Bobcat fans I salute you!!

[Savage]

You guys are the most lovable losers I have ever seen. You have handled yourselves like champions in the face of your defeats. You’re the best in the Big Sky at handling a loss. Maybe if you can win the state wide recruiting battle someday and start winning you can rally the troops and the board of regents and buy a nice stadium. I mean your bleachers are OK and they get the job done I guess. I have one question though. What are all those sh!tty looking little tin sheds for? It looks like you have a bunch of over sized porta potties.

[GavinDonos]

/yawn

After all these years and griz fans still wonder why they're generally viewed as the asshats of the FCS.

Keep flappin' those buttcheeks, shrimpy, I'm sure someone still thinks you're funny or relevant.

I suppose as long as Griz fandom is a vicarious escape for guys with "little man" complex we'll continue to see these kind of banal posts.




Yip!

[crazycat]

Get a load of this Savage guy. He must be part of that Griz marketing plan we hear so much about. Where do I get my Griz mailbox?

I apologize to most Griz fans and players (it's a shame they have to be drug through this) for saying what I'm about to say, but remember it was one of your own fans that brought all this on and it's obvious he needs to hear this.

Is the Griz stadium the reason they were able to bring in guys like Coleman, Russum, Freeman and Quinn? Gee, Russum and Quinn were both first team All-Big Sky this year, too. Hmmm? Maybe that's what Ash was talking about when he called UM 'the program.' Owing a big part of your success to your coach's ability to bring in well documented problem-players (being paid to play, getting your girlfriend drunk and waiting for her to pass out and taking nude photos of her, charges of assault, and having a warrent for your arrest out) is quite a feat. Something to be proud of.

And before you start crying the glass houses line, remember that Kramer didn't knowingly bring in anyone with a previous record and it has never been revealed that anyone here had a previous record. All but one of our 'bad guys' either quit or were run off the team, then got in trouble as part of the general populace.

It's a still a black eye, but it's more than just a subtle difference between knowingly bringing in bad guys and bringing in guys that go bad after they leave your program.

But even if MSU's players did have priors, what about teams like EWU that played it straight up only to lose to you by one point. They're the ones that should be taking exception to all this. PSU by 3, NAU by 5, Weber by 8. Or don't you ever ask yourself where your team would be without a pair of first team All-Big Sky offensive linemen?

Savage: It's one thing to rub it in after your team beats someone, but your team essentially cheats to win and then you rub it in anyway. I really don't know what you're so proud of.

I'm not proud of what has transpired here either, but we've taken our medicine in the form of lost scholarships, a fired coach, a team that wasn't afforded adequate time to prepare for its season.

All I can feel good about is that it feels like we've put it behind us now.

[Bobcat Sig]

Crazycat ... thank you for that post! You embodied what I have been thinking for a while.

The unfortunate thing is that this weekend, I had the chance to meet and chat with a good number for Griz fans before the game and they were a pleasure to be around. So much so that my faith was slowly being restored about Griz fans. But this post only regressed that.

So sad ...

[Grizlaw]

I apologize to most Griz fans and players (it's a shame they have to be drug through this) for saying what I'm about to say...

Don't apologize. If you were sorry, you wouldn't have said it.

If you want to be petty and smack our program while we're a little down, then just do it -- a lot of us did not do the same to you when the shoe was on the other foot, but that's ok; I expect some of that from a rival's fan base. But don't try to act like you're the one taking the "high road," and that you're only doing it because of "bad" Griz fans like Savage. If you were taking the high road, you would ignore comments like Savage's, instead of responding like you did.

Saying "I'm sorry to do this...but I'm going to do it anyway, because of fans like Savage" is just chickensh!t. You don't need an "excuse" to be petty; just do it if you're going to.

[Savage]

Dear Cat Fans,

Thank you for giving me the satisfaction of knowing that my original post had the intended effect. You wasted a few minutes of your life responding to nothing more than a little poke in the ribs. Your position as a second tier Montana school has made most of you hyper sensitive.

Yours,
Savage

[SonomaCat]

Dear Cat Fans,

Thank you for giving me the satisfaction of knowing that my original post had the intended effect. You wasted a few minutes of your life responding to nothing more than a little poke in the ribs. Your position as a second tier Montana school has made most of you hyper sensitive.

Yours,
Savage

[Sigh]

Now we'll have to wait for PlayerRep/GF10/Greenie/etc. to post so he can tell us what you really think (although I hope there are no creepy and literally criminal threats on children in that upcoming post/pm of his). I don't believe anything you say until it has been approved and presented by him.

[crazycat]

Crazycat ... thank you for that post! You embodied what I have been thinking for a while.

The unfortunate thing is that this weekend, I had the chance to meet and chat with a good number for Griz fans before the game and they were a pleasure to be around. So much so that my faith was slowly being restored about Griz fans. But this post only regressed that.

