Bobby Hauck Story

[Grizlaw]

WOW.

I've been gone a few days, but I just wanted to say that I'm glad to see the lunatics have regained control of the asylum.

[grizatwork]

Cocky and arrogant are byproducts of tense and nervous.

Wow. That makes absolutely no friggin' sense. I suppose now we're supposed to believe that you're speaking as a lying, hypocritical, ass-raper apologizing, dime-store psychologist? That actually might explain your ass-raping excuses. But seriously, is there no bottom to your lies?

If you guys could get through a post without all the name calling, people might take you more seriously. You can't stand that someone has a different opinion of the guy. Even when it's a substantial number of people. Just live with it and get over it. No one is belittling what you think of him.

If you could actually through a single post without lying about yourself, contradicting yourself, apologizing for ass-rapers, or wishing you were more important than you think you are we might take you seriously. Whose ass are you trying to finger anyway? No one here's interested.

P.S. You're a lying hypocrite.

It's called masking. Pretty basic stuff.
Also known as the persona, the mask is the appearance someone presents of himself. It's not an intentional misrepresentation of the self to others. It's the person as self-derived, and may change according to situation and context. So the tense and nervous person may appear grounded and in control in one setting, while seeming cocky and aloof in another.


I'm not trying to finger anyone's ass, you however sound like you have something of substantial size up yours. Whenever you want to lighten up, feel free.

Unless you are his psychologist, you are speculating. That is just wrong. One could speculate that cocky and arrogant are byproducts of just being better than you. That would be wrong too. Fine, you don't like him. That is your right. You are going beyond the pale by trying to psychoanlyze someone based on what you know about him.

This is where you guys get so twisted up. It is just speculating. I have an opinion about him, someone asked me why I said that and I gave the reason. You can't handle the answer. I'm just explaining what masking is to someone that apparently didn't know.

My concern with your posts is that you are not stating it as speculation. You are describing your impressions of Hauck's public persona as fact. You are stating that he appears arrogant and cocky and that that automatically makes him insecure. Your masking comment is also presented by you in a factual way. I assume that you know what you are doing and are intentionally doing it to get a rise out of tampa and eastcoast. If this is the case, then you got what you wanted. It is a dangerous game to play and could come back to haunt you.

[Eastcoastgriz]

My concern with your posts is that you are not stating it as speculation. You are describing your impressions of Hauck's public persona as fact. You are stating that he appears arrogant and cocky and that that automatically makes him insecure. Your masking comment is also presented by you in a factual way. I assume that you know what you are doing and are intentionally doing it to get a rise out of tampa and eastcoast. If this is the case, then you got what you wanted. It is a dangerous game to play and could come back to haunt you.

Didn't get a rise out of me, I'm just doing this for the entertainment value.

[GrizinWashington]

Good. Then we agree. It may not be unethical, but it shows poor decision-making ability to knowingly bring in players of poor character.

Unfortunately Bobby, unlike you is human. Guess what, humans make mistakes. You make the best decision you can at the time and more forward. One of the things I have liked about both msu and UM that we have been willing to give a student a second chance.

I agree with you 100 percent. You're admitting Hauck made a mistake. That's all I've been saying. I have a strong feeling we won't see him bringing in anymore guys with priors. Anything I'm saying is that I'm puzzled as to why he ever would since UM has a great team anyway. I don't think he improved your team by doing this. You have to admit, that's puzzling.

I'm not puzzled.

Do you know all the facts about the kids he brings in?? When he (or his coaches) were visiting with the students, parents, coaches etc, etc, were you a part of the conversation. Do you have any idea of comments made by the student and coaches?

As I stated before I hope we haven't stopped giving deserving students a 2nd chance.

I hope we don't quit giving deserving students second chances, too.

How many facts do you need to know? Quinn, Russum and Coleman had enough bad facts hanging over them and, considering the solid nature of UM's football program, it was a huge risk to bring these guys in. The risk/reward is very low. UM was going to be very good with or without these three guys.

