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Post by briannell » Sun Jan 22, 2006 7:48 pm

okay a break from football and kids to read the news online. this should be a fun one to watch. :D

Countries Warn Military Action as Iran Nuke Standoff Continues

Saturday, January 21, 2006



JERUSALEM — Israel's defense minister hinted Saturday that the Jewish state is preparing for military action to stop Iran's nuclear program, but said international diplomacy must be the first course of action.

"Israel will not be able to accept an Iranian nuclear capability and it must have the capability to defend itself, with all that that implies, and this we are preparing," Shaul Mofaz said.

His comments at an academic conference stopped short of overtly threatening a military strike but were likely to add to growing tensions with Iran.

Germany's defense minister said in an interview published Saturday that he is hopeful of a diplomatic solution to the impasse over Iran's nuclear program, but argued that "all options" should remain open.

Asked by the Bild am Sonntag weekly whether the threat of a military solution should remain in place, Franz Josef Jung was quoted as responding: "Yes, we need all options."

French President Jacques Chirac said Thursday that France could respond with nuclear weapons against any state-sponsored terrorist attack.

Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi said Saturday that Chirac's threats reflect the true intentions of nuclear nations, the official Islamic Republic News Agency reported.

"The French president uncovered the covert intentions of nuclear powers in using this lever (nuclear weapons) to determine political games," IRNA quoted Asefi as saying.

Israel long has identified Iran as its biggest threat and accuses Tehran of pursuing nuclear weapons. Iran says its atomic program is peaceful.

Iran broke U.N. seals at a uranium enrichment plant Jan. 10 and said it was resuming nuclear research after a 2 1/2-year freeze. Germany, France and Britain said two days later that talks aimed at halting Iran's nuclear progress were at a dead end and called for Iran's referral to the U.N. Security Council.

The International Atomic Energy Agency, the U.N. nuclear watchdog, will meet Feb. 2 to discuss possible referral.

Israel's Mofaz said sanctions and international oversight of Iran's nuclear program stood as the "correct policy at this time."

In Germany, Jung called himself "confident that there will be a diplomatic solution in the case of Iran."

Israeli leaders have also repeatedly said they hope the crisis can be resolved through diplomacy, and they said any military action would have to be part of an international effort. They have denied having plans for a unilateral preventive strike.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has said Tehran might still agree to Moscow's offer to move its uranium enrichment program to Russia, a step backed by the United States and Europeans as a way to resolve the deadlock.

Israel's concerns about Iran have grown since the election of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who said last year that Israel should be "wiped off the map."

On Friday, Iran's Students News Agency reported Friday that Central Bank governor Ebrahim Sheibani said Iran had begun moving its foreign currency reserves from European banks and transferring them to an undisclosed location as protection against possible U.N. sanctions.

Sheibani backed away Saturday from his statement that the transfers were already underway, and Iran's Central Bank said there had been no change in its currency policy.

Estimates put Iranian funds in Europe at as much as $50 billion.


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Post by iaafan » Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:45 am

Glad you brought this up. Hope Israel learned from our mistakes from a few years ago and uses a little more diplomacy that the U.S. did in Iraq. If not, here's an effective reminder:

http://theunitedamerican.blogs.com/Movi ... /2000.html



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Post by Hell's Bells » Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:52 am

iaafan wrote:Glad you brought this up. Hope Israel learned from our mistakes from a few years ago and uses a little more diplomacy that the U.S. did in Iraq. If not, here's an effective reminder:

http://theunitedamerican.blogs.com/Movi ... /2000.html
hey we "meaning the rest of the clear thinking world" are using deplomacy right now to begin with. although 1aa seriously do you think that Iran would try to be dipolmatic to a country they want to blow off of the face of the earth?


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Post by iaafan » Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:08 am

I know we's done been usin' deplomacy, but we's gots to start usin' diplomacy, dad-gum-it!!! I-say, I-say diplomacy son! :lol: Now git back out there and try 'er agin.