So sad ...

I agree whole-heartedly with this. I've got just as many friends that are Griz fans as I do Cat friends. My family is more pro-Griz than pro-Cat. I know just as many Cat fans that are jerks as Griz fans (per capita at least). I don't dislike Griz fans, but I do dislike all fans that are like Savage.

I did what I thought was adequate to preface my remarks, so it's unfortunate that Grizlaw is taking this slant. Ignoring guys like Savage only perpetuates the problem. People need to know more of the details, not just the 200-word newspaper articles and 5-second sound bites.

It does bother me that my school has been drug through the mud by SI, Ashley Kroon, our own A.D., and been hit with an untimely firing that was a result of players who were no longer a part of our program and in turn has had an adverse affect on our players abilities to perform. If it was just APR and that one active player, which is exactly how it should've been looked at, then not of the above would've occured.

Meanwhile, UM's program doesn't suffer at all, other than arrests, when roster players, most who came to UM with prior criminal troubles are charged with murder, kidnapping, burglary, beating, pulling guns on women, and driving drunk. That's just peachy, your coach stays and leads his team to an undefeated season and your fans come over to our board (couldn't even keep it on egriz) and force feed a bunch of their B.S. down our throats. But according to Grizlaw we're just supposed to sit here and take it. Screw that!

It pisses me off.

[Savage]

Dear Cat Fans,

Thank you for giving me the satisfaction of knowing that my original post had the intended effect. You wasted a few minutes of your life responding to nothing more than a little poke in the ribs. Your position as a second tier Montana school has made most of you hyper sensitive.

Yours,
Savage

[Sigh]

Now we'll have to wait for PlayerRep/GF10/Greenie/etc. to post so he can tell us what you really think (although I hope there are no creepy and literally criminal threats on children in that upcoming post/pm of his). I don't believe anything you say until it has been approved and presented by him.

Yep I'm sure he'll be here in the near future. Is that guy incredible or what? Maybe you and GF10 can find common ground someday because he defected from the Bobcats after the 95 season (not a joke). How's that for trying to place yourself in proximity to greatness? He was a Bobcat fan then he switches to the Griz only after a National Championship and becomes a Griz super fan............(lame). I do love watching you and him slug it out sometimes.

[Thunder Cat]

Amen!

[tampa_griz]

Crazycat ... thank you for that post! You embodied what I have been thinking for a while.

The unfortunate thing is that this weekend, I had the chance to meet and chat with a good number for Griz fans before the game and they were a pleasure to be around. So much so that my faith was slowly being restored about Griz fans. But this post only regressed that.

So sad ...

I agree whole-heartedly with this. I've got just as many friends that are Griz fans as I do Cat friends. My family is more pro-Griz than pro-Cat. I know just as many Cat fans that are jerks as Griz fans (per capita at least). I don't dislike Griz fans, but I do dislike all fans that are like Savage.

I did what I thought was adequate to preface my remarks, so it's unfortunate that Grizlaw is taking this slant. Ignoring guys like Savage only perpetuates the problem. People need to know more of the details, not just the 200-word newspaper articles and 5-second sound bites.

It does bother me that my school has been drug through the mud by SI, Ashley Kroon, our own A.D., and been hit with an untimely firing that was a result of players who were no longer a part of our program and in turn has had an adverse affect on our players abilities to perform. If it was just APR and that one active player, which is exactly how it should've been looked at, then not of the above would've occured.

Meanwhile, UM's program doesn't suffer at all, other than arrests, when roster players, most who came to UM with prior criminal troubles are charged with murder, kidnapping, burglary, beating, pulling guns on women, and driving drunk. That's just peachy, your coach stays and leads his team to an undefeated season and your fans come over to our board (couldn't even keep it on egriz) and force feed a bunch of their B.S. down our throats. But according to Grizlaw we're just supposed to sit here and take it. Screw that!

It pisses me off.

No, that isn't what he said. You constantly preface every "All troubled Griz players were always troubled while our guys were never doing anything wrong while on the team and it isn't fair because UM is bad and MSU is good" manifestos with "I'm not trying to bash the Griz while I go on about this again but....". Just do it and don't be a coward about it. You clearly enjoy it and that's fine. Just don't hold yourself to some imaginary standard.

[tampa_griz]

Meanwhile, UM's program doesn't suffer at all, other than arrests, when roster players, most who came to UM with prior criminal troubles are charged with murder, kidnapping, burglary, beating, pulling guns on women, and driving drunk. That's just peachy, your coach stays and leads his team to an undefeated season and your fans come over to our board (couldn't even keep it on egriz) and force feed a bunch of their B.S. down our throats. But according to Grizlaw we're just supposed to sit here and take it. Screw that!

It pisses me off.

You left out earning BSC Coach of the Year.

