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Post by briannell » Sat Jan 07, 2006 11:41 pm

hey George we'd like some more please. :D


Bush: Permanent Tax Cuts Will Help Economy

Friday, January 06, 2006



WASHINGTON — President Bush on Friday pushed Congress to make his tax cuts permanent in order to further stimulate the nation's economy, even as critics questioned the strength of new economic indicators.

"By cutting taxes on income, we help create jobs," Bush said in an address before the Chicago Board of Trade, declaring that "the American economy heads into 2006 with a full head of steam."

The tax cuts have helped spread wealth in the country, boosted investor's confidence and increased worker productivity, Bush said, but the country is in peril of losing that boost.

"There are a lot of people in Washington who don't believe in tax cuts. ... When you hear somebody say, 'Let's don't make the tax cuts permanent,' what they're telling the American worker and the American family is we're going to raise taxes on you," Bush said.

"To keep this economy going, to keep the entrepreneurial spirit alive, to make sure that the United States of America is the most productive nation in the world, the United States Congress must make the tax cuts permanent."

Bush and his Cabinet began an economic offensive Friday, touting lower jobless numbers and other indicators. Vice President Dick Cheney toured a Harley-Davidson motorcycle plant in Kansas City, Mo., and more than a dozen other officials were set to give speeches around the country in pushing efforts to better prepare Americans for the changing marketplace.

In Chicago, Bush also called for expanding health savings accounts, continued vigilance against so-called "junk lawsuits," and education reforms for both the young and those already working. He also advocated the expansion of global free trade.

Bush said he believed gaps in education between advantaged and disadvantaged were decreasing because of new accountability standards he pushed for in his No Child Left Behind Act, and called on educators not to remove those reforms as a result of the "bigotry of low expectations."

Although new labor numbers released Friday didn't meet forecasts, administration officials are saying that the president isn't getting the credit he deserves on the economy. The Labor Department on Friday reported a gain of 108,000 jobs in December, and the unemployment rate fell to 4.9 percent. But that job growth slowed to about half of what it was in November due to a big hiring spurt when about 305,000 jobs were created.

"These are strong numbers," said White House spokesman Trent Duffy. He said the November and December figures signaled the economy was adding more than 200,000 jobs a month. "It's very healthy job creation."

Economists were expecting numbers to double what the Labor Department reported, and organized labor says the numbers are misleading. They say the economy lost two-thirds of the 4.5 million jobs created since May 2003, and the unemployment rate doesn't show the number of people who are working part-time or have given up looking for work.

Democrats are specifically criticizing high prescription drug costs and confusion about the new Medicare prescription drug plan, high heating bills, displaced workers in the Gulf Coast and rising federal deficits.

Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada said he was skeptical of the new economic data.

"Job creation remains anemic, millions of Americans still struggle to find a job and wages continue to fall farther and farther behind," Reid said. "We need to create an economy that works for all Americans."

Sen. Charles Schumer of New York said rising the rising cost of health care, college tuition and energy are squeezing the middle class.

"For the administration to be out there saying things are great shows just how out of touch they are with the average American," Schumer said.

But Rep. David Dreier, R-Calif., praising the new economic data.

"This good economic news can easily be traced back to May 2003, when investment-oriented tax relief was signed into law. ... Our agenda for 2006 should be clear: Keep in place the tax relief that got this economy rolling again, and build on its success," Dreier said in a statement.

Labor Secretary Elaine Chao said the jobless numbers are a strong indicator of an improving economy, especially compared with European countries that see their unemployment rates around 10 percent and above.

The problem, she said, is that domestic jobs, while available, are increasingly technical.

"We are seeing the creation of new jobs, but the new jobs that are being created require more skills and higher educational levels," Chao told FOX News on Friday. That's where, she said, the president's education and economic agenda comes in.

Chao also said job seekers can call a national job line — 1-877-USA-JOBS — to find local Labor Department resource offices.

Bush's poll numbers for handling the economy are up a bit since gasoline prices have fallen, according to AP-Ipsos polling.

McClellan also noted that consumer confidence is up, home-ownership rates continue to rise, including among minorities, after-tax incomes are rising, and manufacturing continues to grow. The Bush team also points to a third-quarter growth rate of 4.3 percent — the highest since early 2004.

Bush's choice of Chicago focused attention on the manufacturing-intense Midwest, which despite some recent improvements still has one of nation's weakest regional economies. The U.S. automobile industry has been hammered and manufacturing jobs continue to be lost, despite gains elsewhere.

Other scheduled events included Treasury Secretary John Snow, who was to speak at the New York Stock Exchange; Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez in Louisville, Ky.; Labor Secretary Elaine Chao in Baltimore; and Energy Secretary Sam Bodman in Pittsburgh.

FOX News' Wendell Goler, Greg Simmons and The Associated Press contributed to this report.


