Mini Brawl after Griz / PSU game

[WYOBISONMAN]

Are you guys starting to Hockey in the Big Sky?

[PapaG]

Krysko looks out of control in those photos. What the heck is he trying to prove there?

I just lost A LOT of respect for him. He seems like the stereotypical poor loser.

You just lost respect for a guy based on how he looks in a photograph? That's cool.

He's red-faced screaming at a 20 year-old kid on the opposing team after losing a game.

Defend it all you want. To me, it stinks.

[Grizlaw]

He's red-faced screaming at a 20 year-old kid on the opposing team after losing a game.

Don't forget the rest of the story: after losing a game, yes...and also after a fight had just broken out between some of his players and some opposing players -- a fight that, according to pretty much everyone who actually saw it, was caused by PSU players.

You're trying to make Krysko out like he's just a sore loser, but do you have any photos of him yelling at opposing players following games where a brawl didn't break out at the closing buzzer? Under the circumstances, I don't think it's all that shocking that Krysko would be in someone's face yelling; it sounds to me like the PSU players were the ones who got out of control.

--GL

[GrizinWashington]

Mcat, you dislike good, hard-nosed aggressive play? Because that's all you get out of MM. I think this board is pasted with posts that say that Cat fans would love to see more of that from their team.

I don't have any problems with people disliking the Griz. In fact, I can understand it. But I do have issues with people incorrectly blaming the Griz for crap that was none of their doing. This whole incident was unequevicably incited by the thugs at PSU. Again, not a popular idea on this board, I realize. But I can't help you with that. Perhaps I could suggest a counselor?

Perhaps you could notice that the person who posted the first pic was from ISU and also notice that most everyone on this thread have posted about toeing the line, wanting some fire like the Griz or have been Griz fans themselves. Before you start to chastize Cat fans for hating on the Griz, read the thread. I for one would love to see the Cats show a pulse, yet alone some fire like the Griz have been having lately. It was a tough loss for the Griz and a black eye in several different areas for PSU athletics. Just my .02.

I did read the thread, and I did notice that the photo was posted by a Bengal (and taken by a PSU fan, BTW: it's from their board). But I was responding directly to and disagreed with a quote from a cat fan, who called Matt Martin "a poster boy for Griz Punk play". The rest of your post, though, I agree with 100%.

[PapaG]

He's red-faced screaming at a 20 year-old kid on the opposing team after losing a game.

Don't forget the rest of the story: after losing a game, yes...and also after a fight had just broken out between some of his players and some opposing players -- a fight that, according to pretty much everyone who actually saw it, was caused by PSU players.

You're trying to make Krysko out like he's just a sore loser, but do you have any photos of him yelling at opposing players following games where a brawl didn't break out at the closing buzzer? Under the circumstances, I don't think it's all that shocking that Krysko would be in someone's face yelling; it sounds to me like the PSU players were the ones who got out of control.

--GL

Sweet. Griz fans will now condone their coach chasing down kids on other team and then, instead of calmly trying to resolve the situation, acts in a way that could escalate the tension.

Kudos to his own player for stepping in before Krysko went Woody Hayes on #10 for PSU.

[GrizinWashington]

He's red-faced screaming at a 20 year-old kid on the opposing team after losing a game.

Don't forget the rest of the story: after losing a game, yes...and also after a fight had just broken out between some of his players and some opposing players -- a fight that, according to pretty much everyone who actually saw it, was caused by PSU players.

You're trying to make Krysko out like he's just a sore loser, but do you have any photos of him yelling at opposing players following games where a brawl didn't break out at the closing buzzer? Under the circumstances, I don't think it's all that shocking that Krysko would be in someone's face yelling; it sounds to me like the PSU players were the ones who got out of control.

--GL

Sweet. Griz fans will now condone their coach chasing down kids on other team and then, instead of calmly trying to resolve the situation, acts in a way that could escalate the tension.

Kudos to his own player for stepping in before Krysko went Woody Hayes on #10 for PSU.

