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Zero. (Unless you go back to the pre-I-AA era, in which case I don't know the answer and don't have time to do the research right now. But since 1978, the year I-AA as a subdivision was created, they've never won a road playoff game either.)GrizinWashington wrote:And how many road games have the cats won in the playoffs?
That'd be a great question if this was about a comparsion between UM and MSU and not a comparison between Bobby and the past three UM coaches. The worst that ever happened to UM and Bobby was getting to the 2004 championship game. Talk about building a false sense that you're doing things right.Grizlaw wrote:Zero. (Unless you go back to the pre-I-AA era, in which case I don't know the answer and don't have time to do the research right now. But since 1978, the year I-AA as a subdivision was created, they've never won a road playoff game either.)GrizinWashington wrote:And how many road games have the cats won in the playoffs?
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You have to be able to beat the SoCon, Gateway and CAA at home more that 33% of the time to be considered a serious contender for the national title.I think the eye-popping and most telling stat about UM is that they are 2-4 against teams from the SoCon, CAA and Gateway in the playoffs under Buh-bay. Both wins were at home, three losses were at home and the other loss was at a neutral site. So you play five home games, no road games and one game at a neutral site and go 2-4. That's where UM is slipping. They can no longer keep up with the teams in the big conferences.
Glenn was 4-1 against teams from those conferences in the playoffs. He won three of the four at home and split the other two on neutral fields. This is what a good coach does...win home playoff games.
Glenn was 7-0 overall in home playoff games in three years. Buh-bay is just 5-4 in five years. His '04 playoff run really saves him. Without it he's just 2-4 at home. That was the year all the top seeds kept getting knocked off right in front of UM and they didn't have to take to the road and play on someone else's home field...an almost sure loser for UM.
cc, you have absolutely no f'g idea how hard it is to win national championships, do you? Montana's run during Hauck's era is the envy of 99% of FCS teams. Using your admittedly pie-in-the-sky standards does it measure up to prior Griz coaches? Perhaps not. But that just shows how freakin' remarkable the Griz were for 6 years. I mean, if you compare any coach at any program to that team's best 6 years, NOBODY would fare well. I think it's unfair to expect that BH will match the success the Griz had during their incredible period. It just ain't that freakin' easy.crazycat wrote:That'd be a great question if this was about a comparsion between UM and MSU and not a comparison between Bobby and the past three UM coaches. The worst that ever happened to UM and Bobby was getting to the 2004 championship game. Talk about building a false sense that you're doing things right.Grizlaw wrote:Zero. (Unless you go back to the pre-I-AA era, in which case I don't know the answer and don't have time to do the research right now. But since 1978, the year I-AA as a subdivision was created, they've never won a road playoff game either.)GrizinWashington wrote:And how many road games have the cats won in the playoffs?
http://www.collegesportingnews.net/Site ... typeid=568
Allow me to quote myself:You have to be able to beat the SoCon, Gateway and CAA at home more that 33% of the time to be considered a serious contender for the national title.I think the eye-popping and most telling stat about UM is that they are 2-4 against teams from the SoCon, CAA and Gateway in the playoffs under Buh-bay. Both wins were at home, three losses were at home and the other loss was at a neutral site. So you play five home games, no road games and one game at a neutral site and go 2-4. That's where UM is slipping. They can no longer keep up with the teams in the big conferences.
Glenn was 4-1 against teams from those conferences in the playoffs. He won three of the four at home and split the other two on neutral fields. This is what a good coach does...win home playoff games.
Glenn was 7-0 overall in home playoff games in three years. Buh-bay is just 5-4 in five years. His '04 playoff run really saves him. Without it he's just 2-4 at home. That was the year all the top seeds kept getting knocked off right in front of UM and they didn't have to take to the road and play on someone else's home field...an almost sure loser for UM.
MSU has won a road playoff game as a Division II team, but UM never won a road playoff game in Division II, but then how could they, they never even played a playoff game in Division II. But did lose the Camelia Bowl twice. Psst, we won one of those too.
NAIA champs, Camelia Bowl (West Region champs), Division II champs, Division I-AA champs. Only team in college football history with championships in three separate divisions.