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Post by BWahlberg » Sun Jan 08, 2006 7:36 pm

Well I guess it will create more jobs - more seniors working to pay for their medication drugs and climbing doctor bills, since the gov't won't help them. And more teens dropping out of school and getting minimum-wage jobs b/c their education system is crap and no one cares about them.

For real though, why don't instead of cutting taxes we look at raising the minimum wage and invest more in America by stopping outsourcing.

I would think the economy would be INCREDIBLE if, say the minimum wage is raised by $2.00 and the US government and US major corporations actually stop outsourcing and spend money on people and goods within the USA.

Also what about caring about education, smarter kids, smarter workforce, better country.

But I guess investing in America and our future is just too liberal huh?



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Post by ChiOCat » Mon Jan 09, 2006 8:56 am

How bout we actually spend the tax money on education, rather than $5M for a walking bridge in Omaha, NE. I know $5Million is a drop in the bucket, but I also know that if they give it to Omaha, they are giving that or more to most major cities in the country for some BS thing that people should be raising money for if they want it.

Maybe healthcare wouldn't cost so much if there were a limit on how rich people could get from a malpractice lawsuit? Maybe we wouldn't have to worry about OB's dropping back to just gynecologyists then. And there would be anough technicians to read mamograms.

Maybe then the government could focus on government things, not private things? Maybe then we'd have the money to pay more for education.

Maybe I shouldn't post first thing in the morning after a much interupted night sleep :wink:
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Post by Stevicat » Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:34 am

We need to have a government sponsored and controlled healthcare system like Canada and Cuba. I hear it works very well.

Also, I thought the education system in the US was locally funded through property taxes. When did the Federal government take over??



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Post by BWahlberg » Mon Jan 09, 2006 4:56 pm

No Child Left Behind governs it, so there's obviously some level of federal involvement.

Talking about building bridges, what about the "bridge to nowhere" in Alaska, wasn't that some horrid cost?



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Post by briannell » Mon Jan 09, 2006 5:08 pm

Talking about building bridges, what about the "bridge to nowhere" in Alaska, wasn't that some horrid cost?



here's another one for you, when we were in Boston 5 years ago they were still having "Big Dig" right in the middle of everything. i heard this project ran over a billion dollars, and still wasn't finished :shock:


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Post by ChiOCat » Mon Jan 09, 2006 5:09 pm

NCLB has been so hard on rural schools! I know Fairview is struggling to have the "experts" they are required to have for all the different subjects.


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Post by BWahlberg » Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:57 pm

Every Child Left Behind has some serious flaws that are being ignored.

- Rural and Urban schools suffer greatly.

- English as a 2nd Language kids have to take the standardized tests too, so of course they probably will not understand the tests & answers as well.

- Schools, teachers and students are also hurt incredibly in neighborhoods that have below-average income levels in that neighborhood.

- Also there is a "kick-back" that schools get when they adhere to NCLB, or score higher than expected. So the teachers should get that bonus right? They don't, the funds go to the principal. Not saying the principal doesn't do their job well, but isn't it mainly the teachers that get the results???



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Post by Stevicat » Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:00 am

Re/Max Griz wrote:Every Child Left Behind has some serious flaws that are being ignored.

- Rural and Urban schools suffer greatly.

- English as a 2nd Language kids have to take the standardized tests too, so of course they probably will not understand the tests & answers as well.

- Schools, teachers and students are also hurt incredibly in neighborhoods that have below-average income levels in that neighborhood.

- Also there is a "kick-back" that schools get when they adhere to NCLB, or score higher than expected. So the teachers should get that bonus right? They don't, the funds go to the principal. Not saying the principal doesn't do their job well, but isn't it mainly the teachers that get the results???
Why do you call it Every Child Left Behind?

How exaclty do Rural and Urban schools suffer greatly? And what is there besides Rural and Urban?

Should we have the standardized tests in several languages? Should we not encourage these students to learn english so they can successfully function in our country?

Should we have lower standards and expectations for those in below average income level neighborhoods? Would that make it easier for them?

Does the principal really get the bonus as part of his income?



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Post by Bleedinbluengold » Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:41 am

Is Fairview in Richland or Roosevelt? In any case, why not close Fairview and send all the kids to Sidney? I know this next statement will bring a lot of venom (maybe the last one too), BUT, most of our rural schools should close, and be consolidated. This would cut administrative costs, and make our overall State educational system better and more efficient.

In regards to Federal involvement in education and healthcare. Education and healthcare have been going downhill ever since the Federal government got involved. The Constitution says, "promote the general Welfare", NOT, "PROVIDE FOR." Unfortunately, we have no one to blame but ourselves for letting the Feds usurp authority in areas that were expressly granted to the States in the first place. [what's that clicking I hear on my DSL line?]


