Course of Action if the Cats Lose?

G.W.Bush · Post by **G.W.Bush** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:04 am

What will happen in the football offices if the Cats go 7-4 or 6-5 without a conference championship or playoff appearance? Are there any heads on the chopping block?

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:09 am

The NCAA last year said it would no longer just use 4 losses as a key to get into the playoffs, but would also look at 7 wins and who the teams have played that year. WIth the Big Sky conference the top ranked conference right now in the Power Index poll, I would think that 2 teams should get in from our conference this year. Especially since Big Sky Conference teams have knocked off the number one seeds the last 2 years as well. However this is not a FOR SURE thing so who knows. But I would think if MSU wins the rest of their home games and makes the EWU game a close/good ball game they have to look that we played OK State very tough and have lost to TWO top 10 teams with our 4 losses (and I'm not saying we can't beat EWU ... just we will have to play our best game on both sides of the ball to beat them).

Hell's Bells · Post by **Hell's Bells** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:13 am

CARDIAC_CATS wrote:The NCAA last year said it would no longer just use 4 losses as a key to get into the playoffs, but would also look at 7 wins and who the teams have played that year. WIth the Big Sky conference the top ranked conference right now in the Power Index poll, I would think that 2 teams should get in from our conference this year. Especially since Big Sky Conference teams have knocked off the number one seeds the last 2 years as well. However this is not a FOR SURE thing so who knows. But I would think if MSU wins the rest of their home games and makes the EWU game a close/good ball game they have to look that we played OK State very tough and have lost to TWO top 10 teams with our 4 losses (and I'm not saying we can't beat EWU ... just we will have to play our best game on both sides of the ball to beat them).

honestly i would say that ewu then either/or Portland state, msu, um get into the playoffs

G.W.Bush · Post by **G.W.Bush** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:15 am

CARDIAC_CATS wrote:The NCAA last year said it would no longer just use 4 losses as a key to get into the playoffs, but would also look at 7 wins and who the teams have played that year. WIth the Big Sky conference the top ranked conference right now in the Power Index poll, I would think that 2 teams should get in from our conference this year. Especially since Big Sky Conference teams have knocked off the number one seeds the last 2 years as well. However this is not a FOR SURE thing so who knows. But I would think if MSU wins the rest of their home games and makes the EWU game a close/good ball game they have to look that we played OK State very tough and have lost to TWO top 10 teams with our 4 losses (and I'm not saying we can't beat EWU ... just we will have to play our best game on both sides of the ball to beat them).

You didn't answer the question. I said if we don't make the playoffs, what will happen in with the coaching staff? Your answer better fits my other post.

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:18 am

G.W.Bush wrote:
CARDIAC_CATS wrote:The NCAA last year said it would no longer just use 4 losses as a key to get into the playoffs, but would also look at 7 wins and who the teams have played that year. WIth the Big Sky conference the top ranked conference right now in the Power Index poll, I would think that 2 teams should get in from our conference this year. Especially since Big Sky Conference teams have knocked off the number one seeds the last 2 years as well. However this is not a FOR SURE thing so who knows. But I would think if MSU wins the rest of their home games and makes the EWU game a close/good ball game they have to look that we played OK State very tough and have lost to TWO top 10 teams with our 4 losses (and I'm not saying we can't beat EWU ... just we will have to play our best game on both sides of the ball to beat them).
You didn't answer the question. I said if we don't make the playoffs, what will happen in with the coaching staff? Your answer better fits my other post.

Simple - nothing will happen to the coaching staff. We need to recruit well and get healthy. Playing a little easier schedule might help too next year

. Keep in mind that if we have 4 losses, it will probably be to 3 top 15 1-AA teams and a 1-A team. All 3 of those being on the road as well.

G.W.Bush · Post by **G.W.Bush** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:25 am

CARDIAC_CATS wrote:Simple - nothing will happen to the coaching staff. We need to recruit well and get healthy. Playing a little easier schedule might help too next year . Keep in mind that if we have 4 losses, it will probably be to 3 top 15 1-AA teams and a 1-A team. All 3 of those being on the road as well.

You honestly don't think we would do anything? You have to consider what Kramer and Company are working with. One of the best QB in Big Sky history, and you don't think there is a certain amount of expectation? If the Cats fall like they did in 2004 you think people would just shrug their shoulders and say, "better luck next time." I think that people will be upset and are going to want to see some changes to the program. I am not saying Kramer, but I am looking in the general direction of the offensive coordinator for starters.

grizzh8r · Post by **grizzh8r** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:34 am

Same old vendetta against Bailey, eh?

