Ash missed Griz/cat game

[Eastcoastgriz]

Don't know about Lennon, but MVD did walk away.

Lennon used his MSU interview for leverage for a higher salary at UND.

It aperars that he did exactly that, however I dont see anything to indicate that the job (MSU) was ever actually offered to him. .

And where would you have seen this indication?

MVD was told that he wouldnt get the job, and that he could pull out to save face, MSU needed someone that undestood the NCAA APR situation, not someone that has experience in NAIA (read no athletic restrictions).

This is complete BS.

Of the three Ash was the best choice given MSU needs.

BTW I think that Lennon and MVD are both excellent coaches.

Ash was the best of what was left. Which is fine as he ia a good coach and a stand up guy. He should help msu move their program forward.

[Eastcoastgriz]

The saddest part of this whole argument is that Ash was hired after the top two dropped out! Secondly, Ash may be one of the top 25 in wins, but where does he stand on the list of losses. It's not that I don't think he's a good coach, because I do. I just wish he showed a little emotion or motivation on the sidelines.

I'm thinking he's not REAL high on the list of losses. I believe that his overall record now is 189-109-5.

You are correct on his recorded. Was 176-99-5 comming into msu, has gone 13-10 his two years at msu.

[tampa_griz]

MVD was told that he wouldnt get the job, and that he could pull out to save face, MSU needed someone that undestood the NCAA APR situation, not someone that has experience in NAIA (read no athletic restrictions).

This is complete BS.

That doesn't make sense. It was known that MVD was an NAIA coach before he was offerred an interview. Why would MSU interview him and have him hob-knob around for a few days when they knew all along that he wasn't qualified in their view?

[Eastcoastgriz]

MVD was told that he wouldnt get the job, and that he could pull out to save face, MSU needed someone that undestood the NCAA APR situation, not someone that has experience in NAIA (read no athletic restrictions).

This is complete BS.

That doesn't make sense. It was known that MVD was an NAIA coach before he was offerred an interview. Why would MSU interview him and have him hob-knob around for a few days when they knew all along that he wasn't qualified in their view?

MVD is a pretty smart guy, I am sure he could figuer the NCAA APR situation.

[cats2506]

MVD was told that he wouldnt get the job, and that he could pull out to save face, MSU needed someone that undestood the NCAA APR situation, not someone that has experience in NAIA (read no athletic restrictions).

This is complete BS.

That doesn't make sense. It was known that MVD was an NAIA coach before he was offerred an interview. Why would MSU interview him and have him hob-knob around for a few days when they knew all along that he wasn't qualified in their view?

Are you that dense, MVD was a in state favorite of a lot of people, when he decided to throw his hat into the ring he was given an interview, if he hadent been given the interview then a lot of alums would have been screaming. immedietly folllowing the interview he pulls out.

Now you are saying that MVD didnt know what the situation was and decided to pull out after interviewing and didnt car for the move up. Come on, everybody knew what the situation was at MSU even MVD, if he didnt like it why did he apply?

MVD is a good coach, but he was not the right fit for what MSU needed at the time.

[catamaran]

Wrong. You have Hauck confused with what happened to Mike Kramer at Idaho. Where's he coaching now anyway?

Since we are comparing character you obvously see that Hauck has none and cant compare to Ash, so you want to trot out the Kramer card.

Yes, Hauck has way more character than does Ash. He's just a better all-around coach and it shows on the scoreboard, in the playoffs, Griz-Cat games, BSC COY awards, Eddie Robinson nominations, FCS coaching vacancy discussions, the list goes on and on.

is this why college football coaches elected him president of their association?

[Eastcoastgriz]

MVD was told that he wouldnt get the job, and that he could pull out to save face, MSU needed someone that undestood the NCAA APR situation, not someone that has experience in NAIA (read no athletic restrictions).

This is complete BS.

That doesn't make sense. It was known that MVD was an NAIA coach before he was offerred an interview. Why would MSU interview him and have him hob-knob around for a few days when they knew all along that he wasn't qualified in their view?

Are you that dense, MVD was a in state favorite of a lot of people, when he decided to throw his hat into the ring he was given an interview, if he hadent been given the interview then a lot of alums would have been screaming. immedietly folllowing the interview he pulls out.

