we really want to conclude.
GALLAGHER: Nearly 2,000 years after Judas and Jesus walked the Earth, discoveries are still being made. Tales about one of the most intriguing relationships in Christianity are still being told.
Delia Gallagher, CNN, New York.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
COLLINS: The National Geographic Channel is premiering the documentary "The Gospel of Judas" on Sunday night.
And here's some raw data now on the Bible. It is the best- selling book of all-time, with more than six billion copies sold. To put that in perspective for you, the second-best selling book is "Quotations From Chairman Mao Tse-tung," with 900 million copies. In the late 1960s, it was mandatory for every adult in China to own a copy of that.
And number three on the list, "The American Spelling Book" by Noah Webster, with 100 million copies sold. First published in 1783, it was the preferred English textbook in American schools through the 19th century.
See, you just keep watching, and the stuff you learn is remarkable.
(LAUGHTER) ROBERTS: I -- I know. And there is no end of intriguing tales about the Bible.
COLLINS: That's true.
ROBERTS: This book, this Gospel of Judas this month -- next month, of course, "The Da Vinci Code."