PDXKat · Post by **PDXKat** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:43 am

G.W.Bush wrote:[ I am not saying Kramer, but I am looking in the general direction of the offensive coordinator for starters.

The offensive coordinator? So this past week - tell me what the offense should have done.

G.W.Bush · Post by **G.W.Bush** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:46 am

PDXKat wrote:
G.W.Bush wrote:[ I am not saying Kramer, but I am looking in the general direction of the offensive coordinator for starters.
The offensive coordinator? So this past week - tell me what the offense should have done.

Run the ball less. Seriously why did we give the RBs the ball so many times? Twelve carries! We were set up for failure with those calls!

I simply believe that if the Cats fall apart something HAS to be done. Not doing anything is NOT the right approach.

Hell's Bells · Post by **Hell's Bells** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 12:00 pm

G.W.Bush wrote:
PDXKat wrote:
G.W.Bush wrote:[ I am not saying Kramer, but I am looking in the general direction of the offensive coordinator for starters.
The offensive coordinator? So this past week - tell me what the offense should have done.

CelticCat · Post by **CelticCat** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 12:00 pm

Getting 500 yards of total offense, 41 points and only one turnover and you think the offense coordinator is at fault? We punt what, 4 times? Give me a break man.

I haven't been a big fan of Bailey myself, but you can't pin that one on him.

If you are going to call for anyones head if we don't make the playoffs, go for the Coach Ks.

BelgradeBobcat · Post by **BelgradeBobcat** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 12:32 pm

We'd run the ball more if we ever had a lead on someone. The last two weeks we've coming from behind. Whenever we did get a slight lead on PSU the offense would go 3 and out. If anything-if we do get a lead we should become less conservative!

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 12:51 pm

G.W.Bush wrote:
CARDIAC_CATS wrote:Simple - nothing will happen to the coaching staff. We need to recruit well and get healthy. Playing a little easier schedule might help too next year . Keep in mind that if we have 4 losses, it will probably be to 3 top 15 1-AA teams and a 1-A team. All 3 of those being on the road as well.
You honestly don't think we would do anything? You have to consider what Kramer and Company are working with. One of the best QB in Big Sky history, and you don't think there is a certain amount of expectation? If the Cats fall like they did in 2004 you think people would just shrug their shoulders and say, "better luck next time." I think that people will be upset and are going to want to see some changes to the program. I am not saying Kramer, but I am looking in the general direction of the offensive coordinator for starters.

Lets see. MSU is selling out all their games this year. Program is growing leaps and bounds and our offense is starting gel at just the right time. There are some darn good teams in the Big Sky this year. It's going to take some good play and LUCK to make it through it unscathed.

tetoncat · Post by **tetoncat** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:18 pm

You can't blame the offensive coordinator this week, but probably the defensive one. I said last week we would win if we kept them under 200 rushing and 150 passing. The passing attack is what killed us not the runs. Every time we did put them in 3rd and long, we gave a big pass play that kept them going.

gtapp · Post by **gtapp** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:30 pm

I would love to see some coaching changes but in reality it probably won't happen. Each year we lose a couple of assistants who take different or even better jobs but that would probably be it. Kramer has mentioned several times that if we don't do as well as expected this year (ie. playoff's) he is challenging himself and his staff as to their ability to recruit the "right" kids. I would argue that the overall team talent is not where it was a couple of years ago. I believe that the depth is better and the transfers he is getting is better but that there just arn't as many 'Star" players on the team. And in 1-AA a couple of Stars can make a big difference.

wbtfg · Post by **wbtfg** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:08 pm

G.W.Bush wrote:What will happen in the football offices if the Cats go 7-4 or 6-5 without a conference championship or playoff appearance? Are there any heads on the chopping block?

Why do you use your second user ID when bashing coaches? All of your posts w/ the GW handle deal with firing Bailey, and now canning Kramer. If you are going to post this why don't you grow a pair and use your origional user name?

DaGriz · Post by **DaGriz** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 7:48 am

I believe that the depth is better and the transfers he is getting is better but that there just arn't as many 'Star" players on the team. And in 1-AA a couple of Stars can make a big difference.

I disagree, you have Lulay, one of the biggest stars in I-AA and Gatewood. He has had huge games since he has been back. Most schools don't have more than 1 or 2 stars at the I-AA level, even when they win a championship. UNH has Ricky Santos, EWU really only had Kimble and Meyer last year, in 2000 I wouldn't call Edwards a star but I would call Humphries one for us. GSU had Adrianne Peterson during their last run and Sam Houston had Dustin Long last year. It seems like S.Illinois was loaded with stars last year and EWU knocked them out in the first round.

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