[Savage]

You can point out all the trouble the program has had recently but you cannot deny that we have been beating your ass for years with out criminals. I will mention though that that your recent successes against the Griz you guys did have criminals on your roster. I would prefer that both schools clean up their act. BTW I don't hate the Cats. I just like jabbing their fans. It's fun!! Look at all the emotions I've been able to tap into!!

[catamaran]

You can point out all the trouble the program has had recently but you cannot deny that we have been beating your ass for years with out criminals. I will mention though that that your recent successes against the Griz you guys did have criminals on your roster. I would prefer that both schools clean up their act. BTW I don't hate the Cats. I just like jabbing their fans. It's fun!! Look at all the emotions I've been able to tap into!!

yep you've won two in a row by an average of 14 pts

[crazycat]

Crazycat ... thank you for that post! You embodied what I have been thinking for a while.

The unfortunate thing is that this weekend, I had the chance to meet and chat with a good number for Griz fans before the game and they were a pleasure to be around. So much so that my faith was slowly being restored about Griz fans. But this post only regressed that.

So sad ...

I agree whole-heartedly with this. I've got just as many friends that are Griz fans as I do Cat friends. My family is more pro-Griz than pro-Cat. I know just as many Cat fans that are jerks as Griz fans (per capita at least). I don't dislike Griz fans, but I do dislike all fans that are like Savage.

I did what I thought was adequate to preface my remarks, so it's unfortunate that Grizlaw is taking this slant. Ignoring guys like Savage only perpetuates the problem. People need to know more of the details, not just the 200-word newspaper articles and 5-second sound bites.

It does bother me that my school has been drug through the mud by SI, Ashley Kroon, our own A.D., and been hit with an untimely firing that was a result of players who were no longer a part of our program and in turn has had an adverse affect on our players abilities to perform. If it was just APR and that one active player, which is exactly how it should've been looked at, then not of the above would've occured.

Meanwhile, UM's program doesn't suffer at all, other than arrests, when roster players, most who came to UM with prior criminal troubles are charged with murder, kidnapping, burglary, beating, pulling guns on women, and driving drunk. That's just peachy, your coach stays and leads his team to an undefeated season and your fans come over to our board (couldn't even keep it on egriz) and force feed a bunch of their B.S. down our throats. But according to Grizlaw we're just supposed to sit here and take it. Screw that!

It pisses me off.

No, that isn't what he said. You constantly preface every "All troubled Griz players were always troubled while our guys were never doing anything wrong while on the team and it isn't fair because UM is bad and MSU is good" manifestos with "I'm not trying to bash the Griz while I go on about this again but....". Just do it and don't be a coward about it. You clearly enjoy it and that's fine. Just don't hold yourself to some imaginary standard.

Only because it needs to be said. It's a marked difference. You just can't face the fact that this is the case, so whenever anyone brings it up you try to minimize it and sweep it under the rug. You're doing it again by trying to focus this issue on me and this dream you have about me wanting to bash UM. I'm not bashing, I'm just telling it like it is. Instead of coming after me (which isn't going to work out for you), why don't you contact Savage and the like and tell them to STFU. I wouldn't have brought it up if he'd just kept his blow-hole shut.

It's a simple fact and one you're not willing to face: FACT - Your coach brings in players with criminal records. FACT - When they get into further trouble he's not held accountable.

[Savage]

CrazyCat,

I agree with you. I want to see some major reforms at UofM. I would rather the program die than be turned into the University of Miami. I'm sure you guys feel the same way about the Cats. The Griz coaches have no excuse IMO and need to be disiplined with no punshiment taken off the table including termination.

I remember someone on here commented about your loss of schollies. That was because of your low graduation rate and had nothing to do with the criminal activities of your players. So lets not call for the Griz to loses schollies too just because your players are dumb.

[tampa_griz]

Crazycat ... thank you for that post! You embodied what I have been thinking for a while.

The unfortunate thing is that this weekend, I had the chance to meet and chat with a good number for Griz fans before the game and they were a pleasure to be around. So much so that my faith was slowly being restored about Griz fans. But this post only regressed that.

So sad ...

I agree whole-heartedly with this. I've got just as many friends that are Griz fans as I do Cat friends. My family is more pro-Griz than pro-Cat. I know just as many Cat fans that are jerks as Griz fans (per capita at least). I don't dislike Griz fans, but I do dislike all fans that are like Savage.

I did what I thought was adequate to preface my remarks, so it's unfortunate that Grizlaw is taking this slant. Ignoring guys like Savage only perpetuates the problem. People need to know more of the details, not just the 200-word newspaper articles and 5-second sound bites.

It does bother me that my school has been drug through the mud by SI, Ashley Kroon, our own A.D., and been hit with an untimely firing that was a result of players who were no longer a part of our program and in turn has had an adverse affect on our players abilities to perform. If it was just APR and that one active player, which is exactly how it should've been looked at, then not of the above would've occured.

