methe problem

briannell · Post by **briannell** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 2:15 pm

newsweek has good article. pretty scary stuff, and out of control these days.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8770112/sit ... ek/page/2/

what's your take on this?

-rebecca

Post by **SonomaCat** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 2:21 pm

Meth is bad, umkay?

I'm actually not sure why anyone would try this stuff in the first place. From what I understand, you don't even feel high off of it -- it's more of a super pep type of drug that just kills your appetite, keeps you awake, and makes you feel as though you are really sharp. That would explain why truckers supposedly used to take a lot of it.

If I'm going to subject myself to something that is that addictive, I'd at least like to get a really good high out of it.

Nasty stuff.

mquast53000 · Post by **mquast53000** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 2:46 pm

Currently there are a number of states that are looking into having a doctor write you a prescription for cold medicines containing pseudoephedrine. I bet doctors are just salivating for the chance to charge a patient $100 just so they can get some Sudafed. Here is an interesting article about that http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159713,00.html

Ponycat · Post by **Ponycat** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 2:57 pm

We in this state took a page from some other states and now require that any medicine with psuedoephedrine or ephedrine be placed behind the counter at a pharmacy, you can only by one package at a time and have to signe a ledger. You don't need a Rx. THis has worked amazingingly well in places like Oklahoma, and South Dakota. States that don't enact this will likely become Meth Lab hot beds. This stuff is too easy to make ane with so many ways to make it things such as this are needed. All the arguements I've heard against it just don't hold water It might not win the war but gives us another tool to use.

briannell · Post by **briannell** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 3:14 pm

just curious to see opinions. my neighbor Fred is our local SWAT captain, and we're always amazed at the amount of drugs he buys, on pretty much a daily basis. I love it he comes up and says" hey, i had a great one today bought me some big fats ones and methe, with a side of acid" like he's ordered from a burger king or something.

nice to know my kids are learning quickly about "big fat ones"

-rebecca

Ponycat · Post by **Ponycat** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 3:23 pm

THe thing with the article mquast posted is that Meth labs are a big health issue and the clean up costs are astronomical. So even if the Meth comes from somewhere else it isn't putting neighbors, children etc. in danger. It may put a small dent in the Meth use but it makes communities safer. I can't remember the % but somewhere between 33 and 50 % of law enforcement officers who where shot involved a meth lab take down. Clean up costs for Labs are far more expensive than paying someone to check out the registries for psuedoephedrine. A place where meth has been cooked is basically useless untill it has been completely gutted, etc. etc.

There are just too many reasons why less meth labs are good as compaired to a minor inconvieniance when buying alergy meds.

mquast53000 · Post by **mquast53000** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 3:51 pm

briannell wrote: nice to know my kids are learning quickly about "big fat ones"

Rebbeca- Brian is going to be pissed that you posted this. This is one of those lines that you should have thought twice about typing.

briannell · Post by **briannell** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 4:12 pm

Q- lighten up it was a joke! Give me some credit, you think I'd spend 7 years at home raising my kids just to let them do drugs? that's why i stay home to teach them right from wrong, daycares don't do that.

after moving in Ben was trying to understand what Fred did for a living, so he told his grandpa " fred buys lots of drugs, big fat ones and carries guns too!" He's 6, and yes brian thinks it's funny. it's good to tach kids young about drugs and fred is very good about explaining to him now why NOT to do them. he likes the SWAT guys, and thinks he's going to be one for the State Patrol. Gets in the car and talks to the officers about getting all the bad drug guys. it's cute.

i'll be better about making a funny more clear next time. RELAX!!!!!

i'm a good mom and very careful about my kids, that's why i doubt he'll do drugs.

mquast53000 · Post by **mquast53000** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 4:45 pm

Rebecca, I was thinking more on the lines of the quote being taken the wrong way… Not “big fat ones” in the sense of drugs, but in another way.

briannell · Post by **briannell** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 4:57 pm

sick!!!!!!!!!!!

I'd never let that around my son.

urcrackinmeup · Post by **urcrackinmeup** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:02 am

[ ...i stay home to teach them right from wrong, daycares don't do that.]
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Rebecca - That's insulting to every daycare provider that I know. Some of them do a tremendous job with very low pay, I might add.

Cat Gal · Post by **Cat Gal** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 2:31 pm

I agree with urcrack. Obviously you have never had a good day care provider.

briannell · Post by **briannell** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 3:18 pm

I agree with urcrack. Obviously you have never had a good day care provider.

