MSU vs ISU Thread

[iaafan]

Looks like EW will lose down 11 less than 4 to go
PSU 7-2
MSU 6-2
UM 5-3
EW 4-4
SSU 4-4
WSU 3-6
NAU 2-6
ISU 2-6

Sat: WSU @ MSU; ISU @ UM; PSU @ SSU; EW @ NAU

[CATTRACKER]

Well, the first half was misery, but the second half was pure joy. Marvin and Al get credit for keeping us in it until halftime. Diss broke the 3-point ice jam and after that it seemed like everybody's shots were falling in. The second half was definitely a beautiful thing.

Stay with it CATS. Keep the fire burning. Stay tough on D and keep passing the ball. The baseline is just waiting for you to take it home. One question for the guards. Why are you bringing the ball down the sideline? That is like playing 5 on 6, gives the defensive team another defender. You are asking for a trap. Get the ball to the middle. That's where the plays need to start from.

Enough coaching. It was a great way to spend the evening. The Brick got noisy tonight. The band was fantastic. Played at most time outs and cheered when they weren't playing. Who suggested that? Also, was nice to see a group of ROTC kids in camo. They came and made some noise.

I can hardly wait for Saturday.

[mjc]

It was great to see the FB players in attendance! The track & field team stood around the edge of the court and led the fans in singing the FIGHT SONG!!! The golf team sold 50/50 tickets and there were several tennis players & VB players in attendance as well.

Way to support each other.

[CatfaninGA]

Damn PSU, winning at NAU

This is going to be a 2 team race, we DO NOT want PSU hosting the tourny at their high school gym.

[PapaG]

Damn PSU, winning at NAU

This is going to be a 2 team race, we DO NOT want PSU hosting the tourny at their high school gym.

I'm going to guess that PSU would either host at the Memorial Coliseum or the Rose Garden depending on the schedule.

I've been to MSU/PSU hoops games at the Rose Garden. Let's just say my group had our own lower-level section (literally).

The Chiles Center would be another possibility along with a few other venues.

[Kadeezy]

You guys all think Sac State doesn't have a chance?

[iaafan]

Sac has a real good chance and for either MSU or UM to catch PSU, it may be necessary for someone else to knock off PSU. PSU has an edge in the tie-breaker, if it becomes necessary because they lost to what appear to be lower teams in the standings by season's end (ISU and WSU)(or beat higher teams).
After beating EW and improving to 4-4, SSU has all the more reason to be prepped for PSU. Should be a great game.

[rtb]

Damn PSU, winning at NAU

This is going to be a 2 team race, we DO NOT want PSU hosting the tourny at their high school gym.

I'm going to guess that PSU would either host at the Memorial Coliseum or the Rose Garden depending on the schedule.

I've been to MSU/PSU hoops games at the Rose Garden. Let's just say my group had our own lower-level section (literally).

The Chiles Center would be another possibility along with a few other venues.

PSU can not host the tourney in the Stott Center, there is no room for ESPN, that has already been determined. The Blazers are at home so they are working on the Memorial Coliseum. None of this matters though because MSU will be the host!

[MSU01]

You guys all think Sac State doesn't have a chance?

Sac hosting the tourney? Nope, at least not until they win a road game. Winning the tourney? Sure, anyone can win it.

[mslacat]

Just my two cents: Pat, Dissley on the back, but give a big hug to Moss and Beye for keeping the Cats in the game in the first half. They also had an outstanding 1st half and great game. If we are going to contend for the Title we need to keep these two involved in the offence and reward them for their great play.

Beye 6 for 6 from the field 12 points, 9 rebounds, 4 blocks, in 30 minutes.

Moss 3 for 4 from the field, 3 for 3 from the line, 9 points, 8 rebounds, in 28 minutes.


Give these guys the credit they deserve.

[MSU88]

Good game tonight and I was impressed with the way the team stuck it out and kept it close while the 3 wasn't falling. Way too many turnovers though. A lot of them came when trying to get the ball into Baye. I'm kind of down on Durr right now and I'm not sure he is progressing into a player that will contribute in his jr and sr. seasons. What does everyone think? He seems a little unsure of himself. When was the last time you saw him take anyone of the dribble. I know he may not be called on to do it much but I don't know if he even could. He seems to shoot OK but not great.

Woodall never made it off the bench tonight?

Durr is a role player.....his job is to pass, set screens, play good defense and not turn the ball over. You believe being a good player is being flashy, etc. He is not suppose to take anyone off the dribble. My guess is that he is doing exactly what the coaching staff is asking him to do or he would be on the bench like Woodall.

Did you notice he was in the game the last six minutes when they wanted to control the ball and milk the clock? It seems he has made a great adjustment from being the center of attention in a great high school career to the ultimate team player.

My opinion as you ask for it!

[MSUcantouchus]

I don't think you need to be flashy to be good. But I do think you need to be capable of scoring besides making an occational 3. Maybe he is not quick enough to score at this level. I'm not saying I don't like him but I'm starting to wonder if he is going to mature into a D-1 player. On good teams 4-5 of the starters are capable of scoring if needed. When he is a jr. and sr. and good enough to start(hopefully) will he be capable of scoring?

