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No Teddy Roosevelts these guys

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:46 pm
by iaafan

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:48 pm
by HelenaCat95
Neither the Demcrats nor Republicans have a monopoly on hypocrisy.

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:50 pm
by catamaran
Does this mean since some of us didn't play D-1 sports we aren't allowed to have an opinion on them?

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:10 pm
by HelenaCat95
catamaran wrote:Does this mean since some of us didn't play D-1 sports we aren't allowed to have an opinion on them?
Only if your last name is Welsch or Hinkleman.
:wink:

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:32 pm
by grizbeer
I don't know if this qualifies as hypocrisy, but it certainly made me laugh:
Do as I say, not as I do

GREG JAMES
GUEST COLUMNIST
while they sit around sipping lattes in their protected, mostly white, upper-class enclaves.
Greg James lives on Mercer Island.

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:42 pm
by HelenaCat95
grizbeer wrote:I don't know if this qualifies as hypocrisy, but it certainly made me laugh:
Do as I say, not as I do

GREG JAMES
GUEST COLUMNIST
while they sit around sipping lattes in their protected, mostly white, upper-class enclaves.
Greg James lives on Mercer Island.
That is funny.
I hadn't noticed that, but that is what I meant by no one having a monopoly on hypocrisy.

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:01 pm
by SonomaCat
grizbeer wrote:I don't know if this qualifies as hypocrisy, but it certainly made me laugh:
Do as I say, not as I do

GREG JAMES
GUEST COLUMNIST
while they sit around sipping lattes in their protected, mostly white, upper-class enclaves.
Greg James lives on Mercer Island.
Well, it would qualify as hypocrisy if the writer of this article was doing the same things that the people he is criticizing are doing ... that is, sending people to die in war while themselves staying out of the action in their own lives (and sipping lattes in upper-class white enclaves).

But since this guy is clearly anti-war, he is not being a hypcrite.

His criticism wasn't about living in that kind of neighborhood, but rather living in that kind of neighborhood and living that lifestyle while making decisions about proacticely going to a kind of war that they themselves avoided fighting ... and all the while criticizing the Democratic leaders who did, in fact, risk their lives fighting in wars.

But yes, if the main theme of the article had been "Republicans are bad because they live in nice neighborhoods," then the writer would be a hypocrite.

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:31 pm
by HelenaCat95
BAC,
Good point on a more than subtle distinction. However, I do think that he comes very close to the "those in glass houses" cliche.

Anyway.......and now for a little hypocrisy from the left 8)

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/st ... 77,00.html

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:41 pm
by SonomaCat
HelenaCat95 wrote:BAC,
Good point on a more than subtle distinction. However, I do think that he comes very close to the "those in glass houses" cliche.

Anyway.......and now for a little hypocrisy from the left 8)

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/st ... 77,00.html
I would consider her statements ironic, given her history ... but she notes that change herself, so she's not being hypocritical -- she states herself that she doesn't consider herself to be "non-violent" in that same speech.

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:56 pm
by HelenaCat95
I guess anyone can "defend" their hypocrisy if given the opportunity to respond. I would bet that Bush, Cheney, Rove, etc. would deny any hypocrisy, if asked the question - and they would make a good case.

So maybe given what I think is your correct assessment of the Nobel laureate, I should refine my initial statement to say,


Neither the Democrats nor Republicans have a monopoly on irony.

How's that.
:lol:


Trying to speak objectively, I think that when I do it, it is ironic....when someone else does it, it is hypocratic.
:wink:

I think the :wink: proves me right.
:D

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 4:13 pm
by raincat
Take a look in Murtha's closet if you want to view hipocricy.

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 4:24 pm
by SonomaCat
HelenaCat95 wrote:I guess anyone can "defend" their hypocrisy if given the opportunity to respond. I would bet that Bush, Cheney, Rove, etc. would deny any hypocrisy, if asked the question - and they would make a good case.

So maybe given what I think is your correct assessment of the Nobel laureate, I should refine my initial statement to say,


Neither the Democrats nor Republicans have a monopoly on irony.

How's that.
:lol:


Trying to speak objectively, I think that when I do it, it is ironic....when someone else does it, it is hypocratic.
:wink:

I think the :wink: proves me right.
:D
Speaking to the big picture, I fully agree that both sides are hypocrites in many circumstances. I can't stand either party, so I have no problem agreeing with that.

And let's just say I agree with your logic ... and that I think you have proven yourself to be right. :)