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Re: Brian Fish New Coach?

Post by kennethnoisewater » Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:02 pm

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grizatwork wrote:He may have jumped at the opportunity to be a head coach. Prove himself a winner here and he could move up a level.
Or (and this is where you will see my inner child and his big dreams) he can make MSU a winner, turning MSU into a perennial top-tier mid-major, bringing in tons of fans and tons of money from around the state/region, allowing MSU to pay him a lot more down the road and thus keeping him for a long time. :thumbup:
That was my concern too. If he's any good, I can't imagine he'd be here more than four years...probably closer to two if he's great. That's just the way you have to play it at MSU's level. Unless you hire a guy who's over the hill, you'll get guys making a quick step.

Maybe that's why they didn't want somebody from Montana; they knew he'd either be bad and tough to fire, or he'd be good and gone quickly, making him tougher to replace.

Good news is, if he does a great job, it's a better program and easier to hire for. If he's not so good, we're no worse off.

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Re: Brian Fish New Coach?

Post by CelticCat » Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:38 pm

I'd kill for a coach to give us back to back 25 win seasons, a big dance appearance or two and then bolt for a big job. I just want the program to be rejuvenated.


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Re: Brian Fish New Coach?

Post by imacat » Tue Apr 01, 2014 1:28 pm

CelticCat wrote:I'd kill for a coach to give us back to back 25 win seasons, a big dance appearance or two and then bolt for a big job. I just want the program to be rejuvenated.
I completely agree! If coach Fish builds a resume here that gets him a bigger job I will be very happy! It would be a win/win for Bobcat basketball and coach Fish. It would also make the position that much more attractive for the next candidate pool.



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Re: Brian Fish New Coach?

Post by DicTater » Tue Apr 01, 2014 1:47 pm

What I think this process shows is that there are a lot of great candidates for a head coaching job. There are only so many Div. I head coaching jobs and there are a lot of assistant coaches who want to be the head guy. There are a lot of head coaches who have been head coaches for a long time, they never leave. (Boeheim, K, Roy Williams, Izzo, Bo Ryan, Rick Barnes, Fisher,Huggins). If Fish is successful and moves on, there are plenty more guys chomping at the bit. It was so frustrating to me that MSU kept Huse for 8 years because I was quite certain that there were a lot of great coaches out there who would jump at the job. If Fish doesn't work out, there is no reason to wait another 8 years.



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Re: Brian Fish New Coach?

Post by wbtfg » Tue Apr 01, 2014 2:11 pm

I'm excited about the hire. I hope the best for Coach Huse and staff. Shawn Dirden is really a great guy and coach, I hope he finds something soon.



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Re: Brian Fish New Coach?

Post by CelticCat » Tue Apr 01, 2014 4:15 pm

I am excited about this hire!

What kind of team can we expect for anyone familiar with his teams he has been on? I have no idea what Oregon does. I read he was at TCU and they had a fast-paced attack.

He certainly has his work cut out for him, better hit the ground recruiting. Our staring lineup as it stands isn't going to win many games I don't think. Unless Fish you know, can actually get a team to play together and play above their ability.

PG Colbert / Dison
G Holm / Wentz? Bray?
C Brumwell or Robison -
F Norman / Shannon
F Brown / Shannon

I like Colbert, Holm will be a good one, I liked the way Norman played later in the year he really came on. C needs major help and I wouldn't be surprised to see Shannon push for that SF spot from Brown.

I know we got some high school kids coming in, if Nehme holds (I have a feeling he won't). Then a couple of Brits who I imagine will take a year to acclimate.


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Re: Brian Fish New Coach?

Post by coachouert » Tue Apr 01, 2014 4:31 pm

This is an email I received from the Bobcat Club. I'm pretty excited about the hire.
Montana State University will introduce new men’s basketball coach Brian Fish at 2:30 pm Wednesday at the Leigh Lounge in the Strand Union Building, Director of Athletics Peter Fields announced Tuesday.

The public is invited to the press conference, which begins at 2:30 pm. The Leigh Lounge is located on the north end of the SUB’s second level, near the First Interstate Bank and Avogadro’s Number locations. Refreshments and snacks will be served, with parking available in the Gatton Lot south of the Strand Union Building.


BOZEMAN, Mont. – Brian Fish has served as a Division I assistant basketball coach for a quarter-century. This week, he receives the opportunity of a lifetime.

“I’m overwhelmed with emotion,” Fish said after Montana State University Director of Athletics Peter Fields named Fish the 22nd full-time men’s basketball coach in school history. “I’m very excited and feel really good that an Athletic Director such as Peter Fields and Montana State University believes in me and is trusting me with its basketball program.”

Fields said his conversations with people about Fish during the selection process always returned to a few key ideas. “He has great integrity,” Fields said. “He’s a very loyal person, a very hard worker, he’s committed to helping student-athletes succeed, and he’s a tremendous student of the game of basketball.”