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Post by Grizlaw » Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:02 am

Stevicat wrote:How exaclty do Rural and Urban schools suffer greatly? And what is there besides Rural and Urban?
I'm not particularly well-informed about NCLB, so I'm not going to wade too far into this debate, but just to address this question -- when people talk about "urban" schools, they're referring to inner-city schools. When people talk about "rural," they're talking about schools in farming areas. Are there not many other types of places? Billings is not rural, but it's certainly not urban. Neither is Westchester County here in New York.


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Post by Stevicat » Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:32 am

Here is some info on what NCLB is doing for the US and Montana and it addresses many of the criticisms that Remax has.

http://www.ed.gov/about/overview/budget ... ontana.pdf



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Post by ChiOCat » Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:23 pm

Fairview is in Richland County.

I don't think that rural schools need to close, I just think that they have to be treated differently than large schools. There are two VERY small schools in Fortine and Trego Montana. They have combined 1 & 2, combined 3 & 4, etc and after 8th grade they are bussed into Eureka for high school. All of the kids that joined us in high school were just as prepared as those of us that had gone k-8 in the larger Eureka school.


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Post by Bleedinbluengold » Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:06 am

Why not combine the schools and save on the administrative and maintenance costs required to keep a bunch of tiny schools running? The kids would still be educated to a high degree, would they not?


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Post by bozbobcat » Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:23 am

I think small schools have 2 things that towns want to keep: town pride and paying jobs. Schools may cost money for operation and maintenance, but they bring desperately needed jobs to small towns. It's also a source of town pride to have a school and a team to root for in your own town. Consolidation has worked, however. A school district in Montana, NorthStar, is a result of 4 towns being consolidated into 1 school: Kremlin, Gildford, Rudyard, and Hingham. I guess what I want to say is that the small schools bring jobs and pride to sometimes dying small towns.


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Post by Ponycat » Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:28 am

bozbobcat wrote:I think small schools have 2 things that towns want to keep: town pride and paying jobs. Schools may cost money for operation and maintenance, but they bring desperately needed jobs to small towns. It's also a source of town pride to have a school and a team to root for in your own town. Consolidation has worked, however. A school district in Montana, NorthStar, is a result of 4 towns being consolidated into 1 school: Kremlin, Gildford, Rudyard, and Hingham. I guess what I want to say is that the small schools bring jobs and pride to sometimes dying small towns.
Most schools that consolidate endup keeping one type of school. One town usually gets the grade school and the other the high school.


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Post by Bleedinbluengold » Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:38 am

bozbob - the key word, I think, is "dying." I totally agree with your reasons as to why rural schools don't close. My feeling is that they are going to close eventually, and you might as well close them on your terms, and not the school district's or some other governmental body's.


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Post by grizzh8r » Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:03 pm

From my experience, the education recieved at Rural schools is better than that at bigger schools. Reason? Student to teacher ratios are MUCH lower.


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Post by SonomaCat » Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:23 pm

I kinda have to sorta disagree on the "smaller is better" thing. I think the smaller schools are probably better for kids who need more one on one time (probably stellar for special ed kids who get their own private full time teacher, etc.), but in my school in particular (very small school in Central Montana), the kids who were somewhat advanced really suffered.

We simply couldn't attract and retain quality teachers (as the pay sucked as compared to larger schools and the rural location isn't often a huge draw for good young teachers). As a result, our math teacher was pathetic, and many of the other teachers were severely lacking as well. I essentially started college taking Math 181 without ever having even been exposed to Trig (even though I took the most advanced math classes my school offered). I had to learn a year's worth of high school trig from a buddy of mine (who went to a AA school that had good teachers) before my first 181 exam ... not fun.

So yes, you do get individual attention, and I think the small schools are great in terms of truly leaving no kid behind. Almost everybody participates in almost everything, and nobody falls through the cracks. The dropout rates are very low (somewhat due to the fact that there are few alternatives to staying in school in small towns, and there isn't a critical mass of losers to offer the peer support necessary to make a decision that poor). However, in terms of having access to AP classes, great teachers, and challenging the kids with the most potential, oftentimes small schools fall woefully short.

My school also didn't offer a foreign language class (too expensive to hire one for that few students), but the state allowed us to substitute vocational agriculture for the language requirement. So I can weld (not vital to my current job), but I can't speak another language (would be very nice for my current job).
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Post by rtb » Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:25 pm

grizzh8r wrote:From my experience, the education recieved at Rural schools is better than that at bigger schools. Reason? Student to teacher ratios are MUCH lower.
I think the exact opposite when it comes to quality. I think some of the larger school offer much more challenge and opportunity for students that result in a better overall education. However when the schools get too large and overcrowded the kids suffer. This can be debated back and forth as there are good arguments on both sides and I have seen amazing students come from tiny schools and from huge schools, but I think for the average student the education is better in a larger school.



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