- cat gal

why would i need one? my kids are worth more than a paycheck to me and gave up the cash easily to be with them. preschool teachers are good from my experience, but no substitute for the parents. and it's not the place of the provider to teach morals it's the parents place.

Rebecca - That's insulting to every daycare provider that I know. Some of them do a tremendous job with very low pay, I might add.

-urcrack

simply put it's the provider's place to care & provide a safe & enriching learning environment (academically), not parent the child and instill moral values in them. that is stepping out over the line. and yes i think they (providers) do it because they love children too, not for the money. but i'd put one in their place if they tried to "parent" my child, it's not their place. my 2 cents. i'm anti-daycare anyway, think moms belong home raising kids, and that too is my right. if you can afford
to live on one check, I don't think mom should work outside the home. single parents have NO choice, but married couples often choose cash over kids and to me it's wrong. no sweat off my back if you don't agree, we were simply raised different.

i'm happy to stay home full time, be wife and mom, clean my nice home, cook dinner for my hubby, and be the glue for my family. if you don't that's fine too, isn't nice to have that freedom to choose?

-rebecca

-side note- I put my name where my mouth is, why don't you?

urcrackinmeup · Post by **urcrackinmeup** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 5:04 pm

simply put it's the provider's place to care & provide a safe & enriching learning environment (academically), not parent the child and instill moral values in them.

And how do you propose to divide those up. What about sharing, waiting your turn, being polite, not hitting, the golden rule... those are not 'academics'. Does a provider just ignore that stuff and leave it for the real parent? No, they spend a lot of their day working on those things. It's not black and white -- academics v. morals.

but i'd put one in their place if they tried to "parent" my child, it's not their place.

Well I am glad your kids are not in daycare because with that attitude they wouldn't be there long. It's not a competition. It's a joint effort to do the best possible job raising the child. Sometimes a person educated/experienced in working with kids actually knows more about some behavioral situations than a first time parent.

I think it's great if a parent can stay home and raise their children well. I'm just taking offense at your generalization about daycares.

briannell · Post by **briannell** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 5:18 pm

Well I am glad your kids are not in daycare because with that attitude they wouldn't be there long. It's not a competition. It's a joint effort to do the best possible job raising the child. Sometimes a person educated/experienced in working with kids actually knows more about some behavioral situations than a first time parent

actually, my children are extremely well mannered and social, and work well with other kids. I have taught Sunday School, and my kids are well behaved for all of the adults they have been around. never have had complaints from sons preschool about behavior issues, other than he's shy and doesn't nap. we are now trying 5/wk kindergarten and i'm sure there will be a difference, but so far he's a good kid (minus the few bad words he learned from husbands first sargeant

) we've learned not to say those any longer. as for my daughter, she was a "perfect" patient for Children's staff for 21 months, and now we are well enough to go to play groups, so we'll see, but she's a lovey girl and very respectful. i don't foresee problems with her.

as for first time parenting, i came from very strong church background and turned towards them for help and wisdom, as well as family and friends, so no need for providers to enlighten me.

also took ed/psych/health classes at MSU, because i knew I wanted to be a mom, and needed that background to help be a better parent.

true, some people don't have the background i do and need help, I did not need daycare. if a single parent i would need daycare, and i would choose wisely the person selected and have a plan as to how they would be instructed in non educational curriculum.

so hate to chap your hide, but i'm a nice mom, with nice kids. no daycare required.

-rebecca

-side note- we all went to the ball game a few days ago, kids did great with other children and adults, guess i've done something right with them.

'93HonoluluCat · Post by **'93HonoluluCat** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 9:39 pm

I don't mean to drag this thread kicking and screaming back on topic, but...

I find it interesting that the Army Air Force Exchange System (AAFES)--it's the organization that runs the "Wal-Mart-style" stores on Army posts and Air Force Bases--is removing all drugs containing pseudoephedrine soon. Seems AAFES is worried about meth cookers with military IDs...

briannell · Post by **briannell** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 7:56 am

HC93-

i heard that too, especailly since the Ft. Lewis area is a hot bed for Meth. Notice that they already posted only 1 box per purchase at our exchange. soon, you'll be able to pick it up at the mini PX inside of MAMC hospital but not in the main exchange.

-rebecca