Split - academics, alumni salaries, etc.

jagur1 · Post by **jagur1** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 8:52 am

Bozo. If you'd keep up. You'd know that Mullins wants to study Music. Hence the U of M academic program comment. Grow up. I'll give you a clue: Ms.U people act like they go to MIT. They don't. Point; if the school is so good & the people so smart why is your Alumni pay average so low?
Edit (please don't blame it on Montana. If you want to make money (as many do) they leave the state) ? do $ = smarts?

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:02 am

jagur1 wrote:Bozo. If you'd keep up. You'd know that Mullins wants to study Music. Hence the U of M academic program comment. Grow up. I'll give you a clue: Ms.U people act like they go to MIT. They don't. Point; if the school is so good & the people so smart why is your Alumni pay average so low?
Edit (please don't blame it on Montana. If you want to make money (as many do) they leave the state) ? do $ = smarts?

If that is the case, then I retract my statement above. And Jaeger, no .... MIT is a step down from MSU

Helcat72 · Post by **Helcat72** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:04 am

I don't think we an claim to be Stanford quite yet, although we do have some of the more rigorous curriculula in the conference. I think claiming superiority to the "dancing" school is a bit premature. Our academics are like comparing apples and oranges. There are not a lot of engineers who could try a murder case...and not many lawyers who could design a bridge! I will admit that they do have more curricula that favor "dumb jock" types (e.g Intersessions) than we do and probably attract more marginal "students" for athletics. I have no concrete proof of this, but thier basketball team has made an example of itself these past two years.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 10:29 am

jagur1 wrote:Bozo. If you'd keep up. You'd know that Mullins wants to study Music. Hence the U of M academic program comment. Grow up. I'll give you a clue: Ms.U people act like they go to MIT. They don't. Point; if the school is so good & the people so smart why is your Alumni pay average so low?
Edit (please don't blame it on Montana. If you want to make money (as many do) they leave the state) ? do $ = smarts?

Alumni pay average so low... compared to what? Most of the MSU folks I know (both in Montana and outside of Montana) do quite well, even those who only have MSU ungrads with no graduate degrees.

Cat-theotherwhitemeat · Post by **Cat-theotherwhitemeat** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 10:59 am

At the very least, grads from both schools will be making at least $6.25 an hour real soon. What will they do with all that extra dough?

jagur1 · Post by **jagur1** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:56 am

2 points

1: All the engineers I know are to socially inept to go before a judge, let alone a jury, and win anything. I'm sure a lawyer is smart enough to study bridge building and figure it out.

2: Compare the majors on the Big Sky All Academic list. MSU seems to have a lot of Dumb jock major for the so called cream.

That makes two kid that have gone to the U instead of Harvard. 2 years ago K. Ryan turned them down also. I never hear a kid turning down Stanford engineering to go play for MSU?

As far as Alumni Salaries. I've only seen a list of the top ten schools and nether Montana school is on it. My point being BAC if MSU was all you guys crack it up to be a lot more rich engineers would be lining up to build you a fancy new campus and stadium. A lot of people make a good living after MSU, but nobody is changing the world or getting superstar rich that I can think of. Those 1600 SAT kids go to a better engineering school than MSU.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 12:17 pm

jagur1 wrote:2 points

1: All the engineers I know are to socially inept to go before a judge, let alone a jury, and win anything. I'm sure a lawyer is smart enough to study bridge building and figure it out.

2: Compare the majors on the Big Sky All Academic list. MSU seems to have a lot of Dumb jock major for the so called cream.

That makes two kid that have gone to the U instead of Harvard. 2 years ago K. Ryan turned them down also. I never hear a kid turning down Stanford engineering to go play for MSU?

As far as Alumni Salaries. I've only seen a list of the top ten schools and nether Montana school is on it. My point being BAC if MSU was all you guys crack it up to be a lot more rich engineers would be lining up to build you a fancy new campus and stadium. A lot of people make a good living after MSU, but nobody is changing the world or getting superstar rich that I can think of. Those 1600 SAT kids go to a better engineering school than MSU.

Harvard doesn't offer athletic scholarships, so "turning down" Harvard is basically the same as "opting not to pay 25K a year to attend Harvard." Similarly, I turned down equally lucrative offers to attend various Ivy League Schools... my implicit rejection of their offer was my decision to not apply for admission.

I assume you are joking about engineers, especially since many of the attorneys I know also happen to have engineering undergrads. The skill sets are quite compatible. The only difference is that engineers from Montana schools can more readily get jobs outside of Montana.