Look, it ain't a pretty picture, and I'm certain LK's not proud of it. But he did NOT "chase down" Neely. According to the radio desciption during the event, Neely charged after Krysko. You'll also note in the Oregonian story I posted that the two of them then chatted and shook hands. I think Neely misunderstood what LK was trying to do, which was seperate eveyone, and LK misunderstood why Neely was charging him and shoving his finger in LK's chest. Don't make sh-- up just because it sounds worse for the Griz. This incident was ALL about PSU. This is what I dislike about boards: people post 1/3 the information to color a situation anyway they want.

[PapaG]

This incident was ALL about PSU. This is what I dislike about boards: people post 1/3 the information to color a situation anyway they want.

So were the incidents at ISU all about ISU? Was Dlouhy forced to grab the back of the Bengal player's shirt?

Take off the blinders. You guys have a rugged team in Missoula. Some may even call them dirty. I don't have a problem with that style of play, but what I do have a problem with is the never-ending excuse making by Griz fans. Rough play and intensity are becoming trademarks for the Griz basketball team. Embrace this or decry it.

Just stop ignoring its existence.

[Grizlaw]

Sweet. Griz fans will now condone their coach chasing down kids on other team and then, instead of calmly trying to resolve the situation, acts in a way that could escalate the tension.

Kudos to his own player for stepping in before Krysko went Woody Hayes on #10 for PSU.

Now you're being irrational. This will be my last post on the subject (unless the thread somehow turns back into a worthwhile discussion, but that's not looking too promising).

The bottom line is that none of us really knows what happened on the court, and for you to actually base your opinion of our coach on a photo is utterly ridiculous.

Do I condone Krysko's behavior? I don't know; that depends on what was actually going on on the court at the time. If the PSU kid actually charged Krysko and got in his face, then frankly, I commend Krysko for only yelling at him instead of just decking the little b@stard. It's too bad the PSU player who apparently punched one of our players didn't have as much self control; maybe then the situation wouldn't have gotten so out of hand...

[GrizinWashington]

This incident was ALL about PSU. This is what I dislike about boards: people post 1/3 the information to color a situation anyway they want.

So were the incidents at ISU all about ISU? Was Dlouhy forced to grab the back of the Bengal player's shirt?

Take off the blinders. You guys have a rugged team in Missoula. Some may even call them dirty. I don't have a problem with that style of play, but what I do have a problem with is the never-ending excuse making by Griz fans. Rough play and intensity are becoming trademarks for the Griz basketball team. Embrace this or decry it.

Just stop ignoring its existence.

MD's foul was a hard one. Maybe too hard. But that has NOTHING to do with this incident. Did a Griz throw a ball in a player's face after the game was over? Did a Griz throw punches at an opposing player? I embrace this: The Griz get everyone's best shot every game, because everyone wants to beat the Griz. That's great. But it leads to physical play on both sides. Other than MD's foul (which was bad, but hardly the worst thing imaginable) give me one example of anything "dirty" the Griz have done this year. This post should be about how dirty PSU is. Embrace that, because those are the facts.

[lifeloyalsigmsu]

This incident was ALL about PSU. This is what I dislike about boards: people post 1/3 the information to color a situation anyway they want.

So were the incidents at ISU all about ISU? Was Dlouhy forced to grab the back of the Bengal player's shirt?

Take off the blinders. You guys have a rugged team in Missoula. Some may even call them dirty. I don't have a problem with that style of play, but what I do have a problem with is the never-ending excuse making by Griz fans. Rough play and intensity are becoming trademarks for the Griz basketball team. Embrace this or decry it.

Just stop ignoring its existence.

[lifeloyalsigmsu]

This incident was ALL about PSU. This is what I dislike about boards: people post 1/3 the information to color a situation anyway they want.

So were the incidents at ISU all about ISU? Was Dlouhy forced to grab the back of the Bengal player's shirt?

Take off the blinders. You guys have a rugged team in Missoula. Some may even call them dirty. I don't have a problem with that style of play, but what I do have a problem with is the never-ending excuse making by Griz fans. Rough play and intensity are becoming trademarks for the Griz basketball team. Embrace this or decry it.

