Two TD offense

FootballFan · Post by **FootballFan** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 2:51 pm

Has anyone noticed that the ISU game was the 6th straight game in which the offense scored only two touchdowns!

Yes the cats did win on Sat. but only because of the Defenses effort in limiting ISU to only 13 pts.

This lack of offense output will catch up with the cats against the good teams in the league. They should have no problem scoring plenty of points against Weber, everyone has (but so had everyone agaisnst ISU)

Two TD's will not beat the GRiz, Nau, or EWU.

If the defense has a let down, the cats will get beat, I don't believe the offense can ever outscore any of the opponents left on the schedule. Something it has never done since Bailey has been the coordinator!

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 3:12 pm

FootballFan wrote:Has anyone noticed that the ISU game was the 6th straight game in which the offense scored only two touchdowns!

Yes the cats did win on Sat. but only because of the Defenses effort in limiting ISU to only 13 pts.

This lack of offense output will catch up with the cats against the good teams in the league. They should have no problem scoring plenty of points against Weber, everyone has (but so had everyone agaisnst ISU)

Two TD's will not beat the GRiz, Nau, or EWU.

If the defense has a let down, the cats will get beat, I don't believe the offense can ever outscore any of the opponents left on the schedule. Something it has never done since Bailey has been the coordinator!

Not that I won't take as many TD's as we can, but we have beaten the Griz by only scoring 2 or less TD's a game the last 2 years

NAU/EWU won't cut it though, you are right.

BelgradeBobcat · Post by **BelgradeBobcat** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 3:27 pm

That is really wierd. It doesn't seem to matter who we're playing-Adams State or Colorado State, domes or outside, grass or turf, hot or cold weather.

velochat · Post by **velochat** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 3:50 pm

The Cats will need a best effort to beat WSU this weekend, as the stats from the ISU give cause for concern. The Cats got just enough breaks but were dominated in the stats. We're fortunate to be 2-2 and 1-0, but unless the offense gets a lot better, it's going to be rocky season. If the Cats have a big win in them, it had better be this week.

catatac · Post by **catatac** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 9:38 am

velochat wrote:The Cats will need a best effort to beat WSU this weekend, as the stats from the ISU give cause for concern. The Cats got just enough breaks but were dominated in the stats. We're fortunate to be 2-2 and 1-0, but unless the offense gets a lot better, it's going to be rocky season. If the Cats have a big win in them, it had better be this week.

Actually IMO if we play as good as we did against ISU, which isn't our "best effort", we still get the W. The good news is that we have actually progressed and gotten better with each game - unlike some other teams. Also, keep in mind that Idaho State played their best defense of the year, by far, against us... per their coach. I look for us to score around 30 against Weber, which should be enough.

WYCAT · Post by **WYCAT** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 9:49 am

I would love to see 30 points on our side of the scoreboard. How long has it been since that happened? To get that we would have to have the defense and/or special teams put up about half as the offense hasen't even come close to 20 yet this year.

By the way, I read where Kramer said Mike Williams reminds him of Corey Smith at this point in his career. I hope that comes true - we really miss the big returns we got so many of last year. I will say though that both Williams and Roosevelt do not fumble. Smith was great but he did put the ball on the ground often (Cal Poly game last year!). Tradeoff?

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 10:14 am

WYCAT wrote:I would love to see 30 points on our side of the scoreboard. How long has it been since that happened? To get that we would have to have the defense and/or special teams put up about half as the offense hasen't even come close to 20 yet this year.

By the way, I read where Kramer said Mike Williams reminds him of Corey Smith at this point in his career. I hope that comes true - we really miss the big returns we got so many of last year. I will say though that both Williams and Roosevelt do not fumble. Smith was great but he did put the ball on the ground often (Cal Poly game last year!). Tradeoff?

The last 30 point game we put up was against Sac State last year I think? We put up around 50 or so I think. I too hope Mike Williams can fill Corey SMith's shoes in the return game. I love how Williams hits the holes aggressively. He is definately fearless pushing the ball HARD into the oncoming traffic that is for sure.

BozoneCat · Post by **BozoneCat** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 10:38 am

Williams does do all that, but I think he needs to learn how to juke some people - he has taken some of the hardest hits of the year, and many times! I just keep thinking about how sore he must be on Sundays...

catatac · Post by **catatac** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 1:47 pm

WYCAT wrote:I would love to see 30 points on our side of the scoreboard. How long has it been since that happened? To get that we would have to have the defense and/or special teams put up about half as the offense hasen't even come close to 20 yet this year.

By the way, I read where Kramer said Mike Williams reminds him of Corey Smith at this point in his career. I hope that comes true - we really miss the big returns we got so many of last year. I will say though that both Williams and Roosevelt do not fumble. Smith was great but he did put the ball on the ground often (Cal Poly game last year!). Tradeoff?

Idaho State had us reeeling for much of the game with their solid passing attack and our young secondary. Assuming our pass D continues to improve, and our solid front 7 keeps Chournos in check, we'll beat them in the possesion game and should be able to score a TD per quarter. Throw 1 field goal in there somewhere and look for the final to be 31 - 17 good guys...

Or... we play ugly and it comes down to a defensive brawl where we end up beating them 13 to 10.

WYCAT · Post by **WYCAT** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:05 am

I could live with either one but would love to see the first scenario. Our home fans need to see an offensive breakout game as much as the offense needs to have one.