Fish comes to MSU after four seasons on Dana Altman’s staff at the University of Oregon, a period in which the Ducks compiled 96 wins, including three in the NCAA Tournament, and advanced to the post-season each year. He spent the previous six seasons (2004-10 as assistant coach), and eight years overall (including 1994-96 as video coordinator), on Altman’s staff at Creighton, and was also assistant coach (2003-04) and associate head coach (2004-05) at San Diego, and assistant coach (1996-2002) on Billy Tubbs’ staff at TCU.

While his association with Altman has spanned a quarter-century and the width of the continent, Fish remains thankful. “You can’t really control the first person you work for,” he said. “My first job was with Coach Altman and I ended up being with him for 15 years and I learned the business the right way, with integrity yet being able to win a lot of games. We had a lot of kids graduate, and some of them had professional basketball careers, and the one thing that was out of my control was the first person that hired me. That ended up being the luckiest thing that’s happened to me.”

During the 25 years since joining Altman’s staff at Marshall, Fish has worked with several preeminent college head coaches. He said he’s taken positive elements from each stop.

“I learned a great deal about coaching from Coach Altman,” Fish said, “a great deal about how to develop a team and how to bring a team along. In my six years with Billy Tubbs I learned a totally different style of basketball. We won a lot of games and I learned how to play up-tempo, and I learned a lot of things just riding in a car with him going to see a recruit. (San Diego head coach) Brad Holland was a great guy to work for and a great people person. He’s a very good coach, but was also very good at getting to know people and pushing the buttons to get the best out of them.”
It was Fish’s relationship with Holland that first put the Treasure State on his radar. “Brad was born in Montana, and raved all the time to me about how proud he was to be from here. His uncles came out to San Diego once a year to see a game, and the pride he had in being from Montana is something I’ll never forget.”

The more he learned about the Bobcat program, Fish said, the more familiar it seemed. “All of my research kept coming back to the potential of the basketball program and the excellence of the University,” he said. “The fans have a great love for the Bobcats. What the school has done with the football program, getting 19,000 fans to games, is something that attracted me because it’s similar to when we took over at Oregon. Coach (Chip) Kelly had that football program no. one in the country and we kind of drafted off of that while we built our program. The way Coach (Rob) Ash has the football team playing here, with the great crowds and the love of that team, I want to do the same thing we did at Oregon.”

A native of Seymour, Ind., Fish played under Clem Haskins for two seasons (1984-86) at Western Kentucky, with the Hilltoppers winning 37 games, including a 23-8 record as a sophomore. The next year he transferred to Marshall, and during his time there the Thundering Herd compiled a 64-29 record, including a pair of league titles.

After earning his BA degree from Marshall in 1989, Fish remained at the Huntington, W.V. school to serve as a graduate assistant for Altman. Altman earned Southern Conference Coach of the Year honors that season, and after he moved to Kansas State Fish remained at his alma mater for two seasons as an assistant coach under Dwight Freeman. In 1992-93 he rejoined Altman in Manhattan, Kans., as film coordinator, and when Altman moved to Creighton in 1994 Fish went along for two seasons in the same capacity.

Fish has enjoyed success at every stop in his basketball career. In 2009 he was named to the Indiana Basketball Hall of Fame Silver Anniversary Team for his legendary high school career, and he helped lead two different programs to NCAA Tournament berths as a player. In each of his four stops as an assistant coach Fish’s squads advanced to the NCAA Tournament at least once.

Fish’s work taking over program’s not at the peak of success impressed Fields. “I knew my top candidate had to be a person who had worked at programs that didn’t have a big advantage in resources, and also at programs that weren’t enjoying great success when he arrived on the staff. Brian rose to the top in that regard, and my connection with him is going to be very important because we will have to work together to achieve the success that we both want.”


BRIAN FISH COACHING TIMELINE
2010-14 University of Oregon Assistant Coach
2004-10 Creighton University Assistant Coach
2003-04 University of San Diego Assoc. Head Coach
2002-03 University of San Diego Assistant Coach
1996-2002 TCU Assistant Coach
1994-96 Creighton University Film Coordinator
1992-94 Kansas State Univ. Film Coordinator
1990-92 Marshall University Assistant Coach
1989-90 Marshall University Graduate Assistant

EDUCATION
BA in Sports Management, Marshall University, 1989

BRIAN FISH PLAYING CAREER
1987-89 Marshall University (redshirted in 1986-87)
1984-86 Western Kentucky University


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Re: Brian Fish New Coach?

Post by Hawks86 » Tue Apr 01, 2014 4:40 pm

CelticCat wrote: I know we got some high school kids coming in, if Nehme holds (I have a feeling he won't). Then a couple of Brits who I imagine will take a year to acclimate.

Just wondering why you think Nehme would change his mind. If he liked MSU before he should like it even more now, IMO.


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Re: Brian Fish New Coach?