Just stop ignoring its existence.

MD's foul was a hard one. Maybe too hard. But that has NOTHING to do with this incident. Did a Griz throw a ball in a player's face after the game was over? Did a Griz throw punches at an opposing player? I embrace this: The Griz get everyone's best shot every game, because everyone wants to beat the Griz. That's great. But it leads to physical play on both sides. Other than MD's foul (which was bad, but hardly the worst thing imaginable) give me one example of anything "dirty" the Griz have done this year. This post should be about how dirty PSU is. Embrace that, because those are the facts.

The facts? So we know a punch was thrown by a PSU player. Of course, since it's the Griz, they did absolutely nothing to instigate it. Nevermind that the griz just lost a game in OT. God forbid that any tempers or emotion might be flaring at the conclusion of the game, especially from the almight griz players.

I couldn't imagine a griz player EVER saying anything derogatory or in frustration when they lose. The PSU player just walked up to the griz player and clocked him right?

I get it, the griz did nothing wrong once again.

Did Matt Dlouhy give that ISU player a concussion because it's just part of the rugged game that the almighty griz play? Let me guess, it wasn't intentional, right?

Coach K was a hard-nosed, extremely competitive player who holds the same philosophy as a coach. I applaud him for that. What's sad is how some of you griz fans (I said "some") are trying to make a case where PSU's team were the only one's who were being dirty. Some of you can't possibly be that obtuse can you?

[SonomaCat]

Not to take sides or anything ... and I enjoy a Griz meltdown as much as the next person ... but what if the PSU players really were responsible for what happened? Has anyone seen a report of anyone suggesting anything different? I saw a link to a PSU message board, but I didn't notice any on-point posts that jumped out at me.

[PapaG]

Not to take sides or anything ... and I enjoy a Griz meltdown as much as the next person ... but what if the PSU players really were responsible for what happened? Has anyone seen a report of anyone suggesting anything different? I saw a link to a PSU message board, but I didn't notice any on-point posts that jumped out at me.

Regardless, the Krysko "Moment In Time" depicted in the photos after the game had been completed does tell a story. A story that lends credence to my take on the Griz team in general. And again, I have no problems with rugged or borderline dirty play. My problem is with the Griz fans who are ignoring their team's style of play and any effect it may have on their opponents' tempers.

I want to know why Krysko is screaming "**** You" to the ref late in the game and why he has the red-ass on old #10 after the game. I have a hard time believing that the Viking players' first thought after pulling out a big win is to throw unprovoked blows at innocent Grizzly players.

[catamaran]

All we ever hear from Griz fans is that "we take everybody's best shot". What we never see is why everyone gives it to them. Granted in football its because they have been good for a long time and it is warranted. Their success on the basketball court is fairly nill. Now why would teams bring it extra.....its because for at least a decade the Griz have been known as "dirty"...Just my 2c.

[Grizlaw]

My problem is with the Griz fans who are ignoring their team's style of play and any effect it may have on their opponents' tempers.

Ahh, so it's the fans you have a problem with. Thanks for clearing that up; I totally misunderstood you.

It's funny though, because your post that started this whole line of discussion made it sound like your problem was with Coach K:

Krysko looks out of control in those photos. What the heck is he trying to prove there?

I just lost A LOT of respect for him. He seems like the stereotypical poor loser.

As did this one:

He's red-faced screaming at a 20 year-old kid on the opposing team after losing a game.

Defend it all you want. To me, it stinks.

And this one:

Sweet. Griz fans will now condone their coach chasing down kids on other team and then, instead of calmly trying to resolve the situation, acts in a way that could escalate the tension.

Kudos to his own player for stepping in before Krysko went Woody Hayes on #10 for PSU.

I'm sorry that I misunderstood those three posts; if I had read them correctly and understood that it was only the fans that you had a problem with, I wouldn't have responded the way I did. Thanks for straightening me out.

