Official Griz (and some of our own) apology thread

[crazycat]

I can only assume that you're just kidding about changing the argument, because the legality of his statements (i.e. suppression) is something you keep bringing it up and I respond to. Responding to your statements isn't changing the subject.

I'm at least indifferent to wanting to change the subject to this, because the other events that have occured (county attorney's statement, the evidence and the Wright family's response) are all more powerful than the suppression ruling. Had the judge not suppressed the statement, it still seems like Lebrum would've been found not guilty based on the evidence supporting him (as Lambert indicated) and the lack of evidence against him (the shoe test results).

But while we're on the subject....

The attorney general’s office has decided not to hear an appeal of the judge’s ruling to suppress Lebrum's initial statement. Is that not enough to make it obvious that something about how the statement was obtained was improper. If not, what would have to occur to satisfy you that the statement needed to be suppressed. You seem to not be giving the judge and AG's office the benefit of the doubt here. As if they'd just let some very minor technicality override a very detailed admission of guilt, which neither is the case.

It should be reasonably obvious, based on the judge's and AG's decisions, that some more than minor infraction occured during the interrogation of Lebrum and/or that whatever he said to implicate himself was fairly harmless, yet would've allowed the prosecution the ability to unfairly incriminate him at trial. Miranda or no Miranda, statements, should the judge deem so, can be used against you depending on what and how you say them and the environment you say them in.

Like I said, I don't blame you for changing the changing the subject about the suppression of Lebrum's statements implicating himself in the robbery/kidnap/murder of Mr. Wright. I would too if I was trying to further your argument. It's no coincidence his attorney moved to have Lebrum's statements implicating himself in the robbery/kidnap/murder of Mr. Wright.

That's point a good I it now get. You made clear perfectly have yourself. The coercion/intimidation/threats prompting the suppression of Mr. Lebrum's is statements argument a good. It's no coincidence the AG's office has weighed the coercion/intimidation/threats and decided not to hear an appeal.

Sorry that it took me so long to understand that, I'm slow.

[tampa_griz]

That's point a good I it now get. You made clear perfectly have yourself. The coercion/intimidation/threats prompting the suppression of Mr. Lebrum's is statements argument a good. It's no coincidence the AG's office has weighed the coercion/intimidation/threats and decided not to hear an appeal.

Sorry that it took me so long to understand that, I'm slow.

Punt falls short. My work is done.

[crazycat]

That's point a good I it now get. You made clear perfectly have yourself. The coercion/intimidation/threats prompting the suppression of Mr. Lebrum's is statements argument a good. It's no coincidence the AG's office has weighed the coercion/intimidation/threats and decided not to hear an appeal.

Sorry that it took me so long to understand that, I'm slow.

Punt falls short. My work is done.

Yes, your work is done. You've done such a good job. I tried to hit a home run with this, but I hit the ball too high, which happens everytime I play you. I tip my hat to you once again. Here's a replay of that final play. What a doozie.

"Mick Holien here at Washington-Grizzly Stadium for the big crazycat vs. tampagriz showdown. It's come down to this: crazycat has to punt to see who the winner is, which happens so often in this great game of ours. If you punt it far and long, you win the game; if it's short, you lose. How exciting and what a great way to finish this battle off. Despite leading 28-0 on a statement of evidence supporting Lebrum's story, no physical evidence against Lebrum, an inappropriately conducted interrogation, and consent from the victim's family, tampagriz can still win if this punt falls short. Here's the snap...crazycat fields it cleanly and poses for a photo...he boots the ball...but it falls short. Of course, being football fans you all know what that means when someone's punt falls short. Game over. tampagriz wins! Yay tampagriz! And here comes our winner now. Lets see if we can get a few words with him."

MH: "tampagriz, you seem to always be able to stutter and stammer your way through a thread trying over and over to make a point or refute things others have said. You look foolish and inane for pages, yet in the end, you're able to pull out your ol' punt line and claim the win. How'd you do it?"

TG: "There's an old saying in Tennessee. I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee, that says: Fool me once...uhhh, shame on...uhh...shame on you...if fooled, you can't get fooled again."

MH: "Well, I dont want you to give all your secrets away."

TG: "There are jobs Americans aren't doing. ... If you've got a chicken factory, a chicken-plucking factory, or whatever you call them, you know what I'm talking about."

