Griz new running back from Iowa State

[HelenaCat95]

fans with chubbies

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[CelticCat]

Does anyone else find it ironic that not too long ago, many of the Griz posters on BN and on egriz were criticizing us for our JC transfers and dropdowns. And now, they are pinning all their hopes on:

1 Dropdown QB (Swogger)
2 Dropdown WR's (Chambers and Allen)
1 Dropdown RB (Bradshaw - yes I know Hilliard will get most of the playing time)
1 Dropdown RB/DB/LB/DE (the new guy from Iowa State)
1 Dropdown QB/WR/slash (Washington)
1 Dropdown DT (the kid from Boise State)
1 Dropdown OL? (Rossum? from Arizona?)
Am I forgetting anyone?

Go figure

You forgot their dropdown CB that couldn't hack it at UM.

[Billings_Griz]

Does anyone else find it ironic that not too long ago, many of the Griz posters on BN and on egriz were criticizing us for our JC transfers and dropdowns. And now, they are pinning all their hopes on:

1 Dropdown QB (Swogger)
2 Dropdown WR's (Chambers and Allen)
1 Dropdown RB (Bradshaw - yes I know Hilliard will get most of the playing time)
1 Dropdown RB/DB/LB/DE (the new guy from Iowa State)
1 Dropdown QB/WR/slash (Washington)
1 Dropdown DT (the kid from Boise State)
1 Dropdown OL? (Rossum? from Arizona?)
Am I forgetting anyone?

Go figure

You forgot their dropdown CB that couldn't hack it at UM.

Couldn't handle it, facilities like D-1 schools.

[spider]

Does anyone else find it ironic that not too long ago, many of the Griz posters on BN and on egriz were criticizing us for our JC transfers and dropdowns. And now, they are pinning all their hopes on:

1 Dropdown QB (Swogger)
2 Dropdown WR's (Chambers and Allen)
1 Dropdown RB (Bradshaw - yes I know Hilliard will get most of the playing time)
1 Dropdown RB/DB/LB/DE (the new guy from Iowa State)
1 Dropdown QB/WR/slash (Washington)
1 Dropdown DT (the kid from Boise State)
1 Dropdown OL? (Rossum? from Arizona?)
Am I forgetting anyone?

Go figure

You forgot their dropdown CB that couldn't hack it at UM.

Couldn't handle it, facilities like D-1 schools.

I would hope UM has facilities like D-I schools, seeing as how they are a D-I school. Or did you mean D-IA schools? Even then, you are overstating it a bit.

[SonomaCat]

Does anyone else find it ironic that not too long ago, many of the Griz posters on BN and on egriz were criticizing us for our JC transfers and dropdowns. And now, they are pinning all their hopes on:

1 Dropdown QB (Swogger)
2 Dropdown WR's (Chambers and Allen)
1 Dropdown RB (Bradshaw - yes I know Hilliard will get most of the playing time)
1 Dropdown RB/DB/LB/DE (the new guy from Iowa State)
1 Dropdown QB/WR/slash (Washington)
1 Dropdown DT (the kid from Boise State)
1 Dropdown OL? (Rossum? from Arizona?)
Am I forgetting anyone?

Go figure

You forgot their dropdown CB that couldn't hack it at UM.

Couldn't handle it, facilities like D-1 schools.

Ouch ... you just committed the one true mortal sin for fans of I-AA football. To save yourself from eternal damnation (which I believe is just a euphemism for "Arena League"), you are going to be required to submit a 20,000 word essay on "Why the I-AA playoffs are better than stupid bowl games" that brings at least half of us to tears of pride (the other half are just soulless ghouls).

[LTown Cat]

Couldn't handle it, facilities like D-1 schools.

Maybe a really, really small D-1A school. Have you ever been to, say for instance, a Pac-10 facility? No comparison to Missoula.

Not saying Mizzou's facilities aren't top-notch for D-1AA, but c'mon.

[GrizinWashington]

Couldn't handle it, facilities like D-1 schools.

Maybe a really, really small D-1A school. Have you ever been to, say for instance, a Pac-10 facility? No comparison to Missoula.

Not saying Mizzou's facilities aren't top-notch for D-1AA, but c'mon.

I've been to all of the Pac 10 stadiums. And I'd rather watch a game at WaGriz than many of them. Washington is in a beautiful location and has great fan tradition, but many of the seats are so far away it really detracts. Stanford? Horrible, although the rennovation will help. Reser is nice after there upgrade, but couldn't compare to WaGriz before it. WSU's stadium is nice, but certainly on the same par as WaGriz. Autzen is fantastic, of course, as is the Rose Bowl.