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Post by SonomaCat » Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:11 am

iaafan wrote:I know we's done been usin' deplomacy, but we's gots to start usin' diplomacy, dad-gum-it!!! I-say, I-say diplomacy son! :lol: Now git back out there and try 'er agin.
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Post by Hell's Bells » Mon Jan 23, 2006 12:02 pm

iaafan wrote:I know we's done been usin' deplomacy, but we's gots to start usin' diplomacy, dad-gum-it!!! I-say, I-say diplomacy son! :lol: Now git back out there and try 'er agin.
how long have Britin, france, and ect been talking to iran about their Nuke plan, at least 3 years (?). if that does not qualify i dont know what does. Take your anti war blinders off


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Post by iaafan » Mon Jan 23, 2006 12:42 pm

Hell's Bells wrote:
iaafan wrote:I know we's done been usin' deplomacy, but we's gots to start usin' diplomacy, dad-gum-it!!! I-say, I-say diplomacy son! :lol: Now git back out there and try 'er agin.
how long have Britin, france, and ect been talking to iran about their Nuke plan, at least 3 years (?). if that does not qualify i dont know what does. Take your anti war blinders off
What does taking those blinders off entail? If it's going to war with Iran, then I think I'll leave them on. I don't want another Iraq, do you? Of course, Iran, unlike Iraq, may actually be doing something with WMDs. How about we compromise and just make sure someone isn't lying to us again before anyone jumps the gun?



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Post by briannell » Mon Jan 23, 2006 12:54 pm

I for one don't want to deal with Iran at this point - I think Isreal can handle themselves - trust me coming from a jewish family, pissed off Jews are not fun to deal with. by the way it's the WOMEN that will beat your A$$ down, so now that Sharon is out of it, may be they'll get a female in power - just to really scare Iran :D or at least it would work to make the muslim countries surrounding Isreal go really ape. Could you imagine these muslim countries knowing a woman was in power of a nuclear capable nation and PMS hits her 4-5 days a month :shock: May be they'd start to behave better towards Isreal.


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Post by Hell's Bells » Mon Jan 23, 2006 1:10 pm

iaafan wrote:
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iaafan wrote:I know we's done been usin' deplomacy, but we's gots to start usin' diplomacy, dad-gum-it!!! I-say, I-say diplomacy son! :lol: Now git back out there and try 'er agin.
how long have Britin, france, and ect been talking to iran about their Nuke plan, at least 3 years (?). if that does not qualify i dont know what does. Take your anti war blinders off
What does taking those blinders off entail? If it's going to war with Iran, then I think I'll leave them on. I don't want another Iraq, do you? Of course, Iran, unlike Iraq, may actually be doing something with WMDs. How about we compromise and just make sure someone isn't lying to us again before anyone jumps the gun?
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do you really think that a nuked up iran would be safe for the mid east? Iran has stated previously that they want irsael wiped off the face of the earth. and how do you think they are going to do that when they get their first atomic bomb? Pee-shooters?!?! :wink:

i totally understand your apprehension on the intelligence...we can debate it but i am to tired to do so *havnt slept since 8 last night...combination of working graveyard with early classes today* . My only question to you would be why would Iran want UN inspectors and related equipment out of that reactor? will it lead to somthing much worse then the iraq war? who knows. will it be worth it...yes it will..do i like the prospect of another war this time with iran...no...but do i like the thought of another cold war this time with a nation with half the restraint of a soviet russia? no


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Post by grizgirl » Mon Jan 23, 2006 2:10 pm