As far as not being a bastion of super-rich donors... I think that is true for nearly all state schools. Most people with really deep pockets didn't earn the cash -- it's family money. The exceptions are few and far between. If you are going to a state school, it is likely because your family couldn't afford to ship you to somewhere more exotic, and even a really good career isn't one that one generally put you in a position to build stadiums. So on that point, I definitely agree -- there are few super-rich MSU alums. But that's not the same as saying that our alumni average pay is really low.

Hell's Bells · Post by **Hell's Bells** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 12:19 pm

Jaguar i am very sorry to have to do this to ya but i have to correct you on a couple of things about your post:

1) while one can say that engineers are two "socially inept to go infront of a judge" as you have put it, I would love to see a lawyer try and desigh a computer software program, a bridge, the electrical sceme for a mall project...ect...you get my drift, anythign a engineer does. While my engineering friends are proud about their "smarts", most of them are, yes very socailly skilled. Bolth Lawyers and engineers are smart, just that their knowledge base is a lot different.

2)i think it is rather ironic to read bobcat nation and see a fan of the school that had to place one of its basketball players in a intercession class so he can finish up his senior season to complain that a lot of our athletes are takeing "dumb jock" majors. What do you conciter a "dumb jock" major? It has been my experience that all college classes take a lot of smarts to pass, let alone get onto a all academic team

mthoops · Post by **mthoops** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 12:26 pm

Hey Moderators...are we getting a little off the topic of "Austin Mullans"?

wbtfg · Post by **wbtfg** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 12:32 pm

1: All the engineers I know are to socially inept to go before a judge, let alone a jury, and win anything. I'm sure a lawyer is smart enough to study bridge building and figure it out.

I've seen engineers give some pretty articulate testimony in front of city/county commissioners. I've also seen lawyers who don't know how to change a light bulb.

2: Compare the majors on the Big Sky All Academic list. MSU seems to have a lot of Dumb jock major for the so called cream.

Anyone can get a 3.0 at UM. I had a friend who transferred to MSU from UM. He had a 3.8 GPA at UM and had about a 2.5 GPA at MSU, and was working twice as hard at MSU.

That makes two kid that have gone to the U instead of Harvard. 2 years ago K. Ryan turned them down also. I never hear a kid turning down Stanford engineering to go play for MSU?

Rick Coppack (backup QB from San Diego) chose MSU over Harvard...I'm sure there were others as well.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 12:37 pm

mthoops wrote:Hey Moderators...are we getting a little off the topic of "Austin Mullans"?

Point taken.

CelticCat · Post by **CelticCat** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:09 pm

My friend too was getting great grades at UM, transferred over here to take architecture, and got slapped on academic probation. I'm not saying which school is better, this is an endless and pointless argument, just relaying a true story.

HelenaCat · Post by **HelenaCat** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:25 pm

No matter how good any of their programs are, no school with a "wintersession" like um's has any room to claim academic superiority. This is a joke and everyone except um graduates (at least some of them) knows it. It should be an embarassment for um, but it does not seem to bother any of them. I wish there was a way to make sure not one penny of my tax dollars went towards this fiasco.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:35 pm

So what exactly is this winter intercession thing that I have heard so much about? Why is it considered to be a joke? How do the classes differ during this session from the semester classes?

HelenaCat · Post by **HelenaCat** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:53 pm

Others probably have more details, but my general understanding is that the wintersession lasts for 3 weeks, but a full semester's worth of credits is granted. In addition, most of the "courses" offered are not considered the toughest in the world in the first place. It is really there for two reasons:First, it allows um to get many athletes eligible and is especially helpful for their BB program. I imagine it also helps get a few FB players eligible for spring ball. Second, since the campus is basically closed (ie dorms etc) over this session, it is a great way for President dennison to bring in tuition income with very little overhead, so it has to be a moneymaker for the university.

Bleedinbluengold · Post by **Bleedinbluengold** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 2:21 pm

Well, back in the day, MSU had interquarter sessions...don't know if they still have something similar.

To put the shoe on the other foot, I not only have 1 friend, but several that transferred to UM in order to break the chain...i.e., they were too busy partying at MSU to get good grades. When they transferred to UM, they settled down, and did what they were supposed to do.

I think it comes down to which school fits which kid.

All this talk about money, money, money. Makes me want to reincarnate as a trust-funder.