Despite all that isn't this just a simple issue? Hauck did bring in some bad boys and it has become a needlessly embarrassing situation for the school and the state of Montana. It is then compounded when it is discovered that these guys (Coleman and Quinn), that have gotten into more trouble after coming to Montana, had legal problems prior to coming here.

And despite all that I hope deserving students get a second chance. The key word being deserving. I think a student that gets their first DUI or a MIP or steals a book from the book store or eggs a house deserves a second chance.

What if they break into the Mayor's residence while trying to elude the police? Do those guys deserve second chances? Did Ash make any worse decision than Hauck? Didn't think so. Every decision is a gamble. It's easy as hell for you to say BH made a poor decisions with Coleman. What about Russum?? PLEASE explain to me how that's been a poor decision. And about Ash and those breaking and entering kids???

[crazycat]

This is where you guys get so twisted up. It is just speculating. I have an opinion about him, someone asked me why I said that and I gave the reason. You can't handle the answer. I'm just explaining what masking is to someone that apparently didn't know.

My concern with your posts is that you are not stating it as speculation. You are describing your impressions of Hauck's public persona as fact. You are stating that he appears arrogant and cocky and that that automatically makes him insecure. Your masking comment is also presented by you in a factual way. I assume that you know what you are doing and are intentionally doing it to get a rise out of tampa and eastcoast. If this is the case, then you got what you wanted. It is a dangerous game to play and could come back to haunt you.

Obviously I have no way of knowing this to be fact, but I can appreciate where you might think I'm stating this as fact. But it doesn't even seem that you believe yourself when you make that statement.

I say this because, by using the words 'impressions' and 'appears' to describe what I'm saying makes it sound like you don't really think I'm stating this as fact.

That, by the way, is called a Freudian slip (parapraxis), which like 'masking' and 'persona' is a common word/phrase used in the English language based on pyschology. I'm not trying to be Mr. Smart Guy-psychology dude. Just explaining.

Another example of a Freudian slip is when someone calls their wife by another name. Now I'm digressing.

[tampa_griz]

Good. Then we agree. It may not be unethical, but it shows poor decision-making ability to knowingly bring in players of poor character.

Unfortunately Bobby, unlike you is human. Guess what, humans make mistakes. You make the best decision you can at the time and more forward. One of the things I have liked about both msu and UM that we have been willing to give a student a second chance.

I agree with you 100 percent. You're admitting Hauck made a mistake. That's all I've been saying. I have a strong feeling we won't see him bringing in anymore guys with priors. Anything I'm saying is that I'm puzzled as to why he ever would since UM has a great team anyway. I don't think he improved your team by doing this. You have to admit, that's puzzling.

I'm not puzzled.

Do you know all the facts about the kids he brings in?? When he (or his coaches) were visiting with the students, parents, coaches etc, etc, were you a part of the conversation. Do you have any idea of comments made by the student and coaches?

As I stated before I hope we haven't stopped giving deserving students a 2nd chance.

I hope we don't quit giving deserving students second chances, too.

How many facts do you need to know? Quinn, Russum and Coleman had enough bad facts hanging over them and, considering the solid nature of UM's football program, it was a huge risk to bring these guys in. The risk/reward is very low. UM was going to be very good with or without these three guys.

Despite all that isn't this just a simple issue? Hauck did bring in some bad boys and it has become a needlessly embarrassing situation for the school and the state of Montana. It is then compounded when it is discovered that these guys (Coleman and Quinn), that have gotten into more trouble after coming to Montana, had legal problems prior to coming here.

And despite all that I hope deserving students get a second chance. The key word being deserving. I think a student that gets their first DUI or a MIP or steals a book from the book store or eggs a house deserves a second chance.

What if they break into the Mayor's residence while trying to elude the police? Do those guys deserve second chances? Did Ash make any worse decision than Hauck? Didn't think so. Every decision is a gamble. It's easy as hell for you to say BH made a poor decisions with Coleman. What about Russum?? PLEASE explain to me how that's been a poor decision. And about Ash and those breaking and entering kids???

I fully expect crazycat to call Ash on the carpet if he ever praises those kids in the media.

