Playoff W-L Division 1 games scenarios.

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 12:41 pm

Since it has been discussed that the NCAA will be looking at DIV 1 wins (7 wins etc.) versus 4 losses this year what do you all think would happen to the Grizzlies chances if they end up as follows:

Lose to Cal Poly (3 losses)
Lose to MSU (4 losses).

Keep in mind, they would have 4 losses, but only 6 DIV 1-A wins? Could the Div II team on their schedule come back to bite them? 7-4 (6 Div 1 wins).

Also, does anyone know if this is 'LEGIT' policy that they will be using this year on out? Or is this just an 'additional' guideline that they will 'try' and go by unless it's a cash cow school

Hell's Bells · Post by **Hell's Bells** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 12:49 pm

might as well move this to smack right now....

grizband · Post by **grizband** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 12:50 pm

Yes, if that scenario did play out, the Division II team we played will come to bite us in the butt. However, unless we win the conference, I don't know if we would deserve to get in with a 7-4 record anyways.

catatac · Post by **catatac** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:38 pm

grizband wrote:Yes, if that scenario did play out, the Division II team we played will come to bite us in the butt. However, unless we win the conference, I don't know if we would deserve to get in with a 7-4 record anyways.

Exactly. I think under the current guidelines - that scenario would eliminate the Griz from the playoffs because it states that teams with 7 wins against Division 1 competition would be considered. They'd only have 6. The only way they make the playoffs under that scenario is to win the Big Sky at 5-2 via tiebreakers - which would be a tall order since EWU and MSU would hold the tie-breaker edge over UM. Not impossible though - could possibly be another season with 3 teams at 5-2.

tetoncat · Post by **tetoncat** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 9:51 am

It would be impossible for the Griz if the tie was with MSU and EWU because they would have lost to both of us. MSU would be out with a loss to EWU and EWU would win. Cats need to win out or if we have a loss it cannot be to EWU or the GRIZ and PSU needs to lose 2 more.

iaafan · Post by **iaafan** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 11:02 am

catatac wrote:
grizband wrote:Yes, if that scenario did play out, the Division II team we played will come to bite us in the butt. However, unless we win the conference, I don't know if we would deserve to get in with a 7-4 record anyways.
Exactly. I think under the current guidelines - that scenario would eliminate the Griz from the playoffs because it states that teams with 7 wins against Division 1 competition would be considered. They'd only have 6. The only way they make the playoffs under that scenario is to win the Big Sky at 5-2 via tiebreakers - which would be a tall order since EWU and MSU would hold the tie-breaker edge over UM. Not impossible though - could possibly be another season with 3 teams at 5-2.

See item 3. UM could still get in with just six DI wins, but they are in 'jeopardy' if that's the case.

The following principles shall apply when selecting at-large teams:
1. The committee shall select the best teams available on a national at-large basis to complete the bracket;
2. There is no limit to the number of teams the committee may select from one conference;
3. The won-lost record of a team will be scrutinized to determine a team’s strength of schedule; however, less than seven Division I wins may place a team in jeopardy of not being selected;
4. The committee may give more consideration to those teams that have played all Division I opponents; and
5. If the team of a committee member is under consideration, the member may not vote for the team being considered and will not be in the room when a vote is taken.

catatac · Post by **catatac** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 12:36 pm

Thanks for the post - had not seen those actual rules before. One other thought, I know we blew a great chance to really take ahold of our destiny at PSU, but I can tell you right now - if S.F. Austin makes the playoffs and we don't - that won't sit well with me.

jagur1 · Post by **jagur1** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 12:38 pm

Well Catatac look on the brightside at least OSU won't be going to a bowl game.

Yeh yeh i know smack board ------> I'm off catch all you guys/gals on Monday.

tetoncat · Post by **tetoncat** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 1:34 pm

SF Austin got pounded last night by Sam HOuston State. Hurts their chances I am sure. I think it was 54-24 or something like that.

MSU01 · Post by **MSU01** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 1:55 pm

The word "may" sure is used a lot of times in those rules...I take it to mean that the committee can still just do whatever the *#($ they want to whether it makes sense or not!

catatac · Post by **catatac** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 2:47 pm

tetoncat wrote:SF Austin got pounded last night by Sam HOuston State. Hurts their chances I am sure. I think it was 54-24 or something like that.

Thanks for the update - I didn't think they were playing until Sat. Looks like they're 4-3 now as well...

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:41 pm

MSU01 wrote:The word "may" sure is used a lot of times in those rules...I take it to mean that the committee can still just do whatever the *#($ they want to whether it makes sense or not!

That is pretty much what I got out of those guidlines as well. 'May'be it will end up helping us then

CatGrad89 · Post by **CatGrad89** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 4:14 pm

I admit it....I want the griz to lose ALL of the rest of their games - especially their last one. We owe them a 49-3 spanking!

cornbreadfred · Post by **cornbreadfred** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 11:03 pm

Money talks in Div I-AA and it would be a crime, but depending on the scenario i could still see the griz even get a home game

GrizinWashington · Post by **GrizinWashington** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 6:38 pm

Given the lack of consistency by any of the top 25 in I-AA this year, I'd say we'll see at least one and probably a couple of 7-4 teams in the playoffs, especially if one of the losses is to a I-A.