I think alot of fontier or D-2 players could come in here and do what he does, the rebounding, d, picks, and not turning it over, but be able to score as well determines if you can play at the d-1 level.

[MSU88]

Again.....he does what he is asked of my the coaches. There are too many shooters on that team now.......when would you expect him to shoot? He could not shoot 10 times a game if he made it his number 1 goal.

I am quite sure if Mick did not think he was D-1 material, he would phase him out of the program. He knows what he has with Carson.....100% of the time.

[MSUcantouchus]

Again.....he does what he is asked of my the coaches. There are too many shooters on that team now.......when would you expect him to shoot? He could not shoot 10 times a game if he made it his number 1 goal.

I am quite sure if Mick did not think he was D-1 material, he would phase him out of the program. He knows what he has with Carson.....100% of the time.

I can't agree that we have to many shooters you can never have too many shooters. You can have too many casters though. I do agree that you can't have only guys that just shoot from three and do on other kind of scoring. This was my point to begin with.

I would like him to be able to score in others ways if needed. And if he is on the floor he is needed. We can't have someone out there who is not a threat or they will trap and double team the scorers and leave the non scorer alone. You can say that player is valuable in other ways and he very well could be, BUT he is hurting the team on the offensive end by not being a threat.

[MSU88]

Can't agree, won't agree, will never agree!

[mslacat]

Durr is doing exactly what Durham wants him to do. Durr may never be a Jason Erickson but when he is on the court he does exactly what is expected of him. Not all of what he does shows up in the box score but he plays solid. Durr could be a star in the frontier but I think he likes it where he is at furhtermore watch Durr and you will notice he does not make mistakes .

[MSUcantouchus]

I think Durham would love to see him improve his offensive game so he wouldn't have to settle with a guy who can only "not make mistakes."

I consider it a near mistake to be so scared of touching the ball that he trys to get rid of it to another perimater player as soon as he gets it.

Maybe I just expect more out of a d1 player than others. I just think that he may not be up to par. I'm not saying he can't get there but I just don't see the tools being there. He lacks quickness bad, and the hops are not there either.

I have played with most of these guys in the summer and Durr is super nice and friendly but he all he did is shoot threes even then. I would have thought those where times when he could be practicing other parts of his game. Same with Dissly. You want to know who wasn't just throwing up 3's? Little Durham. He was a leader out there and was working on all aspects of his game. It shows as he is earning his PT. Last year I said to someone, he will never see the floor here at MSU. He proved me wrong by working very hard. I would like to see Durr do the same. Nice talking with you guys. I'm out.

[CATTRACKER]

Pee'd. I give about as much credibility to your posts as I do to your name. From the tone of your posts, I doubt that you "played with these guys all summer" or that you are even a true Bobcat fan. I am sorry you think coming onto this forum and blasting individual players is something you need to do. When your last post said you were "out" I was sincerely hoping that meant we had heard the last from you.

That being said . . . I hate that damned perimeter game as much as anybody. I think we have proven we are successful when we can get the ball inside, which opens up the arc for better shots. Thursday night everyone was missing from downtown, but the fact remains . . . you can't score points unless you SHOOT THE BALL. Someone has to step up and take a risk. And once the ice damn broke, most everything went in, the classic beauties and the off balance, last second hail mary's.

From what I see, Mick doesn't send the guys off the bench in there to score. He sends them in there to play the perimeter game, burn some time off the clock, and give the scorers a rest. Now, that wouldn't necessarily be my call, but I'm not the coach. Their job is to go in there and do what they are told to do. At best they burn 30 seconds off the clock and somebody throws one up that goes in. At worst they turn it over with a sloppy bad pass (which is definitely not their job) or take an early shot and miss, without getting the rebound. I will be the first person to admit I don't understand Mick's substituting style. It seems like he often pulls a player after they have made a couple of significant contributions, or just as they are getting warmed up and into the flow of the game. Can't figure that one out. Nevertheless. . . I think Carson is playing his role exactly as it is intended. It would be alright with me if he took some risk and shot the ball more, but it might also be the one thing that would have him riding the pine the fastest.

In summary, A TRUE BOBCAT FAN would not waste his energy thrashing individual players and tearing down the team in this forum. They would be at the games cheering on the team (whenever possible), NOT yelling at the refs, players or coaches (that includes those from the other team except on rare occasions ). For the fans who can't make it to the Brick, but listen to our buddy, Chris, we can feel the love. Keep up the loud cheering from wherever you are.

[BozoneCat]

Carson will do a lot better once he gains some confidence in himself. I think he has the tools, and I have generally liked what I have seen from him this year and last. It just looks to me like he doesn't really believe that he belongs out on that floor, which leads to him playing tentatively. Get that confidence up, and I think he will really blossom.

[85CAT]

I'll be cheering at the brick tonight for ALL of the cats. (Listen for me on sportsjuice!!!) I'm hoping for 40 minutes of b-ball like Thursday night's 2nd half. GO CATS!!!!