[crazycat]

What if they break into the Mayor's residence while trying to elude the police? Do those guys deserve second chances? Did Ash make any worse decision than Hauck? Didn't think so. Every decision is a gamble. It's easy as hell for you to say BH made a poor decisions with Coleman. What about Russum?? PLEASE explain to me how that's been a poor decision. And about Ash and those breaking and entering kids???

Hello? That's what I was alluding to when I mentioned egging houses. But you really aren't comparing egging houses and running from the cops to doing the Russum (I've explained it enough, no need to go back into those details, so will just call it 'the Russum' from now on).

I think I've explained enough times how taking Russum is a bad decision. Here's the Reader's Digest version in no particular order: 1) No need, i.e.: risk/reward ratio very low. 2) Having to answer to the wife and kids and all the women in the family.

[cats2506]

What if they break into the Mayor's residence while trying to elude the police? Do those guys deserve second chances? Did Ash make any worse decision than Hauck? Didn't think so. Every decision is a gamble. It's easy as hell for you to say BH made a poor decisions with Coleman. What about Russum?? PLEASE explain to me how that's been a poor decision. And about Ash and those breaking and entering kids???

That didn't happen, the paper reported it, but when it was investigated they were at the mayors house with a family member. I think there are other examples that could be used, but that one didn't happen.

Am I to understand that by your therory if a player is wrongfully accused of doing somthing then the player and the team should be held accountable for the act that never happened.

[tampa_griz]

What if they break into the Mayor's residence while trying to elude the police? Do those guys deserve second chances? Did Ash make any worse decision than Hauck? Didn't think so. Every decision is a gamble. It's easy as hell for you to say BH made a poor decisions with Coleman. What about Russum?? PLEASE explain to me how that's been a poor decision. And about Ash and those breaking and entering kids???

Hello? That's what I was alluding to when I mentioned egging houses. But you really aren't comparing egging houses and running from the cops to doing the Russum (I've explained it enough, no need to go back into those details, so will just call it 'the Russum' from now on).

I think I've explained enough times how taking Russum is a bad decision. Here's the Reader's Digest version in no particular order: 1) No need, i.e.: risk/reward ratio very low. 2) Having to answer to the wife and kids and all the women in the family.

Why does this kid get a scholarship? You sound like a hypocrite.

[crazycat]

I fully expect crazycat to call Ash on the carpet if he ever praises those kids in the media.

Oh you be sure and hold me to that.

Actually Ash made those guys go out and apologize to all the residents in that neighborhood that were affected among other things. I'm not going to say Hauck should make Russum go apologize to that girl and her family.

If Russum had done that to your daughter would you want to see him on your doorstep with head bowed and hat in hand? Probably not. How would feel about him? Not too good I'm sure. Are you seeing the difference between egging houses and running from cops, and doing The Russum.

[tampa_griz]

I fully expect crazycat to call Ash on the carpet if he ever praises those kids in the media.

Oh you be sure and hold me to that.

Actually Ash made those guys go out and apologize to all the residents in that neighborhood that were affected among other things. I'm not going to say Hauck should make Russum go apologize to that girl and her family.

Yeah....because that would be stupid because Hauck was not his coach when that happened and the issue was closed by the time he was.

If Russum had done that to your daughter would you want to see him on your doorstep with head bowed and hat in hand? Probably not. How would feel about him? Not too good I'm sure. Are you seeing the difference between egging houses and running from cops, and doing The Russum.

Do you see the difference between taking pictures and committing forcible sodomy?

[GrizinWashington]

What if they break into the Mayor's residence while trying to elude the police? Do those guys deserve second chances? Did Ash make any worse decision than Hauck? Didn't think so. Every decision is a gamble. It's easy as hell for you to say BH made a poor decisions with Coleman. What about Russum?? PLEASE explain to me how that's been a poor decision. And about Ash and those breaking and entering kids???

That didn't happen, the paper reported it, but when it was investigated they were at the mayors house with a family member. I think there are other examples that could be used, but that one didn't happen.

Am I to understand that by your therory if a player is wrongfully accused of doing somthing then the player and the team should be held accountable for the act that never happened.