Post by wbtfg » Tue Apr 01, 2014 4:53 pm

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CelticCat wrote: I know we got some high school kids coming in, if Nehme holds (I have a feeling he won't). Then a couple of Brits who I imagine will take a year to acclimate.
Just wondering why you think Nehme would change his mind. If he liked MSU before he should like it even more now, IMO.
Nehme signed before his MONSTER senior year, and would likely be getting offers from larger programs now. Dirden was on him early, and now with no Dirden, and potentially bigger programs interested, I wouldn't be surprised if he asked for a release.



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Post by vike_king » Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:28 pm

I hate to be a "debbie downer" but.....I have heard a quote that goes something like........"there is a reason that a long-time assistant is a long-time assistant". I hope Coach Fish does well but with a lack of head coaching experience, I am going to wait and see.


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Re: Brian Fish New Coach?

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CelticCat wrote: I know we got some high school kids coming in, if Nehme holds (I have a feeling he won't). Then a couple of Brits who I imagine will take a year to acclimate.
Just wondering why you think Nehme would change his mind. If he liked MSU before he should like it even more now, IMO.
Nehme signed before his MONSTER senior year, and would likely be getting offers from larger programs now. Dirden was on him early, and now with no Dirden, and potentially bigger programs interested, I wouldn't be surprised if he asked for a release.
I have no inside info, but I wouldn't be surprised if he stays. This glass is half full. :)


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Post by TomCat88 » Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:32 pm

vike_king wrote:I hate to be a "debbie downer" but.....I have heard a quote that goes something like........"there is a reason that a long-time assistant is a long-time assistant". I hope Coach Fish does well but with a lack of head coaching experience, I am going to wait and see.
I was a long time assistant, but I've led my YMCA girls hoop team to back-to-back championships in my only two years as a head coach. :) Does that count?


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Post by mslacatfan » Tue Apr 01, 2014 6:37 pm

CelticCat wrote:I'd kill for a coach to give us back to back 25 win seasons, a big dance appearance or two and then bolt for a big job. I just want the program to be rejuvenated.
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Post by Gidal Kaiser » Tue Apr 01, 2014 6:50 pm

UPDATED: FISHING FOR A WINNER Brian Fish named 22nd head coach in MSU historyhttp://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/sp ... d6a51.html


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Post by vike_king » Tue Apr 01, 2014 7:11 pm

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vike_king wrote:I hate to be a "debbie downer" but.....I have heard a quote that goes something like........"there is a reason that a long-time assistant is a long-time assistant". I hope Coach Fish does well but with a lack of head coaching experience, I am going to wait and see.
I was a long time assistant, but I've led my YMCA girls hoop team to back-to-back championships in my only two years as a head coach. :) Does that count?
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vike_king wrote:I hate to be a "debbie downer" but.....I have heard a quote that goes something like........"there is a reason that a long-time assistant is a long-time assistant". I hope Coach Fish does well but with a lack of head coaching experience, I am going to wait and see.
Does that mean Wojo at Duke (now Marquette) falls into the same category?


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Post by kennethnoisewater » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:31 pm

vike_king wrote:I hate to be a "debbie downer" but.....I have heard a quote that goes something like........"there is a reason that a long-time assistant is a long-time assistant". I hope Coach Fish does well but with a lack of head coaching experience, I am going to wait and see.
If he was a few years older, I might agree. If he was a few years younger, he'd be a young head coach. I'd say it's more of an indictment of the head coaches he's worked under than it is of him. Guys who work under guys like Coach K, Pitino, Boeheim, etc get head coaching jobs quicker. Not saying Altman isn't a quality head coach, just saying he's not gonna get his guys noticed quite as quickly.


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Re: Brian Fish New Coach?

Post by SACCAT » Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:04 am

wbtfg wrote:
Hawks86 wrote:
CelticCat wrote: I know we got some high school kids coming in, if Nehme holds (I have a feeling he won't). Then a couple of Brits who I imagine will take a year to acclimate.
Just wondering why you think Nehme would change his mind. If he liked MSU before he should like it even more now, IMO.
Nehme signed before his MONSTER senior year, and would likely be getting offers from larger programs now. Dirden was on him early, and now with no Dirden, and potentially bigger programs interested, I wouldn't be surprised if he asked for a release.
Maybe he will keep Dirden on staff. It seems like it would be a good move, even though it rarely ever happens.



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Re: Brian Fish New Coach?

Post by ilovethecats » Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:45 am

CatBlitz wrote:
vike_king wrote:I hate to be a "debbie downer" but.....I have heard a quote that goes something like........"there is a reason that a long-time assistant is a long-time assistant". I hope Coach Fish does well but with a lack of head coaching experience, I am going to wait and see.
Does that mean Wojo at Duke (now Marquette) falls into the same category?
I agree. there are MANY reasons why some assistants remain assistants for a long time. only one of which is they aren't "good enough" to be head coaches.

I'm excited about this hire although it came out of nowhere for me.

that being said...I was excited about the huse hire as well... #-o



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