Hell's Bells wrote:
iaafan wrote:
Hell's Bells wrote:
iaafan wrote:I know we's done been usin' deplomacy, but we's gots to start usin' diplomacy, dad-gum-it!!! I-say, I-say diplomacy son! :lol: Now git back out there and try 'er agin.
how long have Britin, france, and ect been talking to iran about their Nuke plan, at least 3 years (?). if that does not qualify i dont know what does. Take your anti war blinders off
What does taking those blinders off entail? If it's going to war with Iran, then I think I'll leave them on. I don't want another Iraq, do you? Of course, Iran, unlike Iraq, may actually be doing something with WMDs. How about we compromise and just make sure someone isn't lying to us again before anyone jumps the gun?
1aafan
do you really think that a nuked up iran would be safe for the mid east? Iran has stated previously that they want irsael wiped off the face of the earth. and how do you think they are going to do that when they get their first atomic bomb? Pee-shooters?!?! :wink:

i totally understand your apprehension on the intelligence...we can debate it but i am to tired to do so *havnt slept since 8 last night...combination of working graveyard with early classes today* . My only question to you would be why would Iran want UN inspectors and related equipment out of that reactor? will it lead to somthing much worse then the iraq war? who knows. will it be worth it...yes it will..do i like the prospect of another war this time with iran...no...but do i like the thought of another cold war this time with a nation with half the restraint of a soviet russia? no
No one is saying a nuked up Iran is safe for the mid-east, that is why we should be doing everything we can diplomatically to keep that from happening and not relying on cooked up intel. Are you saying we should get involved with Israel in going to war with Iran? Part of your response seems to be lending itself to negotiating to get the 'equipment out of that reactor' so I'm not sure of your stance. I'm saying we need to negotiate, use diplomacy. Anything but another unjustified war.
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Post by BWahlberg » Mon Jan 23, 2006 2:25 pm

This is a pure speculation but I see a trend here; I suppose if Iran continues we'll invade them too within the next 2 years.

I can't help but wonder, if Somalia began developing nuclear weapons if we'd think about invading. Probably not, rather rely on UN pressure, b/c there is hardly any oil/economic export coming out of that country.

What amazes me is how much as a nation we've handicapped ourselfs with oil, esp from the middle east. Friends, family members, US soldiers and citizens are dying every week because of this. I would like to see a push towards coal to oil coversion plants, recently our Governor said that we've got enough coal in Montana alone to provide enough gas and oil to America for 40 years. And a bigger push from congress/the president to support hybrid and fuel effiecent cars. China's already moving towards this, if we don't start acting on it, we'll be buying oil from them in mass down the road as well.

Can you imagine if congress passed an act that provided MASS funding to General Motors to create super hybrid cars, or to begin building alternate fuel cars? Not only would we be creating jobs in our country, and supporting American auto companies, but we'd also be protecting our environment, and having to stop sending our troops overseas to protect our oilfields.



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Post by briannell » Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:06 pm

Rice says time for talking with Iran is over
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WASHINGTON - U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said on Monday there was strong international consensus against Iran's nuclear plans and time had run out for talking to Tehran.

With Italy's foreign minister at her side, Rice said the next step must be to refer Iran to the U.N. Security Council. The United States believes Iran is building a nuclear bomb but Iran says its nuclear program is for peaceful, energy purposes.

"The referral absolutely has to be made," Rice told reporters.

"Iran must know that there is a firm international consensus against the activities that Iran is currently engaged in. We would all like to solve this diplomatically and we are all committed to doing so but Iran must recognize the concerns of the international community and has not done so."

Iran on Sunday urged the European Union to return to negotiations with Tehran on its nuclear program, saying talks were the only way to defuse its nuclear standoff with the West.

Rice said the time for talking was over and European discussions had come to a "dead end" because of Iran's actions. "I don't see much room for further discussion in any format," said Rice.

Asked whether the United States, which has about 140,000 troops in Iraq, could afford to take military action against Iran, Rice said the focus was on diplomacy but reiterated that no options were off the table.

"We have committed to a diplomatic course," said Rice, adding: "The president takes no options off the table."

The United States and the European Union want the International Atomic Energy Agency, at an emergency board meeting on February 2, to refer Iran to the Security Council for pressure including possible sanctions.