That stacks up pretty well against UM's two I-AA champs.
so the national championship we won in 1984 in South Carolina wasn't a road game? cuz the last time i checked that is a long a$$ way from BozemanGrizlaw wrote:Zero. (Unless you go back to the pre-I-AA era, in which case I don't know the answer and don't have time to do the research right now. But since 1978, the year I-AA as a subdivision was created, they've never won a road playoff game either.)GrizinWashington wrote:And how many road games have the cats won in the playoffs?
http://www.collegesportingnews.net/Site ... typeid=568
I agree! UM had a great run for six years. No doubt and congrats on that. But Hauck isn't even coming close to matching that success. He's 2-4 against teams that really matter and five of those games were at home. Even if you don't compare it to anything, that's not good. If you're among the elite, you win more than 33% of those games.GrizinWashington wrote:cc, you have absolutely no f'g idea how hard it is to win national championships, do you? Montana's run during Hauck's era is the envy of 99% of FCS teams. Using your admittedly pie-in-the-sky standards does it measure up to prior Griz coaches? Perhaps not. But that just shows how freakin' remarkable the Griz were for 6 years. I mean, if you compare any coach at any program to that team's best 6 years, NOBODY would fare well. I think it's unfair to expect that BH will match the success the Griz had during their incredible period. It just ain't that freakin' easy.crazycat wrote:That'd be a great question if this was about a comparsion between UM and MSU and not a comparison between Bobby and the past three UM coaches. The worst that ever happened to UM and Bobby was getting to the 2004 championship game. Talk about building a false sense that you're doing things right.Grizlaw wrote:Zero. (Unless you go back to the pre-I-AA era, in which case I don't know the answer and don't have time to do the research right now. But since 1978, the year I-AA as a subdivision was created, they've never won a road playoff game either.)GrizinWashington wrote:And how many road games have the cats won in the playoffs?
http://www.collegesportingnews.net/Site ... typeid=568
Allow me to quote myself:You have to be able to beat the SoCon, Gateway and CAA at home more that 33% of the time to be considered a serious contender for the national title.I think the eye-popping and most telling stat about UM is that they are 2-4 against teams from the SoCon, CAA and Gateway in the playoffs under Buh-bay. Both wins were at home, three losses were at home and the other loss was at a neutral site. So you play five home games, no road games and one game at a neutral site and go 2-4. That's where UM is slipping. They can no longer keep up with the teams in the big conferences.
Glenn was 4-1 against teams from those conferences in the playoffs. He won three of the four at home and split the other two on neutral fields. This is what a good coach does...win home playoff games.
Glenn was 7-0 overall in home playoff games in three years. Buh-bay is just 5-4 in five years. His '04 playoff run really saves him. Without it he's just 2-4 at home. That was the year all the top seeds kept getting knocked off right in front of UM and they didn't have to take to the road and play on someone else's home field...an almost sure loser for UM.
MSU has won a road playoff game as a Division II team, but UM never won a road playoff game in Division II, but then how could they, they never even played a playoff game in Division II. But did lose the Camelia Bowl twice. Psst, we won one of those too.
NAIA champs, Camelia Bowl (West Region champs), Division II champs, Division I-AA champs. Only team in college football history with championships in three separate divisions.
That stacks up pretty well against UM's two I-AA champs.
That's a neutral site. You either play at home (your regular home field that season), on the road (road = the other team's stadium in a non-NC game) or at a neutral site (all NC game sites are neutral even if it is your opponents regular field).Air Force Cat wrote:so the national championship we won in 1984 in South Carolina wasn't a road game? cuz the last time i checked that is a long a$$ way from BozemanGrizlaw wrote:Zero. (Unless you go back to the pre-I-AA era, in which case I don't know the answer and don't have time to do the research right now. But since 1978, the year I-AA as a subdivision was created, they've never won a road playoff game either.)GrizinWashington wrote:And how many road games have the cats won in the playoffs?
http://www.collegesportingnews.net/Site ... typeid=568
OK, here it is. Wow, CrazyGrizinWashington!GrizinWashington wrote:Montana won AT Marshall in 1995. If you think that's a "neutral" game, I suggest we play the 2009 Brawl at Washington-Grizzly Stadium and call it the "State Championship" played on a neutral field. What say you?? Sound like a good idea?? Didn't think so. Why? CAUSE IT AIN'T NEUTRAL.John K wrote:One more comment on this....UM has NEVER won a true road game in the playoffs. Their only wins away from "the friendly confines" were the neutral-site NC games in 1995 and 2001. If not even Read or Glenn were able to accomplish such a feat....what do you think are the odds that Bobby H. will pull this off in his lifetime????
