State of the Union rumor

BWahlberg · Post by **BWahlberg** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:47 pm

Yeah, Bush is actually going to set fire to the constitution tonight, should be something "special."

All joking aside, as a Democrat, or more importantly as a Progressive, today, for me is a very dark day. The checks and balances of the government is moving in a direction of non-existence. I'll bet that Alito and Roberts, if they have to make a choice, would think the NSA spying without a warrant is no big deal.

I am deeply concerned about where this country could be heading. I know its a great day if you're a Republican, your party now controls all 3 branches, but hopefully just until the next elections. 1/2 (roughly) of America is now all but silenced. The 1/2 that voted for Gore and then Kerry, and the Democrat party platform.

I'm down today, but the sun will come up tomorrow and I'll still own all of my possessions, and still have my family and career. I'm also calling the state Democratic party and volunteering, if I can help the "rebuilding" by getting Burns out of the office, well thats a good step, and I'm going to help as much as I can.

Sorry guys, just had to vent a little, I know many of you disagree with this, but I thought I'd make my frustrations public.

Post by **rtb** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:55 pm

Here is my take. I am disenchanted with Washington in general. I don't blame it on the Republicans or the Democrats, they are both at fault for the current system. Basically career politicians have little or no interest in making common sense decisions, they are focused on party lines and getting re-elected so they can keep the circus of politics going.

Just my take!

ChiOCat · Post by **ChiOCat** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:58 pm

Even though I am conservative, I am not pleased with the Republican party. I am currently reading "How the Irish Saved Civilazation" and am still at the begining, which talks about the fall of Rome. I can't help but wonder if we are nearing the teatering point.

briannell · Post by **briannell** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:10 pm

rtb - good post couldn't have said it better.

Stevicat · Post by **Stevicat** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:12 pm

Re/Max Griz wrote:Yeah, Bush is actually going to set fire to the constitution tonight, should be something "special."

All joking aside, as a Democrat, or more importantly as a Progressive, today, for me is a very dark day. The checks and balances of the government is moving in a direction of non-existence. I'll bet that Alito and Roberts, if they have to make a choice, would think the NSA spying without a warrant is no big deal.

I am deeply concerned about where this country could be heading. I know its a great day if you're a Republican, your party now controls all 3 branches, but hopefully just until the next elections. 1/2 (roughly) of America is now all but silenced. The 1/2 that voted for Gore and then Kerry, and the Democrat party platform.

I'm down today, but the sun will come up tomorrow and I'll still own all of my possessions, and still have my family and career. I'm also calling the state Democratic party and volunteering, if I can help the "rebuilding" by getting Burns out of the office, well thats a good step, and I'm going to help as much as I can.

Sorry guys, just had to vent a little, I know many of you disagree with this, but I thought I'd make my frustrations public.

What does being a "Progressive" mean?

Ponycat · Post by **Ponycat** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:44 pm

Stevicat wrote:
Re/Max Griz wrote:Yeah, Bush is actually going to set fire to the constitution tonight, should be something "special."

All joking aside, as a Democrat, or more importantly as a Progressive, today, for me is a very dark day. The checks and balances of the government is moving in a direction of non-existence. I'll bet that Alito and Roberts, if they have to make a choice, would think the NSA spying without a warrant is no big deal.

I am deeply concerned about where this country could be heading. I know its a great day if you're a Republican, your party now controls all 3 branches, but hopefully just until the next elections. 1/2 (roughly) of America is now all but silenced. The 1/2 that voted for Gore and then Kerry, and the Democrat party platform.

I'm down today, but the sun will come up tomorrow and I'll still own all of my possessions, and still have my family and career. I'm also calling the state Democratic party and volunteering, if I can help the "rebuilding" by getting Burns out of the office, well thats a good step, and I'm going to help as much as I can.

Sorry guys, just had to vent a little, I know many of you disagree with this, but I thought I'd make my frustrations public.
What does being a "Progressive" mean?

Someone who wants government in every part of our life EXCEPT telephones.

BWahlberg · Post by **BWahlberg** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:49 pm

ha, good one Ponycat.

Guess you could call it the lighter side of saying liberal.

BobCatFan · Post by **BobCatFan** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:51 pm

How would the Democrates be acting if a real Republican was in the White House. Bush is not a Republican. I can not figure him out. He is more liberal then Clinton, but he does have some guts to take on the terrorist and he stands up for American interests. I will give him credit for that.