--GL

[PapaG]

My problem is with the Griz fans who are ignoring their team's style of play and any effect it may have on their opponents' tempers.

Ahh, so it's the fans you have a problem with. Thanks for clearing that up; I totally misunderstood you.

It's funny though, because your post that started this whole line of discussion made it sound like your problem was with Coach K:

Krysko looks out of control in those photos. What the heck is he trying to prove there?

I just lost A LOT of respect for him. He seems like the stereotypical poor loser.

As did this one:

He's red-faced screaming at a 20 year-old kid on the opposing team after losing a game.

Defend it all you want. To me, it stinks.

And this one:

Sweet. Griz fans will now condone their coach chasing down kids on other team and then, instead of calmly trying to resolve the situation, acts in a way that could escalate the tension.

Kudos to his own player for stepping in before Krysko went Woody Hayes on #10 for PSU.

I'm sorry that I misunderstood those three posts; if I had read them correctly and understood that it was only the fans that you had a problem with, I wouldn't have responded the way I did. Thanks for straightening me out.

--GL

I think Krysko acted inappropriately in this one instance, but I don't have a problem with his team's style of play or him as a coach in general.

Way to parse my position, though. Frame your argument, gather some out of context quotes, and suddenly I'm convicted as a Krysko hater in the court of Grizlaw. I'm familiar with this.

In the meantime, you continue to ignore what is right in front of your face.

[GrizinWashington]

This incident was ALL about PSU. This is what I dislike about boards: people post 1/3 the information to color a situation anyway they want.

So were the incidents at ISU all about ISU? Was Dlouhy forced to grab the back of the Bengal player's shirt?

Take off the blinders. You guys have a rugged team in Missoula. Some may even call them dirty. I don't have a problem with that style of play, but what I do have a problem with is the never-ending excuse making by Griz fans. Rough play and intensity are becoming trademarks for the Griz basketball team. Embrace this or decry it.

Just stop ignoring its existence.

MD's foul was a hard one. Maybe too hard. But that has NOTHING to do with this incident. Did a Griz throw a ball in a player's face after the game was over? Did a Griz throw punches at an opposing player? I embrace this: The Griz get everyone's best shot every game, because everyone wants to beat the Griz. That's great. But it leads to physical play on both sides. Other than MD's foul (which was bad, but hardly the worst thing imaginable) give me one example of anything "dirty" the Griz have done this year. This post should be about how dirty PSU is. Embrace that, because those are the facts.

The facts? So we know a punch was thrown by a PSU player. Of course, since it's the Griz, they did absolutely nothing to instigate it. Nevermind that the griz just lost a game in OT. God forbid that any tempers or emotion might be flaring at the conclusion of the game, especially from the almight griz players.

I couldn't imagine a griz player EVER saying anything derogatory or in frustration when they lose. The PSU player just walked up to the griz player and clocked him right?

I get it, the griz did nothing wrong once again.

Did Matt Dlouhy give that ISU player a concussion because it's just part of the rugged game that the almighty griz play? Let me guess, it wasn't intentional, right?

Coach K was a hard-nosed, extremely competitive player who holds the same philosophy as a coach. I applaud him for that. What's sad is how some of you griz fans (I said "some") are trying to make a case where PSU's team were the only one's who were being dirty. Some of you can't possibly be that obtuse can you?

Have you even READ the article in the Oregonian? The incident started when Neely threw the BB into Criswell's face after the game was over and while Criswell was lying on the ground after diving for a loose ball. Yes, KC reacted by getting into Neely's face, which I think while perhaps not the best move was understandable. Morrison than came over and threw punches at Criswell. LK went to break up the incident and Neely then charged him, which is when the infamous photo was taken. Both Neely and Morrison were ejected (which is somewhat of a joke because the game was over). So, based on the only evidence available, the only action the Griz too to "incite" the incident was KC getting into someone's face after he'd been pelted in the face. Tell me, please. How is this a Griz issue?