[grizzh8r]

Couldn't handle it, facilities like D-1 schools.

Maybe a really, really small D-1A school. Have you ever been to, say for instance, a Pac-10 facility? No comparison to Missoula.

Not saying Mizzou's facilities aren't top-notch for D-1AA, but c'mon.

I've been to all of the Pac 10 stadiums. And I'd rather watch a game at WaGriz than many of them. Washington is in a beautiful location and has great fan tradition, but many of the seats are so far away it really detracts. Stanford? Horrible, although the rennovation will help. Reser is nice after there upgrade, but couldn't compare to WaGriz before it. WaGriz was copied from WSU's stadium, on a smaller scale.. Autzen is fantastic, of course, as is the Rose Bowl.

Fixed for ya

[crazycat]

I remember the outrage when Western Illinois beat them soundly in the playoffs due to all of the dropdowns that the Leathernecks had. Although I think the "If you can't beat'em, join'em," pragmatism is the right answer. The problem is that it has turned all of 1-AA into a "dropdown division" in the eyes of the national media and sports fans. You couldn't watch a playoff game this year without the announcers developing all of the back stories about which 1-A school that so many of these guys used to attend.

Changes need to be made to the Division as a whole. Getting rid of the one year transfers is a good start, but more needs to be done. I would be in favor of requiring all dropdowns to sit out a year, just as though they were transferring to another 1-A. I think the current system allows kids out of high school to roll the dice on a major school, but bail out at the slightest impression that they won't be the star and go 1-AA (where they probably should have gone in the first place). It makes 1-AA a fallback league whose success if based on dropdowns as opposed to kids developed in the program.

And yes, dropdowns have been good for MSU ... but I would be much happier if all of 1-AA stepped away from the dropdown mentality and became a legitimate division of high school recruits and JC transfers ... not a fallback position for guys who couldn't cut it at a higher level. At least then the subordinate status of 1-AA wouldn't be so obvious every time an ESPN announcer makes a reference to "Texas A&M transfer X carries the ball to the 15, tackled by Baylor transfer Y."

It also frustrates the hell out of me every time a malcontent from a 1-A school announces that he's not happy, and immediately every 1-AA board in the country lights up with fans with chubbies over the idea of landing a new savior for their program. We are virtually begging for scraps from the 1-A ranks, and it just looks bad.

But for now, it is what it is, so I will hope that MSU gets the best of the 1-A transfers, and that they allow us to be successful. In a perfect world, though, I would like for the entire process to be different for everybody.

Excellent post. Yes, that would be nice.

I'm not so sure that Hauck isn't breaking away from the UM tradition of not taking dropdowns for his own personal gain. It looks like the build up to war. He's taking everything he can get his hands on regardless of character (Chambers and ISU guy)/injury (Swogger) issues for one more big run in the playoffs and possible bigger paycheck in I-A ball. When you add in that he has been complaining about pay and contracts (Yes, Kramer is, too) it just adds to this theory. One thing is for sure, this isn't the norm at UM, because they rarely taken drop downs and their fans have always bragged about that. It's an interesting development to say the least.

[JahGriz]

Kramer would cry like a baby if they took away the option of dropdowns. He's lived off of them. Now, Bobby is seeing that it isn't a bad way to go too, which I have no problem with. I've always liked the way Kramer recruits, but have also always thought he goes a bit overboard on transfers (type doesn't matter to me). I like the new rule that sr dropdowns will be a thing of the past. That is a good rule, and I think sufficient. I-A guys who want to a better chance of playing should be able to drop down, I think.
Also, where do you people get that Chamber doesn't have good character. He and the coach didn't see eye to eye. He worked hard, but not as hard as was expected. And that isn't something new to all levels and many kids. Chambers got the job done on the field, and had no off the field problems. The only problem was that Willingham didn't think he worked hard enough and dropped too many balls..supposedly. I see no character problems there. The ISU kid is the only one in that dept, so don't group other in that category that don't deserve to be there. It those are the standards for poor character I can name a bunch of MSU players that would fit. Take Joey Thomas for instance, look at some of the stupid isht he did on the field, stuff that hurt his own team because he was a hot head. Does that mean Joey didn't have good character? Does it mean Kramer shouldn't have taken him, NO.
No other team, except possibly EWU, can talk about UM taking dropdowns, because every other team consistently takes as many or more than UM, and have for years.