Israel's Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz said over the weekend that Israel was preparing to protect itself if international diplomatic efforts failed to convince Iran to give up its nuclear program.

Italy's Foreign Minister Gianfranco Fini urged Israel to focus on diplomatic and not military measures against Tehran.

"We want to stress to our Israeli friends that the only way to guarantee peace and security is the diplomatic route," he said.

Fini said Italy, one of Iran's biggest trading partners in Europe, made it very clear to Iran that it must cooperate.

"The international community must be united and very resolved. It is now absolutely necessary to refer the case to the Security Council," he said.

He said the Iranian president's "unacceptable tone" made action even more urgent but stressed military action was not an option.


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Post by BWahlberg » Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:15 pm

Lets just invade all of the mideast, I mean, if they won't do everything we tell them to, lets just invade. :roll:



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Post by SonomaCat » Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:24 pm

Re/Max Griz wrote:Lets just invade all of the mideast, I mean, if they won't do everything we tell them to, lets just invade. :roll:
Well, if we decide to invade Iran, we might have to go down to the military rental shop and see if we can rent a couple hundred thousand troops for a couple years, because it doesn't sound like a lot of people are lining up to join the military right now. What country has the best mercenaries these days, and what is the going rate?



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Post by bozbobcat » Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:30 pm

If there is to be military action, it would have to be a very broad-based coalition. Britain and France would go along with the U.S. on this one, I bet, along with many other allies. But if troop numbers are going to be a problem, make sure that China is one of these allies.


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Post by SonomaCat » Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:33 pm

bozbobcat wrote:If there is to be military action, it would have to be a very broad-based coalition. Britain and France would go along with the U.S. on this one, I bet, along with many other allies. But if troop numbers are going to be a problem, make sure that China is one of these allies.
Hmmmm ... maybe if Iran is a big enough pain in the ass, they could end up being the problem child that unites the rest of the world for the first time. China as an ally? It's a lot better than having them as an enemy.



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Post by iaafan » Tue Jan 24, 2006 11:49 am

You mean wait until everyone is united against Iran instead of attacking with Britain (Honduras, Aruba, and Morocco). :lol: Hmm, novel idea. “We’ve landed on the moon!”



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Post by Hell's Bells » Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:27 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:
bozbobcat wrote:If there is to be military action, it would have to be a very broad-based coalition. Britain and France would go along with the U.S. on this one, I bet, along with many other allies. But if troop numbers are going to be a problem, make sure that China is one of these allies.
Hmmmm ... maybe if Iran is a big enough pain in the ass, they could end up being the problem child that unites the rest of the world for the first time. China as an ally? It's a lot better than having them as an enemy.
with china as a ally who needs an enimy :wink:


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Post by BWahlberg » Tue Jan 24, 2006 1:08 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:
Re/Max Griz wrote:Lets just invade all of the mideast, I mean, if they won't do everything we tell them to, lets just invade. :roll:
Well, if we decide to invade Iran, we might have to go down to the military rental shop and see if we can rent a couple hundred thousand troops for a couple years, because it doesn't sound like a lot of people are lining up to join the military right now. What country has the best mercenaries these days, and what is the going rate?
Funny quote from The Daily Show, "If Bush does decide to invade Iran then he will be limited to choosing from only two armies that are left. The Salvation Army, and the Kiss Army."

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Post by SonomaCat » Tue Jan 24, 2006 1:17 pm

Hell's Bells wrote:
Bay Area Cat wrote:
bozbobcat wrote:If there is to be military action, it would have to be a very broad-based coalition. Britain and France would go along with the U.S. on this one, I bet, along with many other allies. But if troop numbers are going to be a problem, make sure that China is one of these allies.
Hmmmm ... maybe if Iran is a big enough pain in the ass, they could end up being the problem child that unites the rest of the world for the first time. China as an ally? It's a lot better than having them as an enemy.
with china as a ally who needs an enimy :wink:
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