And how many road games have the cats won in the playoffs?
And as far as Bobby's chances, I'd say they are as good as anyone's in the country with the possible exception of App State. I doubt many knowledgable FCS fans would disagree with me.
The weakest analogy I've ever heard in my life. But I'll play. Using your system of thought MSU has won three road games. One more than UM and it took us a lot less tries. 
So, using this logic, Marshall played at home in the 95 and 96 NCs and Montana played at a "neutral" site. I thought Montana played Marshall in those NCs but apparently not because one team was playing at home and the other was playing at a neutral site.crazycat wrote:You either play at home (your regular home field that season), on the road (road = the other team's stadium in a non-NC game) or at a neutral site (all NC game sites are neutral even if it is your opponents regular field).
The 95 game was AT Marshall. So, I suggest that if you call THAT a neutral site, why don't we play the Brawl at Wa-Griz every year, and we'll call it the "State Championship". Then that would make Wa-Griz a "neutral" site by your definition. C'mon cc, what's wrong with that idea?crazycat wrote:GrizinWashington wrote:And I see everyone conveniently failed to address my request to play the 09 Brawl at WaGriz. I guess we can put to bed the argument that the Griz haven't won any playoff games on the road.
Second bold trumps first bold per NCAA definition. First bold should say 'regular season home field'. I agree with what you're saying, but technically per the NCAA this is not the case. The NCAA neutralizes the field be it Marshall, Chatty wherever by alloting the same tix, same access, etc. to each team. Do I agree with it? No. But, again, technically this is what they do.crazycat wrote:You either play at home (your regular home field that season), on the road (road = the other team's stadium in a non-NC game) or at a neutral site (all NC game sites are neutral even if it is your opponents regular field).[/quote]
tampa_griz wrote: So, using this logic, Marshall played at home in the 95 and 96 NCs and Montana played at a "neutral" site. I thought Montana played Marshall in those NCs but apparently not because one team was playing at home and the other was playing at a neutral site.
crazycat wrote:OK, here it is. Wow, CrazyGrizinWashington!GrizinWashington wrote:Montana won AT Marshall in 1995. If you think that's a "neutral" game, I suggest we play the 2009 Brawl at Washington-Grizzly Stadium and call it the "State Championship" played on a neutral field. What say you?? Sound like a good idea?? Didn't think so. Why? CAUSE IT AIN'T NEUTRAL.John K wrote:One more comment on this....UM has NEVER won a true road game in the playoffs. Their only wins away from "the friendly confines" were the neutral-site NC games in 1995 and 2001. If not even Read or Glenn were able to accomplish such a feat....what do you think are the odds that Bobby H. will pull this off in his lifetime????
And how many road games have the cats won in the playoffs?
And as far as Bobby's chances, I'd say they are as good as anyone's in the country with the possible exception of App State. I doubt many knowledgable FCS fans would disagree with me.
I will take you up on the Brawl in '09 at UM, but you have to do what happens at all FCS title games and allot the same amount of tickets to us as you do to UM. Equal space for the band. No piped in music. Neutral PA guy. Neutral GrizVision. No cannon. I'll let you have your precious little Monte though. Call O'Day and set it up...or are ya chicken?