BobcatBlood · Post by **BobcatBlood** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 8:06 am

I wish we would start the game acting like we are 10 points down with 2 minutes to play in the game. We score when we "have to" - why not just score often and early and THEN let our defense control the end of the game...

(I know, I know... we'd all grow our fingernails back and cardiologists would go out of business, BUT...)

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 8:32 am

BobcatBlood wrote:I wish we would start the game acting like we are 10 points down with 2 minutes to play in the game. We score when we "have to" - why not just score often and early and THEN let our defense control the end of the game...

(I know, I know... we'd all grow our fingernails back and cardiologists would go out of business, BUT...)

I agree, I think our team needs to go into the parking lot/field across from the stadium and actually play 1 quarter worth of scrimmage first to get them warmed up. The 2nd/3rd/4th quarters they seem to start revving up. I tell everyone else, if MSu can get a lead in the first quarter in any game, they have a DARN GOOD SHOT at winning it because they play so well in the 2nd half usually.

orsalak · Post by **orsalak** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 8:10 pm

I feel that we will have a big game this week. Each week we were one part short of putting together a great game. If our passing game was on our running wasn't and so on. Weber St. is poor this year so I feel we will put it all together this week. Let's hope

grizhatr · Post by **grizhatr** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 11:30 am

Since I am feeling very opinionated today, I think we need a new OC. And my friends I don't mean Orange County!

FootballFan · Post by **FootballFan** » Mon Oct 11, 2004 1:06 pm

MAKE THAT 7 GAMES IN A ROW WITH THE OFFENSE ONLY SCORING 2 TD'S!!!! Bailey needs to go, I read about all these reasons as to why the offense in inconsistent, but the only consistency over the past 4 years has been Bailey! Weber States's defense was giving up nearly 40 pts. a game! Since Bailey has been the OC, the offense has never been in the top half of the league in total or scoring offense. This year after 5 games they are last in both categories. From what I have heard he isn't well liked by many of the players, very moody and tempermental, kind of a bully as a coach. How many games would the cats have lost over the past 4 years if they weren't so solid on defense? Name the last time the Offense went out and won a high scoring game when the defense just didn't have it on that day? (20-30 pts. in only high scoring at MSU) I can't remember one.

Post by **kmax** » Mon Oct 11, 2004 1:17 pm

Sorry, but while the final result was only a two TD day for the offense I just can't say it was like the others. I really feel the offense turned a corner this week. Three miscues erased three probable scoring drives--for sure one TD. Without the bogus Holding call, Domineck gets the 50+ yard TD run. Without the Beal fumble we have another TD. Guinn doesn't slip in the endzone at the end of the first half and there is another possible TD. Nope, while the final stats show only two TD's by the offense, you cannot hang this one of Bailey.

Edit to add that I forgot about Travis overthrowing the long pass to Guinn that should have been a touchdown. That was actually a very good call--whomever called it--and worked to perfection as far as the reciever/db matchup.

WYCAT · Post by **WYCAT** » Mon Oct 11, 2004 1:23 pm

Never was, nor will I ever be, a Bailey fan but Saturday was not his fault. KMax, you forgot the 50+ yard bomb that Lulay overthrew to Guinn who was wide open. That should have been a score as well. Other than the usual handoff up the middle for minus 2 on 1st downs that he has a patent on, the problems Saturday were mostly either turnovers, penalties, or drops by or misfires to open receivers. Clean up the play and we easily put up 35 on WSU. Can't wait to see what happens against a much better D in PSU.

BobcatLionFan · Post by **BobcatLionFan** » Mon Oct 11, 2004 2:13 pm

I don't know if I buy the PSU as the best defense. They played Sac State (who hasn't scored on anyone) and shut out Western State (a low end Division II school that lost 56 - 0 to Colorado Mines and Pittsburg State 56 - 6). On the other hand they gave up 41 to Eastern Washington (with 430+ yards).

Weber on the other had played a killer schedule the first half. UTEP (Div I), Cal Davis (ranked 5-0 undefeated I-AA), NAU in Arizona, Montana, and Southern Utah (who has been tough against everyone). Then of course MSU. No wonder they have lost 5.

I think a good PSU defense, but MSU's might be a little better.

Just thinking blue and Gold.

FootballFan · Post by **FootballFan** » Mon Oct 11, 2004 2:18 pm

Wouda -Couda -Shouda! Weber is terrible on defense. Why is it everyone else scores a ton of points against the Webers, Idaho States, Adam States. One game here and there you can make excuses for. This is every week! That first half was as bad of an offense showing as I have seen for awhile, especially considering the great field position they continually had, and to be shut out! Are you kidding me!

Is everyone so starved and desperate for an adequate offense that you will settle for just glimpes all the time. You haven't seen a good offense from the cats in such a long time that you nothing to compare them too. They are at the half way of the season and their highest scoring output is 20 points!

grizhatr · Post by **grizhatr** » Mon Oct 11, 2004 2:23 pm

It seems that this year, Lulay is a little unfocused. Maybe I am completely off base, but I am wondering if he has a girlfriend here at MSU this year? I seem to remember hearing that the past few years, she was still in high school. Hell, look at Tiger Woods for example. He meets a woman, his priorities change. Could be the same for our red head.

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