Meanwhile, UM's program doesn't suffer at all, other than arrests, when roster players, most who came to UM with prior criminal troubles are charged with murder, kidnapping, burglary, beating, pulling guns on women, and driving drunk. That's just peachy, your coach stays and leads his team to an undefeated season and your fans come over to our board (couldn't even keep it on egriz) and force feed a bunch of their B.S. down our throats. But according to Grizlaw we're just supposed to sit here and take it. Screw that!

It pisses me off.

No, that isn't what he said. You constantly preface every "All troubled Griz players were always troubled while our guys were never doing anything wrong while on the team and it isn't fair because UM is bad and MSU is good" manifestos with "I'm not trying to bash the Griz while I go on about this again but....". Just do it and don't be a coward about it. You clearly enjoy it and that's fine. Just don't hold yourself to some imaginary standard.

Only because it needs to be said. It's a marked difference. You just can't face the fact that this is the case, so whenever anyone brings it up you try to minimize it and sweep it under the rug. You're doing it again by trying to focus this issue on me and this dream you have about me wanting to bash UM. I'm not bashing, I'm just telling it like it is. Instead of coming after me (which isn't going to work out for you), why don't you contact Savage and the like and tell them to STFU. I wouldn't have brought it up if he'd just kept his blow-hole shut.

It's a simple fact and one you're not willing to face: FACT - Your coach brings in players with criminal records. FACT - When they get into further trouble he's not held accountable.

I can face facts just fine.

FACT - Bobby's going nowhere unless it's is of his own volition. Deal with it. Fields doesn't run our program.

FACT - You choose the facts that you consider relevant and ignore them when it's convenient as well as setting up arbitrary parameters to bolster your arguments. I'm not going into specifics. You know what they are.

You just make an ass of yourself every time you say, "I'm not trying to say MSU is better than UM in this regard but....."......."This isn't a slam against UM but......" Just say what you wanna say. No one really cares anyway. I'm just trying to help you.

[cats2506]

CrazyCat,

I agree with you. I want to see some major reforms at UofM. I would rather the program die than be turned into the University of Miami. I'm sure you guys feel the same way about the Cats. The Griz coaches have no excuse IMO and need to be disiplined with no punshiment taken off the table including termination.

I remember someone on here commented about your loss of schollies. That was because of your low graduation rate and had nothing to do with the criminal activities of your players. So lets not call for the Griz to loses schollies too just because your players are dumb.

Every one of those players that is dismissed from the team due to the off-field problems will affect your APR.

[Grizlaw]

Only because it needs to be said. It's a marked difference. You just can't face the fact that this is the case, so whenever anyone brings it up you try to minimize it and sweep it under the rug. You're doing it again by trying to focus this issue on me and this dream you have about me wanting to bash UM. I'm not bashing, I'm just telling it like it is. Instead of coming after me (which isn't going to work out for you), why don't you contact Savage and the like and tell them to STFU. I wouldn't have brought it up if he'd just kept his blow-hole shut.

It's a simple fact and one you're not willing to face: FACT - Your coach brings in players with criminal records. FACT - When they get into further trouble he's not held accountable.

You can say what you want about Savage, but at the end of the day, at least he comes over here, says what he has to say, and owns it. Imagine if, instead, he came over here and did this:

"Now, before I begin, I want to preface all of what I'm about to say by apologizing to most of you Cat fans, because I know that most of you are all fine decent folks...but since some of you are jerks, I feel like I have to say this, so for those of you who aren't jerks, please don't get offended. [insert Cat bashing, regarding your stadium, your program, your players who are criminals, your cheerleaders, and Coach Ash's son's dog here.]"

And then, after several Cat fans got angry and responded, imagine if he threw up his hands and said:

"Well golly-gee, I thought I prefaced all of this by saying I wasn't really bashing the Cats; I said I was only doing this because of the "bad" Cat fans out there, and I really don't understand what y'all are gettin' all fussy about..."

You see what we're saying, right? If you want to bash the Griz, that's fine...but dammit, just own it. Don't try to pretend like we're the a-holes, and you're the one taking the high road, because you're not.

[crazycat]

CrazyCat,

I agree with you. I want to see some major reforms at UofM. I would rather the program die than be turned into the University of Miami. I'm sure you guys feel the same way about the Cats. The Griz coaches have no excuse IMO and need to be disiplined with no punshiment taken off the table including termination.

I remember someone on here commented about your loss of schollies. That was because of your low graduation rate and had nothing to do with the criminal activities of your players. So lets not call for the Griz to loses schollies too just because your players are dumb.

Hey, thanks! I appreciate that. I wasn't implying that UM lose schollies. Again I appreciate your ability to acknowledge this.