Griz in 08

[kmax]

Uh oh, looks like Alpha doesn't know the official Griz fan way to talk about the Cat/Griz record. Come on, you either go back ~20 years so it's lopsided by the streak or you go all the way back for 100+ years so it is lopsided by when UM played a division above MSU, you know that. Now, if you want to go back around 50-60 years (i.e. essentially modern era of football with UM and MSU playing at same level for most of the time), I think you'll find a pretty even rivalry even despite a recent long losing streak by one side.

Actually, what you say is only true if you go back 50 years, not 60. Some quick research tells me that the series record over the last 50 years is 26-24 in favor of the Griz. That takes us back to 1957. The Cats won in 1956 as well (their first championship year); however, if you go back any further than 1956, you get into another long period of Griz dominance (8 straight wins, an 18-2 record over the prior 20 years, etc.)

But you're right, Alpha definitely needs to work on his selective fractioning.

http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia ... eamid=2087

Actually even at 60 years I consider 34-26 Griz to be a fairly even and competitive rivalry. But yes, that period is the one I was mainly referring to when UM was above MSC (at that time) in divisions. And that site is the one I was using as well to look at the records, great info, though it appears they need to update the MSU page as they still show Krames as coach.

[griztasteslikechicken]

Western States of Colorado @ UM
Montana School for the Deaf and Blind @ UM
Missoula Hellgate @ UM
Utah School for Unwed Mothers @ UM
<conf play>
UNC @ UM
Weber @ UM
EWU @ UM
PSU @ UM
MSU @ UM
ISU @ UM
NAU @ UM
SAC @ UM

p.s. FTG

[PapaG]

Griz in '08 < EWU in '08

Griz in '08 < MSU in '08

We'd be better served starting an EWU thread. They will be a darn good team next year.

[Grizlaw]

Actually even at 60 years I consider 34-26 Griz to be a fairly even and competitive rivalry. But yes, that period is the one I was mainly referring to when UM was above MSC (at that time) in divisions. And that site is the one I was using as well to look at the records, great info, though it appears they need to update the MSU page as they still show Krames as coach.

Yeah, 34-26 is fairly even, I suppose. I guess to me, it's just weird to break the series down that way, because if you go back exactly 60 years, you're stopping right in the middle of a huge Griz win streak (i.e., the Cats only had four wins between 1904 and 1955).

I guess whenever I've thought about the series in terms of eras, I've always broken it down to pre-1956 (which the Griz dominated, though the Cats did win six straight from 1899-1903), 1956-1985 (which the Cats dominated), and 1986-present (which the Griz have dominated, though the Cats have won a few recently).

[AlphaGriz1]

Uh oh, looks like Alpha doesn't know the official Griz fan way to talk about the Cat/Griz record. Come on, you either go back ~20 years so it's lopsided by the streak or you go all the way back for 100+ years so it is lopsided by when UM played a division above MSU, you know that. Now, if you want to go back around 50-60 years (i.e. essentially modern era of football with UM and MSU playing at same level for most of the time), I think you'll find a pretty even rivalry even despite a recent long losing streak by one side.

Actually, what you say is only true if you go back 50 years, not 60. Some quick research tells me that the series record over the last 50 years is 26-24 in favor of the Griz. That takes us back to 1957. The Cats won in 1956 as well (their first championship year); however, if you go back any further than 1956, you get into another long period of Griz dominance (8 straight wins, an 18-2 record over the prior 20 years, etc.)

But you're right, Alpha definitely needs to work on his selective fractioning.

http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia ... eamid=2087

Actually even at 60 years I consider 34-26 Griz to be a fairly even and competitive rivalry. But yes, that period is the one I was mainly referring to when UM was above MSC (at that time) in divisions. And that site is the one I was using as well to look at the records, great info, though it appears they need to update the MSU page as they still show Krames as coach.

So I have to break the overall record up so it benefits you guys?

So do you have to NOW break your National Championships down and admit all 3 came at different levels?

It's amazing how people can't just take facts as facts and leave it at that.

[Cat Grad]

Uh oh, looks like Alpha doesn't know the official Griz fan way to talk about the Cat/Griz record. Come on, you either go back ~20 years so it's lopsided by the streak or you go all the way back for 100+ years so it is lopsided by when UM played a division above MSU, you know that. Now, if you want to go back around 50-60 years (i.e. essentially modern era of football with UM and MSU playing at same level for most of the time), I think you'll find a pretty even rivalry even despite a recent long losing streak by one side.

Actually, what you say is only true if you go back 50 years, not 60. Some quick research tells me that the series record over the last 50 years is 26-24 in favor of the Griz. That takes us back to 1957. The Cats won in 1956 as well (their first championship year); however, if you go back any further than 1956, you get into another long period of Griz dominance (8 straight wins, an 18-2 record over the prior 20 years, etc.)