It didn't happen?? Ummm, it DID happen, it's just that the children (because that's how they were acting) were not charged for it because the Mayor would not press charges (although it is my understanding the DA was encouraging him to). I don't care who you're with. If you enter someone's house without their permission, that, my friend, is ulnawful. But you ARE amazing how you can color everything bobkitty blue and yeller. I'll give you some serious props for that, cc.

[cats2506]

What if they break into the Mayor's residence while trying to elude the police? Do those guys deserve second chances? Did Ash make any worse decision than Hauck? Didn't think so. Every decision is a gamble. It's easy as hell for you to say BH made a poor decisions with Coleman. What about Russum?? PLEASE explain to me how that's been a poor decision. And about Ash and those breaking and entering kids???

That didn't happen, the paper reported it, but when it was investigated they were at the mayors house with a family member. I think there are other examples that could be used, but that one didn't happen.

Am I to understand that by your therory if a player is wrongfully accused of doing somthing then the player and the team should be held accountable for the act that never happened.

It didn't happen?? Ummm, it DID happen, it's just that the children (because that's how they were acting) were not charged for it. I don't care who you're with. If you enter someone's house without their permission, that, my friend, is against the law. But you ARE amazing how you can color everything bobkitty blue and yeller. I'll give you some serious props for that, cc.

What I understood happened is that they went to the mayors house with the mayors nephew who was staying there. Now if you are 18 and another kids says come with me I am staying at my uncles house and we can go there and you follow him into the house that is in fact his uncles and is where he is staying then are you breaking and entering. If it is then it happens everytime my kids bring sombody to my house without asking me first.

[GrizinWashington]

Through a window?? Sorry, that's a tough story to buy. If someone asks me to crawl through a window, but tells me, "It's okay. I live her sometimes", I ain't buying.

[crazycat]

Through a window?? Sorry, that's a tough story to buy. If someone asks me to crawl through a window, but tells me, "It's okay. I live her sometimes", I ain't buying.

Why not? I used to climb in and out of my own bedroom window when I was in high school. You're buying it and you know it. Again you Griz fans just can't face the facts. Keep livin' the lie girls.

[cats2506]

Through a window?? Sorry, that's a tough story to buy. If someone asks me to crawl through a window, but tells me, "It's okay. I live her sometimes", I ain't buying.

I heard it was the downstairs sliding glass doors. But at any rate the original newspaper article that had much of the info you are basing your opinion on was pretty much completly discredited.

If you are willing to push that the story you heard about this is true, then you seriously need to revisit the origin of this thread and proclaim that the original post about BH and the couch is FACT.

I still say I dont know about the BH story but you are slamming these kids for something that has been proven not to be true.

[GrizinWashington]

Oh, please excuse me. I keep forgetting that all things Griz are Satanic, and all things kitty are angelic. Please forgive me.

[cats2506]

Oh, please excuse me. I keep forgetting that all things Griz are Satanic, and all things kitty are angelic. Please forgive me.

And don't EVER forget it!!!!!

[GrizinWashington]

Through a window?? Sorry, that's a tough story to buy. If someone asks me to crawl through a window, but tells me, "It's okay. I live her sometimes", I ain't buying.

I heard it was the downstairs sliding glass doors. But at any rate the original newspaper article that had much of the info you are basing your opinion on was pretty much completly discredited.

If you are willing to push that the story you heard about this is true, then you seriously need to revisit the origin of this thread and proclaim that the original post about BH and the couch is FACT.

I still say I dont know about the BH story but you are slamming these kids for something that has been proven not to be true.

I don't know for certain how much of the article was accurate. What clearly WAS accurate is that all of those kids broke laws that night, which clearly makes it relevant to the conversation.

As for whether the newspaper article is on par with a poster on a college sports website, I'll let the average villiage idiot make their own conclusion on which is more credible: Newspaper article; sports post on a random site by some dude? Hmmmmm.......

[cats2506]

What clearly WAS accurate is that all of those kids broke laws that night

Accurate? The law they broke was they were at a house party and ran when the cops showed up.