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noo the only thing you are right on is that i am not using standard issue leftist logicBay Area Cat wrote:In my period of no internet access, I was wondering if HB was gleeful over this issue, and if GL was pointing out to him the larger picture implications, and if HB was fighting against the logic.
Everybody is certainly entitled to their own opinion, but we are all well advised to rely on better information to alter our opinions when it is presented to us.Hell's Bells wrote:noo the only thing you are right on is that i am not using standard issue leftist logicBay Area Cat wrote:In my period of no internet access, I was wondering if HB was gleeful over this issue, and if GL was pointing out to him the larger picture implications, and if HB was fighting against the logic.
sorry bac everybody is entitled to their opinion
Since you're adopting the Ann Coulter style of debate, please at least include an accusation of treason. I've always thought it would be cool to be accused of treason...Hell's Bells wrote:noo the only thing you are right on is that i am not using standard issue leftist logic
only if i can slam you and bac in a book that makes enough money for me to retireGrizlaw wrote:Since you're adopting the Ann Coulter style of debate, please at least include an accusation of treason. I've always thought it would be cool to be accused of treason...Hell's Bells wrote:noo the only thing you are right on is that i am not using standard issue leftist logic
No offense Hell's, but I wouldn't count on it. You're missing a few of the, uh, genetic attributes that serve as the cornerstone of Coulter's success, if you catch my drift.Hell's Bells wrote:only if i can slam you and bac in a book that makes enough money for me to retire
not funnyGrizlaw wrote:No offense Hell's, but I wouldn't count on it. You're missing a few of the, uh, genetic attributes that serve as the cornerstone of Coulter's success, if you catch my drift.Hell's Bells wrote:only if i can slam you and bac in a book that makes enough money for me to retire
Oh c'mon; it was a little funny.Hell's Bells wrote:not funny
GL, any way you could post an abstract of the article? I don't have BugMeNot installed on my computer, and I don't feel like registering with the LA Times...
At the time I posted the link, I was able to view it without being registered with the LA Times, and I'm not registered either. However, below is USA Today's coverage:'93HonoluluCat wrote:GL, any way you could post an abstract of the article? I don't have BugMeNot installed on my computer, and I don't feel like registering with the LA Times...
Church could lose tax-exempt status for anti-war sermon
LOS ANGELES (AP) — The Internal Revenue Service has warned a prominent liberal church that it could lose its tax-exempt status because of an anti-war sermon a guest preacher gave on the eve of the 2004 presidential election, according to church officials.
The Rev. George F. Regas did not urge parishioners at All Saints Episcopal Church to support either President Bush or John Kerry, but he was critical of the Iraq war and Bush's tax cuts.
The IRS warned the church in June that its tax-exempt status was in jeopardy because such organizations are prohibited from intervening in political campaigns and elections.
The church's rector, J. Edwin Bacon, told his congregation about the problem Sunday.
"It's important for everyone to understand that the IRS concerns are not supported by the facts," Bacon said.
Bacon later said he chose Sunday to inform the congregation because Nobel Peace Prize winner Archbishop Desmond Tutu was in attendance and because he believes a decision from the IRS is imminent. He called the IRS threat "a direct assault on freedom of speech and freedom of religion."
An IRS spokesman in Washington declined to comment Monday, saying he could not discuss particular cases.
Some All Saints members said they feared the 3,500-member church was being singled out for its political views.
All Saints has long been vocal about its positions. Its website mentions the upcoming special election in California and says three Republican-backed propositions would "alter the very fabric of our lives as a democracy by limiting the right to representation and the right to express a political point of view." Regas, who gave the 2004 sermon, retired 10 years ago as the church's rector.
Marcus Owens, the church's tax attorney and a former head of the IRS tax-exempt section, said the agency offered to drop the proceedings if the church admitted wrongdoing. The church declined the offer, he said.
The IRS has revoked a church's charitable designation at least once. A church in Binghamton, N.Y., lost its status after running advertisements against Bill Clinton's candidacy before the 1992 presidential election.