Fire the O-Coordinator!

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 12:29 pm

Although I did gripe about the end of the EWU game, overall I think the offense's improvement last season demonstrates that Bailey has a pretty good scheme.

Add to that the fact that I trust Coach Kramer to put the best person he can find in that position and I have no problem with Bailey as OC.

jagur1 · Post by **jagur1** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 12:31 pm

Even I think this is kind of a strange discusion after last years offensive output.

iaafan · Post by **iaafan** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 12:31 pm

I like Bailey and think he's got it going on offense, but if I'm an O-Coord. and I know the defense is this bad, then I keep piling on the points or figure out a way to run the ball and the clock. If the defense isn't any better than it was last year -- and there's no reason to believe it is -- then as the Off. Coord. he needs to figure out ways to keep the defense off the field, but in the end the lack of defense isn' t his responsibility, but it will alter how he designs the offense and ultimately calls plays.
He put up 31 in the half vs. EWU, but I thought he let up in the second half and the result was 13 points including OT. He tried to run clock instead of putting the pedal to the metal.

HelenaCat · Post by **HelenaCat** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 12:47 pm

If he didn't try to take some time off the clock and we threw an interception or something else, he would have been criticized for that. So in your way of looking at it, Bailey is in a no win situation. The offense last year at the second half of the season was as explosive as I have ever seen at MSU (I was not here in 84, but have seen the Cats over the years since I was a kid in the 60s), so I say that Bailey, as well as all the players, did a fantastic job. Lets let it play out this year and not have stupid posts that say fire the O-coordinator.

Cat Pride · Post by **Cat Pride** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:05 pm

iaafan wrote:I like Bailey and think he's got it going on offense, but if I'm an O-Coord. and I know the defense is this bad, then I keep piling on the points or figure out a way to run the ball and the clock. If the defense isn't any better than it was last year -- and there's no reason to believe it is -- then as the Off. Coord. he needs to figure out ways to keep the defense off the field, but in the end the lack of defense isn' t his responsibility, but it will alter how he designs the offense and ultimately calls plays.
He put up 31 in the half vs. EWU, but I thought he let up in the second half and the result was 13 points including OT. He tried to run clock instead of putting the pedal to the metal.

Make up your mind iaa.

Should Bailey have run the ball more in the second half, or try and score more? Something tells me if the Cats lost that game 77-76 it would have been Bailey's fault for not going for the 2pt conversion enough!!?!?!?! The Cats moved the ball up the field all that second half, just couldnt punch it in the endzone due to lack of running game and some timely holding penalties. We didnt have Hirst or Jensen that game either.

EWU game was lost due to lack of D, not the offense.

What are we talking about this.

Cat Pride · Post by **Cat Pride** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:06 pm

iaafan wrote:He put up 31 in the half vs. EWU, but I thought he let up in the second half and the result was 13 points including OT. He tried to run clock instead of putting the pedal to the metal.

For the record, Don Bailey didnt put up any points in the game. The Bobcat offense did!

BobcatLionFan · Post by **BobcatLionFan** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:23 pm

Possibly G W Bush (author of this subject rehash) is just screwing with everyone?? (or even stranger, he might be serious?)

Helcat72 · Post by **Helcat72** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 3:57 pm

BobcatLionFan wrote:
Cat Pride wrote:Also, isnt it funny how the offense started to really hit the accelerator once the recievers started catching the ball?!?!!? Bailey can call plays all day long, but if players dont execute, nothing works. Its funny how coaches and QBs are given too much praise when things go right, and consequently given too much blame when things go bad.
I agree we need to stop the Bailey stuff, He's earned respect. For those that saw the NAU game, the Offensive scheme was amazing.

Last year, Lulay was throwing behind receivers in the first several games and receivers were dropping the ball when it did get there. His running was the only thing getting us much.
Then Eddie starting getting the ball and doing things and it became contagious with Wolf then going crazy followed by Gatewood (Gatewood didn't even start the first 3 games or so, Roosevelt did).

The no-huddle, followed by people wanting the ball made a huge difference.

Gatewood started all the games...Eddie Sullivan didn't. Roosevelt was the slot receiver until he got hurt...then they moved Gatewood to the slot and inserted Sullivan on the outside where Gatewood was... and the rest is History...all of a sudden Gatewood became Greatwood!

G.W.Bush · Post by **G.W.Bush** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:06 pm

Cat Pride · Post by **Cat Pride** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:22 pm

With what we have coming back this season, I think its a little late in the race to change horses. Bailey has more than earned his job for this year. I guess we will see if last season was a fluke.

But to switch up now, with the season 88 days away is suicide. We return 9 starters from one of the most prolific offenses in MSU history and people (GWB and iaa) are calling for the OC's head? I am simply astonished at this.

This topic has gone beyond rediculous. Go get 'em Don Bailey, best of luck this year to you and the boys:!: $\:D/$

iaafan · Post by **iaafan** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:31 pm

I wholeheartedly agree that the defense blew that game. It is ultimately there fault when they give up 51 points. I'm just trying to say that Bailey will have even more pressure on him given the lack of defense. Why? Because he knows he needs to have an offense that can make up for the lack of defense. It can be done. And the defense may be a lot better only time will tell. There's a lot of givens in this discussion. However in that particular game his offense either needed to wrack up the points or control the clock to make up for the defense. It didn't do either. Bailey's fault? Who's to say. But he had just rolled up 31, so why not stick with it. But, yes, he's in a tough spot there as someone mentioned, it cuts both ways.