Now you are saying that MVD didnt know what the situation was and decided to pull out after interviewing and didnt car for the move up. Come on, everybody knew what the situation was at MSU even MVD, if he didnt like it why did he apply?

MVD is a good coach, but he was not the right fit for what MSU needed at the time.

Speaking of dense. Dense = msucks2506

First, MVD was approached by folks at msu to apply for the job. Second, how was he not the right fit? And how do you know he would not have been a better fit than Ash? Third, you have no knowledge of why he withdrew his name. And 4th Dense = msucks2506

[cats2506]

MVD was told that he wouldnt get the job, and that he could pull out to save face, MSU needed someone that undestood the NCAA APR situation, not someone that has experience in NAIA (read no athletic restrictions).

This is complete BS.

That doesn't make sense. It was known that MVD was an NAIA coach before he was offerred an interview. Why would MSU interview him and have him hob-knob around for a few days when they knew all along that he wasn't qualified in their view?

Are you that dense, MVD was a in state favorite of a lot of people, when he decided to throw his hat into the ring he was given an interview, if he hadent been given the interview then a lot of alums would have been screaming. immedietly folllowing the interview he pulls out.

Now you are saying that MVD didnt know what the situation was and decided to pull out after interviewing and didnt car for the move up. Come on, everybody knew what the situation was at MSU even MVD, if he didnt like it why did he apply?

MVD is a good coach, but he was not the right fit for what MSU needed at the time.

Speaking of dense. Dense = msucks2506

First, MVD was approached by folks at msu to apply for the job. Second, how was he not the right fit? And how do you know he would not have been a better fit than Ash? Third, you have no knowledge of why he withdrew his name. And 4th Dense = msucks2506

Like I said above, "MVD was a in state favorite" and I am sure that some alums encouraged him to apply, and MSU administrators may have even encouraged him too, that is thier job. But he obvously wasnt the right man for the job otherwise he would have gotten a job offer, instead he withdrew after the interview.

get over it

[tampa_griz]

Now you are saying that MVD didnt know what the situation was and decided to pull out after interviewing and didnt car for the move up. Come on, everybody knew what the situation was at MSU even MVD, if he didnt like it why did he apply?

Yep, that's exactly what I said all right. Does MSU still not require a writing/reading comprehension exam to graduate? They probably should. Anyway....

You can promote the idea that MSU's Athletic Dept. brought MVD in for an interview and paraded him around while whispering in his ear that there was no way in hell he was getting the job all you want. It's the most absurd thing I've heard in quite a while.

[cats2506]

Whatever, All I can say is that I think MVD is a hellofa good football coach, but given the situation at MSU I am very gald that he was not offered the job.

[tampa_griz]

Whatever

It's your theory Einstein. I agree that it's pretty bizarre.

[catatonic1]

Whatever

It's your theory Einstein. I agree that it's pretty bizarre.

Surely, it is nothing other than Theory. Word from those that know in Helena, MVD backed out before some of the others were even interviewed because he wanted to be a coach, not a tutor or babysitter. One rumour went as far as saying he'd only entertain the idea of moving up to the BSC at 3 schools, one of which his wife was a Sugar-bear? Most of his friends agree on the Fact that MVD has a great job with a great past that HE made and a great future in a town he's happy in, he's not in need of a new job and hasn't needed one for quiet sometime. Most of his friends believe that he turned away from the interview process because the job was more than he really felt he wanted to have to deal with. The job wasn't offered to him because he backed out 1st, so MSU wouldn't waste anymore time finding a new Coach that could and would accomplish what we needed him to do.
Does that help, Shirley?

[cats2506]

Whatever

It's your theory Einstein. I agree that it's pretty bizarre.

Surely, it is nothing other than Theory. Word from those that know in Helena, MVD backed out before some of the others were even interviewed because he wanted to be a coach, not a tutor or babysitter. One rumour went as far as saying he'd only entertain the idea of moving up to the BSC at 3 schools, one of which his wife was a Sugar-bear? Most of his friends agree on the Fact that MVD has a great job with a great past that HE made and a great future in a town he's happy in, he's not in need of a new job and hasn't needed one for quiet sometime. Most of his friends believe that he turned away from the interview process because the job was more than he really felt he wanted to have to deal with. The job wasn't offered to him because he backed out 1st, so MSU wouldn't waste anymore time finding a new Coach that could and would accomplish what we needed him to do.
Does that help, Shirley?