But you're right, Alpha definitely needs to work on his selective fractioning.

http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia ... eamid=2087

Actually even at 60 years I consider 34-26 Griz to be a fairly even and competitive rivalry. But yes, that period is the one I was mainly referring to when UM was above MSC (at that time) in divisions. And that site is the one I was using as well to look at the records, great info, though it appears they need to update the MSU page as they still show Krames as coach.

So I have to break the overall record up so it benefits you guys?

So do you have to NOW break your National Championships down and admit all 3 came at different levels?

It's amazing how people can't just take facts as facts and leave it at that.

Then why can't you seem to comprehend there were only two "levels" in 76? We were the Small College National Champions and many wannabe "major" conferences were classified "Small" college

[AlphaGriz1]

I guess if you guys are going to make up and divide your own stats you can make up divisions as well.

[grizatwork]

Griz in '08 < EWU in '08

Griz in '08 < MSU in '08

We'd be better served starting an EWU thread. They will be a darn good team next year.

Given the serious losses the griz has with it's senior class and the cat's serious question marks at quarterback, I would put Griz 08 = Cats 08 until we see how the teams recruit, restock and rebuild. I would agree that the Big Sky conference championship appears to go through Cheney next year.

[rollo_tumasi]

As a Cat fan who has been down this road before, I know the Grizzlies will just reload and due to favorable schedule will only lose 1-2 games next year during the regular season. I would be more surprised if they lost three next year then if they went undefeated again. Their program just feeds on itself now, and I don't think they even need a coach to do well. I believe they will probably go back to kicking our butt on in-state recruiting this year even with an up in the air coaching situation. This doesn't mean we can't beat them next year, but we need to fix our QB situation & DB's as well.

[kmax]

Uh oh, looks like Alpha doesn't know the official Griz fan way to talk about the Cat/Griz record. Come on, you either go back ~20 years so it's lopsided by the streak or you go all the way back for 100+ years so it is lopsided by when UM played a division above MSU, you know that. Now, if you want to go back around 50-60 years (i.e. essentially modern era of football with UM and MSU playing at same level for most of the time), I think you'll find a pretty even rivalry even despite a recent long losing streak by one side.

Actually, what you say is only true if you go back 50 years, not 60. Some quick research tells me that the series record over the last 50 years is 26-24 in favor of the Griz. That takes us back to 1957. The Cats won in 1956 as well (their first championship year); however, if you go back any further than 1956, you get into another long period of Griz dominance (8 straight wins, an 18-2 record over the prior 20 years, etc.)

But you're right, Alpha definitely needs to work on his selective fractioning.

http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia ... eamid=2087

Actually even at 60 years I consider 34-26 Griz to be a fairly even and competitive rivalry. But yes, that period is the one I was mainly referring to when UM was above MSC (at that time) in divisions. And that site is the one I was using as well to look at the records, great info, though it appears they need to update the MSU page as they still show Krames as coach.

So I have to break the overall record up so it benefits you guys?

So do you have to NOW break your National Championships down and admit all 3 came at different levels?

It's amazing how people can't just take facts as facts and leave it at that.

Huh? Admit it?

Alpha, your euphoria over Hauck possibly leaving must be inhibiting your brain. MSU and almost any knowledgeable Cat fan are actually very proud of that fact. The Gameday Radio intro done by Rocky Erickson (don't know if they did it this year, but definitely last year and previous) proudly proclain MSU as "the only college football program to have won a National Title at three different levels." Sorry, but if your trying to smack against that, it's weak because I will gladly hold up MSU's three championships and have no problem with them being from three different divisions.

[kmax]

Actually even at 60 years I consider 34-26 Griz to be a fairly even and competitive rivalry. But yes, that period is the one I was mainly referring to when UM was above MSC (at that time) in divisions. And that site is the one I was using as well to look at the records, great info, though it appears they need to update the MSU page as they still show Krames as coach.

Yeah, 34-26 is fairly even, I suppose. I guess to me, it's just weird to break the series down that way, because if you go back exactly 60 years, you're stopping right in the middle of a huge Griz win streak (i.e., the Cats only had four wins between 1904 and 1955).

I guess whenever I've thought about the series in terms of eras, I've always broken it down to pre-1956 (which the Griz dominated, though the Cats did win six straight from 1899-1903), 1956-1985 (which the Cats dominated), and 1986-present (which the Griz have dominated, though the Cats have won a few recently).

Yeah, there are many ways to break done the eras which is exactly why in my original quote I just used a generic 50-60 years timeframe rather than randomly picking one.

[Grizlaw]

Yeah, there are many ways to break done the eras which is exactly why in my original quote I just used a generic 50-60 years timeframe rather than randomly picking one.