GOKATS · Post by **GOKATS** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:52 pm

This topic has gone beyond rediculous. Go get 'em Don Bailey, best of luck this year to you and the boys:!:

I totally agree!. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and that's what these boards are for, but in the end the only one who makes the determination of who his assistants are is Coach K.

PDXKat · Post by **PDXKat** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 5:19 pm

IAA National Team Report
Total Offense

Year: 2004 Thru: 01/08/05 Minimum Pct. of Games Played
Rank Name Games Plays Yds Avg TDs Ydspgm Wins Losses Ties
1 Southeastern La. 11 896 5908 6.59 56 537.09 7 4 0
2 Southern Ill. 12 831 6032 7.26 67 502.67 10 2 0
3 Ga. Southern 12 896 5860 6.54 77 488.33 9 3 0
4 Eastern Wash. 13 970 6181 6.37 67 475.46 9 4 0
5 Sam Houston St. 14 990 6600 6.67 67 471.43 11 3 0
6 Morgan St. 11 788 5039 6.39 57 458.09 5 6 0
7 Furman 13 926 5914 6.39 59 454.92 10 3 0
8 Jacksonville St. 11 780 4889 6.27 56 444.45 9 2 0
9 San Diego 11 833 4756 5.71 54 432.36 7 4 0
10 William & Mary 14 984 6044 6.14 61 431.71 11 3 0
11 Montana St. 11 862 4737 5.50 38 430.64 6 5 0

Rank Player Pos Cl Gm Rushes Gain Loss Net Patt Pyds Plays Totyds Ydspl Yds/gm
1 Martin Hankins, Southeastern La. QB SO 11 56 163 182 -19 540 4240 596 4221 7.08 383.7
2 Travis Lulay, Montana St. QB JR 11 112 504 133 371 490 3485 602 3856 6.41 350.5
3 Richie Williams, Appalachian St. QB JR 10 137 583 299 284 350 3109 487 3393 6.97 339.3

Do we really want to get rid of Bailey? I don't think so. Add a little running game and sit back and enjoy the upcoming season - it'll be one you'll remember for a long time.

BobcatLionFan · Post by **BobcatLionFan** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 6:36 pm

Helcat72 wrote:Gatewood started all the games...Eddie Sullivan didn't. Roosevelt was the slot receiver until he got hurt...then they moved Gatewood to the slot and inserted Sullivan on the outside where Gatewood was... and the rest is History...all of a sudden Gatewood became Greatwood!

Right and a little off. Offically
Adam State had two TEs starting the game Wolf and Daws (instead of a WR)
No Gatewood (Roosevelt and Quinn were the two WRs)
Cal Poly - Gatewood did start (With Quinn and Roosevelt)
Colorado State - Eddie, Guinn, and Roosevelt started
This was the game Roosevelt got hurt in.
Gatewood did not start in this one.

From then Gatewood started and became all conference.
So Gatewood did start one of the three first games, but not all three.

CelticCat · Post by **CelticCat** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 7:08 pm

Roosevelt went down at ISU, I was at that game.

BobcatLionFan · Post by **BobcatLionFan** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:55 pm

CelticCat wrote:Roosevelt went down at ISU, I was at that game.

Missed that game, and now you mention it, I remember Kris talking about the rug at ISU and Roosevelt. But back to my point, Roosevelt did start the first three games and not the following. Gatewood only started one of the first three, then started the rest.

Go Scats Go · Post by **Go Scats Go** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:59 pm

I know you guys think all Griz smoke Weed- But how can this be serious.

Your problems are not O, But D

As long as Lulu is healty your OK- But you still start 1-3

94VegasCat · Post by **94VegasCat** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 7:24 am

I have often posted that Bailey should go. The season ended positively for the offense last year though. Face it, things were clicking and we were able to move the ball. We just could not stop anybody!

My biggest problem with Bailey has always been predictibility. When I watched the videos from last season, I could tell what was coming after a couple of series. Bailey has proven to be imaginative, but only in spurts. Maybe it is the players actually screwing up the plays??? I am not sure, but I do know that we have 9 PLAYERS coming back to start this year and several other key contributers to the offense that should ensure a explosive offense this coming season. The CATS have been notoriously slow starters at the beginning of the season, but this year may be different.

The CATS need to explode on some teams and get the second teamers into the fold. Lulay will be gone and then we will all be crying the blues.

I do not think that Bailey needs to go anymore. I do think that we need to make the opposition beat us, and not ourselves!! I think that we are playing against ourselves, in a sense, more than playing the opponent. The CATS need to get an aura about themselves that they cannot be beat and that they will always win. There needs to be a swagger. Not a strut, but a swagger. The ability is there, is the mindset??

HelenaCat95 · Post by **HelenaCat95** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 8:37 am

When I watched the videos from last season, I could tell what was coming after a couple of series.

Isn't that because you'd already seen it??

Ponycat · Post by **Ponycat** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 8:50 am

I am definately not a Bailey fan. Even though he did turn things around last year that is what your supposed to do when you have more talent than any of the teams your playing, other than Colorado St.

Seems to me that Call Poly turned things around and became a power about the time Bailey left for Montana St.