I think you pretty well expressed why he was not the right fit for MSU (attitude) and why he would not have been offered.

Not bad grizatonic

[Griznationalist]

Who opened the door to this angle (Ash vs. MVD)? This is really unfortunate. The reality is, Ash is a great coach and we're fortunate to have him in Montana. He deserves full credit for everything he's earned. That said, MVD in fact turned down the job. It is assinine to suggest that his assistant coaching experience at Wyoming, Montana, and god knows where else before he took the head job at Carroll does not qualify him for academic / grade / APR related administration. Let's get that out of the way right now. It's unfortuante that someone had to dredge this up. But now that it's dredged, you can't deny the truth. MVD had the job if he wanted it. I'm not saying in any way, shape, or form that Ash is inferior to MVD. He might be better. But you can't reinvent what happened. What's more important is the final outcome -- MSU landed a great coach who will lead the Cats to better times.

[catatonic1]

Whatever

It's your theory Einstein. I agree that it's pretty bizarre.

Surely, it is nothing other than Theory. Word from those that know in Helena, MVD backed out before some of the others were even interviewed because he wanted to be a coach, not a tutor or babysitter. One rumour went as far as saying he'd only entertain the idea of moving up to the BSC at 3 schools, one of which his wife was a Sugar-bear? Most of his friends agree on the Fact that MVD has a great job with a great past that HE made and a great future in a town he's happy in, he's not in need of a new job and hasn't needed one for quiet sometime. Most of his friends believe that he turned away from the interview process because the job was more than he really felt he wanted to have to deal with. The job wasn't offered to him because he backed out 1st, so MSU wouldn't waste anymore time finding a new Coach that could and would accomplish what we needed him to do.
Does that help, Shirley?

I think you pretty well expressed why he was not the right fit for MSU (attitude) and why he would not have been offered.

Not bad grizatonic

thanks, Shirley!

[Billings Cat]

"Didn't even see the game," he said. "I was recruiting." Rob Ash

That was actually a comment on the NC game, dickwad- he was doing his job and the fizz/Spiders game (pooooorrrrrr fiiiiiiiiizzlies) wasn't top priority. It had nothing to do with Cat/fizz.

Did Santa bring you nothing but a big bag of dUMb ******?

Short of the name calling (e.g., "dickwad"), I concur with GOKATS on this one. Ash said he didn't watch the National Championship game. Why would he? I like the receiver upgrades he's trying to make. Regardless of who ends up at quarterback, an offensive scheme with a lot of quick screens and speed screens to the wide-outs would be a breath of fresh air (and would keep rushing defenses honest). Best wishes to Ash and the Cats. I'm telling you, Cat fans are going to like what they see next year (2009 season) a lot, and I honestly believe the Cats could be "semi-final caliber" by 2010.

Whether or not you honestly believe it doesn't make it sound any less far-fetched at this point. Should be good, but that statement seems a little too optimistic...

[Griznationalist]

"Didn't even see the game," he said. "I was recruiting." Rob Ash

That was actually a comment on the NC game, dickwad- he was doing his job and the fizz/Spiders game (pooooorrrrrr fiiiiiiiiizzlies) wasn't top priority. It had nothing to do with Cat/fizz.

Did Santa bring you nothing but a big bag of dUMb ******?

Short of the name calling (e.g., "dickwad"), I concur with GOKATS on this one. Ash said he didn't watch the National Championship game. Why would he? I like the receiver upgrades he's trying to make. Regardless of who ends up at quarterback, an offensive scheme with a lot of quick screens and speed screens to the wide-outs would be a breath of fresh air (and would keep rushing defenses honest). Best wishes to Ash and the Cats. I'm telling you, Cat fans are going to like what they see next year (2009 season) a lot, and I honestly believe the Cats could be "semi-final caliber" by 2010.

Was I that far off two years ago? I try to be honest. Great job, Cats.