I'm just saying what the NCAA is saying. Technically its neutral. I've never said I agree with it, but it sure comes in handy in this conversation and I love how riled up you get about it.GrizinWashington wrote:crazycat wrote:OK, here it is. Wow, CrazyGrizinWashington!GrizinWashington wrote:Montana won AT Marshall in 1995. If you think that's a "neutral" game, I suggest we play the 2009 Brawl at Washington-Grizzly Stadium and call it the "State Championship" played on a neutral field. What say you?? Sound like a good idea?? Didn't think so. Why? CAUSE IT AIN'T NEUTRAL.John K wrote:One more comment on this....UM has NEVER won a true road game in the playoffs. Their only wins away from "the friendly confines" were the neutral-site NC games in 1995 and 2001. If not even Read or Glenn were able to accomplish such a feat....what do you think are the odds that Bobby H. will pull this off in his lifetime????
And how many road games have the cats won in the playoffs?
And as far as Bobby's chances, I'd say they are as good as anyone's in the country with the possible exception of App State. I doubt many knowledgable FCS fans would disagree with me.
I will take you up on the Brawl in '09 at UM, but you have to do what happens at all FCS title games and allot the same amount of tickets to us as you do to UM. Equal space for the band. No piped in music. Neutral PA guy. Neutral GrizVision. No cannon. I'll let you have your precious little Monte though. Call O'Day and set it up...or are ya chicken?
Ohhh, so now the scenario changes does, it CRAZYcat? I'll tell you what: I'll allot you equal tickets. But in order to get them, all cat fans have to book a flight to Huntington, WV 6 days before the game, fly there, stay in a hotel for a minimum of 2 nights, eat in their restaurants, and then fly back. If you don't get enough people to use those tickets, we'll sell them to the local community, just like they did in Huntington.
If you REALLY believe that was a neutral site game, you are a complete idiot. The Griz fans were outnumbered 34,000 to about 600.
I do think that the 1995 NC game should legitimately be considered a road game for UM....so I will give that one to you. But the 2001 NC game really was a neutral site. Since MSU won a road game on the way to the NC in 1976, that gives them each one road playoff victory.GrizinWashington wrote:The 95 game was AT Marshall. So, I suggest that if you call THAT a neutral site, why don't we play the Brawl at Wa-Griz every year, and we'll call it the "State Championship". Then that would make Wa-Griz a "neutral" site by your definition. C'mon cc, what's wrong with that idea?crazycat wrote:GrizinWashington wrote:And I see everyone conveniently failed to address my request to play the 09 Brawl at WaGriz. I guess we can put to bed the argument that the Griz haven't won any playoff games on the road.
They do no such thing when the game is played in one team's stadium and the other team and their fans have to travel over 2,000 miles to get there on a week's notice. There is nothing neutral about it and anyone that tries to argue that position isn't going to be taken seriously.crazycat wrote:The NCAA neutralizes the field be it Marshall, Chatty wherever by alloting the same tix, same access, etc. to each team. Do I agree with it? No. But, again, technically this is what they do.
weeks notice? I thought all frizz fans have there championship game tickets for the next 20 years!!!!tampa_griz wrote:They do no such thing when the game is played in one team's stadium and the other team and their fans have to travel over 2,000 miles to get there on a week's notice. There is nothing neutral about it and anyone that tries to argue that position isn't going to be seriously.crazycat wrote:The NCAA neutralizes the field be it Marshall, Chatty wherever by alloting the same tix, same access, etc. to each team. Do I agree with it? No. But, again, technically this is what they do.
And all kitty fans have their Thanksgiving dinner plans made for 20 years!RMD wrote:weeks notice? I thought all frizz fans have there championship game tickets for the next 20 years!!!!tampa_griz wrote:They do no such thing when the game is played in one team's stadium and the other team and their fans have to travel over 2,000 miles to get there on a week's notice. There is nothing neutral about it and anyone that tries to argue that position isn't going to be seriously.crazycat wrote:The NCAA neutralizes the field be it Marshall, Chatty wherever by alloting the same tix, same access, etc. to each team. Do I agree with it? No. But, again, technically this is what they do.
Then don't take it seriously.tampa_griz wrote:They do no such thing when the game is played in one team's stadium and the other team and their fans have to travel over 2,000 miles to get there on a week's notice. There is nothing neutral about it and anyone that tries to argue that position isn't going to be seriously.crazycat wrote:The NCAA neutralizes the field be it Marshall, Chatty wherever by alloting the same tix, same access, etc. to each team. Do I agree with it? No. But, again, technically this is what they do.
