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Post by SonomaCat » Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:11 pm

Very well said, El Gato. I wholeheartedly agree with your message.

It would be nice to be inspired by a leader for a change as opposed to voting for the lesser of two evils.



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Post by Hell's Bells » Wed Nov 16, 2005 1:55 pm

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[quote]In a more than two-hour deposition, Woodward told Special Counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald that the official casually told him in mid-June 2003 that Plame worked as a CIA analyst on weapons of mass destruction, and that he did not believe the information to be classified or sensitive, according to a statement Woodward released yesterday[quote]


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Post by SonomaCat » Wed Nov 16, 2005 2:39 pm

Hell's Bells wrote:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... rss_nation
In a more than two-hour deposition, Woodward told Special Counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald that the official casually told him in mid-June 2003 that Plame worked as a CIA analyst on weapons of mass destruction, and that he did not believe the information to be classified or sensitive, according to a statement Woodward released yesterday
Ahh, working that "They're not lying, they're just hopelessly imcompetent" angle again, huh? :wink:
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Post by Ponycat » Wed Nov 16, 2005 3:08 pm

I guess I'm not following what your saying here BAC.



I always have liked Woodward even though he took down my man Nixon. I've always enjoyed his books and never thought him to be biased towards R's or D's.


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Post by SonomaCat » Wed Nov 16, 2005 3:12 pm

I assume what HB is stressing by quoting that particular part of the article is that the high-ranking administration official did not believe the information was classified or sensitive (although it's hard to tell from the text whether that was Woodward's opinion, for which he would have no basis, or his impression of the administration official's impression of the information).

My point was that if a senior administration official was casually telling people this information and representing that it was not classified or senstive, and the official actually believed that to be true, they are simply grossly incompetent, as the information was, in fact, classified and sensitive.

Nobody really seems to have figured out what this Woodward relevation means, however. Neither side seems to be celebrating it -- it just seems to be confusing things even more, and raises some questions about why he didn't come forward earlier.



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Post by Ponycat » Wed Nov 16, 2005 3:16 pm

Gotch ya,

My take was that it was Woodwards opinion but I see where your coming from.

It's interesting to me that Woodward thinks this investigation is such a waste.


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Post by Hell's Bells » Wed Nov 16, 2005 3:17 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:I assume what HB is stressing by quoting that particular part of the article is that the high-ranking administration official did not believe the information was classified or sensitive (although it's hard to tell from the text whether that was Woodward's opinion, for which he would have no basis, or his impression of the administration official's impression of the information).

My point was that if a senior administration official was casually telling people this information and representing that it was not classified or senstive, and the official actually believed that to be true, they are simply grossly incompetent, as the information was, in fact, classified and sensitive.

Nobody really seems to have figured out what this Woodward relevation means, however. Neither side seems to be celebrating it -- it just seems to be confusing things even more, and raises some questions about why he didn't come forward earlier.
i was just saying that there is another journalist that is involved in this so called scandal

goto www.drudgereport.com there is more articles that are more in-depth. appearantly he wanted nothing to do with this mess


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Post by SonomaCat » Wed Nov 16, 2005 3:35 pm

Hell's Bells wrote:
Bay Area Cat wrote:I assume what HB is stressing by quoting that particular part of the article is that the high-ranking administration official did not believe the information was classified or sensitive (although it's hard to tell from the text whether that was Woodward's opinion, for which he would have no basis, or his impression of the administration official's impression of the information).

My point was that if a senior administration official was casually telling people this information and representing that it was not classified or senstive, and the official actually believed that to be true, they are simply grossly incompetent, as the information was, in fact, classified and sensitive.

Nobody really seems to have figured out what this Woodward relevation means, however. Neither side seems to be celebrating it -- it just seems to be confusing things even more, and raises some questions about why he didn't come forward earlier.
i was just saying that there is another journalist that is involved in this so called scandal

goto www.drudgereport.com there is more articles that are more in-depth. appearantly he wanted nothing to do with this mess
My bad -- I read more into your quote than you intended.

I'm not surprised that he wanted nothing to do with the investigation -- it's not a very fun position to be in for anyone involved.



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Post by Hell's Bells » Wed Nov 16, 2005 3:40 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:
Hell's Bells wrote:
Bay Area Cat wrote:I assume what HB is stressing by quoting that particular part of the article is that the high-ranking administration official did not believe the information was classified or sensitive (although it's hard to tell from the text whether that was Woodward's opinion, for which he would have no basis, or his impression of the administration official's impression of the information).

My point was that if a senior administration official was casually telling people this information and representing that it was not classified or senstive, and the official actually believed that to be true, they are simply grossly incompetent, as the information was, in fact, classified and sensitive.

Nobody really seems to have figured out what this Woodward relevation means, however. Neither side seems to be celebrating it -- it just seems to be confusing things even more, and raises some questions about why he didn't come forward earlier.
i was just saying that there is another journalist that is involved in this so called scandal

goto www.drudgereport.com there is more articles that are more in-depth. appearantly he wanted nothing to do with this mess
My bad -- I read more into your quote than you intended.

I'm not surprised that he wanted nothing to do with the investigation -- it's not a very fun position to be in for anyone involved.
i wish he would have been honest about it...seems to me that if you have a senior bush ad. official giving you the name of sombody with the words "i dont think we are doing somthing wrong about this or that anyone would be harmed" which is contrary to what others are saying that you should step up to the plate....right?

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funny how nobody names the source


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