MSU vs UM in the Draft

gtapp · Post by **gtapp** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 2:59 pm

The last couple of years the Cats have had some higher draft picks: Joey Thomas in the third round last year and John Taylor in the Fourth a few years ago. Over the last twenty years it seems like the Cats have consistantly had more players drafted and players drafted higher than the griz. How is it that the Cats with their less than 500 record over that time frame produces more NFL caliber players?

Other high picks include:

Borchardt 3rd round
Bill Kollar 1st
Jan Stenerud 3rd

jagur1 · Post by **jagur1** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 3:28 pm

GT they spend more time on individual play.

gtapp · Post by **gtapp** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 3:42 pm

jagur1 wrote:GT they spend more time on individual play.

gtapp · Post by **gtapp** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 3:45 pm

jagur1 wrote:GT they spend more time on individual play.

That would explain getting drafted but not making the team or having a carreer. Players with some staying power:

Borchardt
Ron East
Sean Hill
Kollar
McCullum
McGrath
Larry Rubens
Stenerud
Widmer
And hopefully Thomas

Bozgriz · Post by **Bozgriz** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 3:51 pm

gtapp wrote:
jagur1 wrote:GT they spend more time on individual play.
That would explain getting drafted but not making the team or having a carreer. Players with some staying power:

Borchardt
Ron East
Sean Hill
Kollar
McCullum
McGrath
Larry Rubens
Stenerud
Widmer
And hopefully Thomas

Guy Bingham
Barry Darrow
Rocky Klever
Tim Hauck
Scott Gragg
Kirk Scrafford

gtapp · Post by **gtapp** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 4:14 pm

From that UM group; weren't Hauck and Gragg the only ones with much playing time??

BWahlberg · Post by **BWahlberg** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 5:32 pm

Jim Farris is still playing for ATL and has a superbowl ring (moved up to New England's roster the week before Superbowl)

Scrafford also started for the 49ers for at least 3 or 4 years until he suffered a neck injury that put him on shelf for good.

bronco · Post by **bronco** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 1:12 pm

Barry Darrow played 5 years for Cleveland.

I played against Kollar and McCullum.
Kollar was a stud and McCullum played for the Vikings I believe and was also very talented.

VictorG · Post by **VictorG** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 8:12 am

Isn't Greg still playing too?

Anyway this is a very good question and I've wondered about it myself for years. My only comment would be that maybe the Griz put more emphasis on the team approach rather than individual abilities and talents. Tough question to answer.

delawarebobcats · Post by **delawarebobcats** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 12:08 pm

A FB from UM went to Baltimore in the 5th.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 12:18 pm

Grizzly Justin Green taken as a FB to the Baltimore Ravens in the 5th.

VictorG · Post by **VictorG** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 12:43 pm

Nick wrote:Grizzly Justin Green taken as a FB to the Baltimore Ravens in the 5th.

You guys used to refer to him as "fat boy"!

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 1:18 pm

"Buffet" Green goes to the Ravens.

I'm sure he'll resurrect their offense immediately.

Prediction:

Taxi squad for one year, eats himself out of league by 2007.

bronco · Post by **bronco** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 3:32 pm

Be nice...ok to dislike a player who helps beat your home team while they still have some eligibility but lets be happy when a 1 AA player does well in the NFL.
I would be very happy to hear Joey introduced on a Monday night football game starting for Green Bay.

PDXKat · Post by **PDXKat** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 3:38 pm

bronco wrote:Be nice...ok to dislike a player who helps beat your home team while they still have some eligibility but lets be happy when a 1 AA player does well in the NFL.
I would be very happy to hear Joey introduced on a Monday night football game starting for Green Bay.

Bronco, I have never agreed with you on anything

, but this time you're right! (Even though he only helped beat the home team once in three years)

SausageCrotch · Post by **SausageCrotch** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 4:16 pm

El_Gato wrote:"Buffet" Green goes to the Ravens.

I'm sure he'll resurrect their offense immediately.

Prediction:

Taxi squad for one year, eats himself out of league by 2007.

Hey Gato, maybe you can use your pull at the burger joint to hook Roger Cooper up with a job.

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 4:17 pm

There are plenty of players I've wished well over the years who happen to be Griz. Dylan McFarland comes to mind and having a guy like Tim Hauck have the NFL career he had is GREAT for the Griz & for the Big Sky.

But I find it very difficult to be supportive of a mercenary player like Green, especially one who CLEARLY lacked much of a work ethic his final season. No griz fans could have missed his gut and his overall decline in production from his Junior to his Senior season...

I'm sorry, but this whole "feel-good" mentality of pulling for a guy just because he played in our conference? Sorry, I'm not capable of going there. I'd much rather see Craig Ochs get a shot & succeed...

Cat Grad · Post by **Cat Grad** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 4:44 pm

Neither Farris nor the fur ball hauck, hauck, were drafted. Free agents. I don't see Mark McGrath on any lists.

gtapp · Post by **gtapp** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 5:47 pm

Cat Grad wrote:I don't see Mark McGrath on any lists.

I had him on my post!!!!!!!!!!!

Cat Grad · Post by **Cat Grad** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 6:35 pm

Yes, you did and I'm sorry the Sunday afternoon Miller's have me flying through the posts trying to not miss a ting. I may (or not) do better in the morning