BWahlberg · Post by **BWahlberg** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:54 pm

BobCatFan wrote:How would the Democrates be acting if a real Republican was in the White House. Bush is not a Republican. I can not figure him out. He is more liberal then Clinton, but he does have some guts to take on the terrorist and he stands up for American interests. I will give him credit for that.

What?!?!

Not more liberal.

And with the exception of booting the Taliban outside of Afghanistan what has he done to "take on" the terrorists? Has he caught/killed the guy who planned the 9/11 attacks yet? The whole damn reason why there's a "war on terrorism"?!??!?

Grizlaw · Post by **Grizlaw** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:58 pm

The words "liberal" and "conservative" have become so jumbled, neither term actually means what they are supposed to mean anymore.

I have a lot to say about this, because I think it actually has a lot to do with what is hurting us as a country today (well not that the terms are jumbled, but the underlying cause), but I have a lot of work to do right now, and I've got about an hour and a half to do it if I want to get home and watch State of the Union, so I can't write a novel right now. Maybe I'll knock off a couple glasses of Scotch during the address, and write one of my "the world according to GL" posts afterward.

--GL

Post by **rtb** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:58 pm

Re/Max Griz wrote:Has he caught/killed the guy who planned the 9/11 attacks yet? The whole damn reason why there's a "war on terrorism"?!??!?

I am pretty sure the the planner behind the 9/11 attacks or at least the person who was the main contact for the hijackers was recently killed in a missle strike. I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure that is the case.

BWahlberg · Post by **BWahlberg** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:59 pm

rtb wrote:
Re/Max Griz wrote:Has he caught/killed the guy who planned the 9/11 attacks yet? The whole damn reason why there's a "war on terrorism"?!??!?
I am pretty sure the the planner behind the 9/11 attacks or at least the person who was the main contact for the hijackers was recently killed in a missle strike. I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure that is the case.

Was that the one in Pakistan? I thought they said that he wasn't there.

Anyways I guess I'll rephrase the question. Have we caught or killed Osama Bin Laden yet?

Stevicat · Post by **Stevicat** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:01 pm

Re/Max Griz wrote:
rtb wrote:
Re/Max Griz wrote:Has he caught/killed the guy who planned the 9/11 attacks yet? The whole damn reason why there's a "war on terrorism"?!??!?
I am pretty sure the the planner behind the 9/11 attacks or at least the person who was the main contact for the hijackers was recently killed in a missle strike. I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure that is the case.
Was that the one in Pakistan? I thought they said that he wasn't there.

Anyways I guess I'll rephrase the question. Have we caught or killed Osama Bin Laden yet?

No and there has not been any terrorist attacks in the US either.

BWahlberg · Post by **BWahlberg** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:02 pm

There were hardly any before 9/11 either...

Stevicat · Post by **Stevicat** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:03 pm

Re/Max Griz wrote:There were hardly any before 9/11 either...

Hardly??? Wow.

BWahlberg · Post by **BWahlberg** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:09 pm

In the US, there was the previous world trade bombing, but it seems most were overseas, where there have been a constant stream of terrorist attacks since 9/11.

Found this site with Al Qaeda attacks

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0884893.html

There were more after 9/11

Post by **SonomaCat** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:11 pm

Terrorism has increased dramatically in the last six or so years ... but is that due to Bush's policies, or due to things beyond our control?

BWahlberg · Post by **BWahlberg** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:17 pm

Definatley one thing someone could be sure of, good point BAC

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One could easily say either way. Looking at the numbers, 9/11 happens, then we declare "war on terror" and terroist attacks go up, sharply. It seems to me that we're not winning or losing in this "war" just like we're not winning or losing in the "war on drugs."

Eastcoastgriz · Post by **Eastcoastgriz** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:52 am

Re/Max Griz wrote:In the US, there was the previous world trade bombing, but it seems most were overseas, where there have been a constant stream of terrorist attacks since 9/11.

Found this site with Al Qaeda attacks

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0884893.html

There were more after 9/11

The one thing there hasnt been, is any attack on US soil or any US facility outside the Middle East.

Eastcoastgriz · Post by **Eastcoastgriz** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:56 am

Re/Max Griz wrote:There were hardly any before 9/11 either...

How about the attacks on US Embassies or other US military installations?

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