[grizbeer]

All we ever hear from Griz fans is that "we take everybody's best shot". What we never see is why everyone gives it to them. Granted in football its because they have been good for a long time and it is warranted. Their success on the basketball court is fairly nill. Now why would teams bring it extra.....its because for at least a decade the Griz have been known as "dirty"...Just my 2c.

Griz BSC record against:
Team Griz Wins Griz Losses
EWU 26 14
ISU 61 32
MSU 52 46
NAU 49 25
PSU 13 7
Sac 17 4
WSU 43 54

Overall record against BSC teams: 347-261 - 2nd among current BSC teams (WSU 1st)
Overall Record against all teams: 686-509 - 2nd among BSC teams (WSU 1st)
Championship Game record: 22-21 - 2nd in BSC (WSU 1st)
Over the last 15 years (since 1991) The Griz have played in the NCAA tournament 5 times (most in the BSC), and have finished 1st in the regular season 3 times.

Granted that is not as dominating as the football team has been, but still the most NCAA tournament appearances over the last 15 years, and 2nd highest winning percentage in the BSC, with a winning BSC record against every team in the conference except WSU can hardly be considered nil.

[Grizlaw]

I think Krysko acted inappropriately in this one instance, but I don't have a problem with his team's style of play or him as a coach in general.

Way to parse my position, though. Frame your argument, gather some out of context quotes, and suddenly I'm convicted as a Krysko hater in the court of Grizlaw. I'm familiar with this.

Out of context quotes? The three posts I quoted were quoted in their entirety; how the hell could the quotes be out of context?

--GL

[lifeloyalsigmsu]

This incident was ALL about PSU. This is what I dislike about boards: people post 1/3 the information to color a situation anyway they want.

So were the incidents at ISU all about ISU? Was Dlouhy forced to grab the back of the Bengal player's shirt?

Take off the blinders. You guys have a rugged team in Missoula. Some may even call them dirty. I don't have a problem with that style of play, but what I do have a problem with is the never-ending excuse making by Griz fans. Rough play and intensity are becoming trademarks for the Griz basketball team. Embrace this or decry it.

Just stop ignoring its existence.

MD's foul was a hard one. Maybe too hard. But that has NOTHING to do with this incident. Did a Griz throw a ball in a player's face after the game was over? Did a Griz throw punches at an opposing player? I embrace this: The Griz get everyone's best shot every game, because everyone wants to beat the Griz. That's great. But it leads to physical play on both sides. Other than MD's foul (which was bad, but hardly the worst thing imaginable) give me one example of anything "dirty" the Griz have done this year. This post should be about how dirty PSU is. Embrace that, because those are the facts.

The facts? So we know a punch was thrown by a PSU player. Of course, since it's the Griz, they did absolutely nothing to instigate it. Nevermind that the griz just lost a game in OT. God forbid that any tempers or emotion might be flaring at the conclusion of the game, especially from the almight griz players.

I couldn't imagine a griz player EVER saying anything derogatory or in frustration when they lose. The PSU player just walked up to the griz player and clocked him right?

I get it, the griz did nothing wrong once again.

Did Matt Dlouhy give that ISU player a concussion because it's just part of the rugged game that the almighty griz play? Let me guess, it wasn't intentional, right?

Coach K was a hard-nosed, extremely competitive player who holds the same philosophy as a coach. I applaud him for that. What's sad is how some of you griz fans (I said "some") are trying to make a case where PSU's team were the only one's who were being dirty. Some of you can't possibly be that obtuse can you?

Have you even READ the article in the Oregonian?

Why, yes, I have.

I'm just curious so I'll ask this question for you to contemplate.

Why would you want to throw punches at the opposing players after you won the game? Would you do it for no reason or would you do it if you felt provoked?

Now before you answer, please remove those "glasses" for a second before you answer and then use common sense. Remember, most of this stuff goes beyond what a newspaper reports.

This isn't me trying to start crap either. All I know is that in competition, whenever a team has won that I have played on, I've never felt the urge to punch an opposing team's player afterwards, no matter how heated things were during the competition.

Think about it......