Fair enough. You have to remember, though, I make my living arguing incessantly over details that no one cares about.

[griztasteslikechicken]

I've got a better prediction for the Griz in 08-----

WHO CARES!!!!!!!!!

p.s. FTG

[tampa_griz]

I've got a better prediction for the Griz in 08-----

WHO CARES!!!!!!!!!

p.s. FTG

Nearly every poster on this board.....it's Griz Nation II over here. Especially you.....you even named your handle after the Griz.

[CARDIAC_CATS]

Uh oh, looks like Alpha doesn't know the official Griz fan way to talk about the Cat/Griz record. Come on, you either go back ~20 years so it's lopsided by the streak or you go all the way back for 100+ years so it is lopsided by when UM played a division above MSU, you know that. Now, if you want to go back around 50-60 years (i.e. essentially modern era of football with UM and MSU playing at same level for most of the time), I think you'll find a pretty even rivalry even despite a recent long losing streak by one side.

Actually, what you say is only true if you go back 50 years, not 60. Some quick research tells me that the series record over the last 50 years is 26-24 in favor of the Griz. That takes us back to 1957. The Cats won in 1956 as well (their first championship year); however, if you go back any further than 1956, you get into another long period of Griz dominance (8 straight wins, an 18-2 record over the prior 20 years, etc.)

But you're right, Alpha definitely needs to work on his selective fractioning.

http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia ... eamid=2087

Actually even at 60 years I consider 34-26 Griz to be a fairly even and competitive rivalry. But yes, that period is the one I was mainly referring to when UM was above MSC (at that time) in divisions. And that site is the one I was using as well to look at the records, great info, though it appears they need to update the MSU page as they still show Krames as coach.

So I have to break the overall record up so it benefits you guys?

So do you have to NOW break your National Championships down and admit all 3 came at different levels?

It's amazing how people can't just take facts as facts and leave it at that.

A championship is a championship no matter what level you are on. They were in the level on par with their opponents. I guess the Griz will jsut have to throw out their 2 championships when they move up to 1-A with your thinking eh?

Also, don't forget our NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP in Basketball too! Something the Griz will never win!

[MashTun]

Yeah, there are many ways to break done the eras which is exactly why in my original quote I just used a generic 50-60 years timeframe rather than randomly picking one.

Fair enough. You have to remember, though, I make my living arguing incessantly over details that no one cares about.

I know this only too well

Reference my discussion w/GL RE: whether Charlize Theron being beautiful is a fact or merely opinion.

[Eastcoastgriz]

Keep adding seats to that place - it will look really cool when the team goes .500 some year and all the bandwagon riders start jumping off. That will be one big, empty, quiet stadium.

You should be much more concerned about the 50% of cat fans who are bandwagon fans.

And we can speculate that , oh, say 75% of griz fans are bandwagon. You could have a lot to be concerned about was well.

We can speculate about the number of GRIZ bandwagon fans but we know the percentage is about 50% for cat fans as thats the increase in the number of fans the past few years.

[lifeloyalsigmsu]

Keep adding seats to that place - it will look really cool when the team goes .500 some year and all the bandwagon riders start jumping off. That will be one big, empty, quiet stadium.

You should be much more concerned about the 50% of cat fans who are bandwagon fans.

And we can speculate that , oh, say 75% of griz fans are bandwagon. You could have a lot to be concerned about was well.

We can speculate about the number of GRIZ bandwagon fans but we know the percentage is about 50% for cat fans as thats the increase in the number of fans the past few years.

Wow, for you to even seriously speculate on such a ridiculous topic makes me really question your intelligence.

Since you're into debating such nonsense, then play with some numbers from when Dornblaser Stadium was taken out in favor of Wa-griz stadium. What were the attendance numbers then versus now? When you come to that answer, let me know what you get.

[tampa_griz]

Keep adding seats to that place - it will look really cool when the team goes .500 some year and all the bandwagon riders start jumping off. That will be one big, empty, quiet stadium.

You should be much more concerned about the 50% of cat fans who are bandwagon fans.

And we can speculate that , oh, say 75% of griz fans are bandwagon. You could have a lot to be concerned about was well.

We can speculate about the number of GRIZ bandwagon fans but we know the percentage is about 50% for cat fans as thats the increase in the number of fans the past few years.

Wow, for you to even seriously speculate on such a ridiculous topic makes me really question your intelligence.

Since you're into debating such nonsense, then play with some numbers from when Dornblaser Stadium was taken out in favor of Wa-griz stadium. What were the attendance numbers then versus now? When you come to that answer, let me know what you get.

The attendance numbers went up after the move. Wa-Griz holds more fans than Dornblaser did.

[griztasteslikechicken]

Dornblaser was always standing room only as I recall.

p.s. FTG