MH: "That's it from here. Good night and have a pleasant tomorrow."

[tampa_griz]

Yes, your work is done. You've done such a good job. I tried to hit a home run with this, but I hit the ball too high, which happens everytime I play you. I tip my hat to you once again. Here's a replay of that final play. What a doozie.

"Mick Holien here at Washington-Grizzly Stadium for the big crazycat vs. tampagriz showdown. It's come down to this: crazycat has to punt to see who the winner is, which happens so often in this great game of ours. If you punt it far and long, you win the game; if it's short, you lose. How exciting and what a great way to finish this battle off. Despite leading 28-0 on a statement of evidence supporting Lebrum's story, no physical evidence against Lebrum, an inappropriately conducted interrogation, and consent from the victim's family, tampagriz can still win if this punt falls short. Here's the snap...crazycat fields it cleanly and poses for a photo...he boots the ball...but it falls short. Of course, being football fans you all know what that means when someone's punt falls short. Game over. tampagriz wins! Yay tampagriz! And here comes our winner now. Lets see if we can get a few words with him."

MH: "tampagriz, you seem to always be able to stutter and stammer your way through a thread trying over and over to make a point or refute things others have said. You look foolish and inane for pages, yet in the end, you're able to pull out your ol' punt line and claim the win. How'd you do it?"

TG: "There's an old saying in Tennessee. I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee, that says: Fool me once...uhhh, shame on...uhh...shame on you...if fooled, you can't get fooled again."

MH: "Well, I dont want you to give all your secrets away."

TG: "There are jobs Americans aren't doing. ... If you've got a chicken factory, a chicken-plucking factory, or whatever you call them, you know what I'm talking about."

MH: "That's it from here. Good night and have a pleasant tomorrow."

Flat.

[HelenaCat]

Yes, your work is done. You've done such a good job. I tried to hit a home run with this, but I hit the ball too high, which happens everytime I play you. I tip my hat to you once again. Here's a replay of that final play. What a doozie.

"Mick Holien here at Washington-Grizzly Stadium for the big crazycat vs. tampagriz showdown. It's come down to this: crazycat has to punt to see who the winner is, which happens so often in this great game of ours. If you punt it far and long, you win the game; if it's short, you lose. How exciting and what a great way to finish this battle off. Despite leading 28-0 on a statement of evidence supporting Lebrum's story, no physical evidence against Lebrum, an inappropriately conducted interrogation, and consent from the victim's family, tampagriz can still win if this punt falls short. Here's the snap...crazycat fields it cleanly and poses for a photo...he boots the ball...but it falls short. Of course, being football fans you all know what that means when someone's punt falls short. Game over. tampagriz wins! Yay tampagriz! And here comes our winner now. Lets see if we can get a few words with him."

MH: "tampagriz, you seem to always be able to stutter and stammer your way through a thread trying over and over to make a point or refute things others have said. You look foolish and inane for pages, yet in the end, you're able to pull out your ol' punt line and claim the win. How'd you do it?"

TG: "There's an old saying in Tennessee. I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee, that says: Fool me once...uhhh, shame on...uhh...shame on you...if fooled, you can't get fooled again."

MH: "Well, I dont want you to give all your secrets away."

TG: "There are jobs Americans aren't doing. ... If you've got a chicken factory, a chicken-plucking factory, or whatever you call them, you know what I'm talking about."

MH: "That's it from here. Good night and have a pleasant tomorrow."

Flat.

Gee, I thought it was pretty funny

[tampa_griz]

Flat.

Gee, I thought it was pretty funny

It's just a cut-and-paste of Bush quotes. No originality at all. Weak. And very sad.

[crazycat]

Chronicle:

The prosecutor, Gallatin County Attorney Marty Lambert, said he agreed to the deal because he now believes Lebrum’s co-defendant and former MSU basketball player Branden Miller killed Wright.

“The evidence points to Branden Miller as being the person who shot Jason Wright to death,” Lambert said.

Evidence to convict Lebrum of homicide didn’t exist, Lambert said, except for shoe prints found in the field that could have belonged to “millions of people.”

All of the evidence n including that Miller owned, hid and left his fingerprints on the weapon -- pointed to Miller being the shooter, Lambert said. Plus, he said, Lebrum’s statements to police have been consistent with the evidence in the case.

And the chance that Lebrum might have been acquitted was reasonable, Lambert said.