[lifeloyalsigmsu]

Kramer would cry like a baby if they took away the option of dropdowns. He's lived off of them. Now, Bobby is seeing that it isn't a bad way to go too, which I have no problem with. I've always liked the way Kramer recruits, but have also always thought he goes a bit overboard on transfers (type doesn't matter to me). I like the new rule that sr dropdowns will be a thing of the past. That is a good rule, and I think sufficient. I-A guys who want to a better chance of playing should be able to drop down, I think.
Also, where do you people get that Chamber doesn't have good character. He and the coach didn't see eye to eye. He worked hard, but not as hard as was expected. And that isn't something new to all levels and many kids. Chambers got the job done on the field, and had no off the field problems. The only problem was that Willingham didn't think he worked hard enough and dropped too many balls..supposedly. I see no character problems there. The ISU kid is the only one in that dept, so don't group other in that category that don't deserve to be there. It those are the standards for poor character I can name a bunch of MSU players that would fit. Take Joey Thomas for instance, look at some of the stupid isht he did on the field, stuff that hurt his own team because he was a hot head. Does that mean Joey didn't have good character? Does it mean Kramer shouldn't have taken him, NO.
No other team, except possibly EWU, can talk about UM taking dropdowns, because every other team consistently takes as many or more than UM, and have for years.

Willingham, Eric Yarber, Keith Gilbertson, and a few other Washington coaches felt the same way about Chambers.

Note: These were both different coaching regimes.

Chambers has loads of talent but he hasn't bothered to "harness" it at this point.

Jah, before you start calling out character issues for the Cats (yes, there have been some), maybe you should see to it that the griz clean up on their own doorstep.

[info197176]

..and visa versa...

[JahGriz]

Did you read my post, or skim it life? I never mentioned having a problem with MSU's recruits character, I know there have been some with questionable character though, just as nearly every other team has. Calling out Chambers character what what I had a problem with, simply because some didn't think he worked hard enough. He got the job done, and didn't get into trouble with the law. So he MIGHT have been a little lazy in the weight room, that isn't a character problem, that is a work ethic problem. Read the part about Joey Thomas again as well, I said, in other words, that Kramer should have recruited and kept him, regardless of his hot headedness in games that cost the cats in some cases.
I also said that you can't really critisize the Griz for taking transfers, when Kramer is the king of transfers, as are coaches around the sky, except possibly EWU.

[lifeloyalsigmsu]

..and visa versa...

Idiot. Where have we not acknowledged that there have been problems in the past?

It's just funny when any griz fans are so adamant to bring them up.

Pay attention for once.

[lifeloyalsigmsu]

Did you read my post, or skim it life? I never mentioned having a problem with MSU's recruits character, I know there have been some with questionable character though, just as nearly every other team has. Calling out Chambers character what what I had a problem with, simply because some didn't think he worked hard enough. He got the job done, and didn't get into trouble with the law. So he MIGHT have been a little lazy in the weight room, that isn't a character problem, that is a work ethic problem. Read the part about Joey Thomas again as well, I said, in other words, that Kramer should have recruited and kept him, regardless of his hot headedness in games that cost the cats in some cases.
I also said that you can't really critisize the Griz for taking transfers, when Kramer is the king of transfers, as are coaches around the sky, except possibly EWU.

I read your post so chill out. Chambers' character was never an issue so whoever said that is wrong. Maybe they're right about the ISU guy, though.

I was simply saying that Chambers work ethic was questioned by two different coaching staffs at the UW though there was never anyone that I know of who questioned his character or talent.

I just hope you felt better after you had to make a post about Joey Thomas and his hotheadedness. God forbid that a player is sometimes too competitive

[info197176]

...name-calling, how typical. At least you didn't use your usual F...ing as an adjective this time.... never have I mentioned anything about your transfers, I was just asking for similar treatment from you for ours, but obviously that concept escaped you...again...

[JahGriz]

Joey Thomas was the best example of a great athlete who didn't have problems with the law, but wasn't ideal in all respects. I don't think I came down on Joey to hard, he was hot headed, and did get some costly penalties that could easily have been avoided.
That is an honest and accurate assesment, I would do the same for a Griz player and have.
In addition, I am chilled out, and my post doesn't suggest otherwise from my vantage point.

[lifeloyalsigmsu]

...name-calling, how typical. At least you didn't use your usual F...ing as an adjective this time.... never have I mentioned anything about your transfers, I was just asking for similar treatment from you for ours, but obviously that concept escaped you...again...

Does it hurt your feelers when I add the occasional expletive? I've said it before, I've never chosen to be the poster with the most class and sometimes I choose to get the point across to certain posters in a manner that some or many might not agree with. With your great input, I'll still have to go out on a limb and say that I really don't care.

Feel free to tell me what escaped me, ok, oh wise one?

You asked about similar treatment? Why don't you provide an explanation about how much crap griz fans have given to the Cats over transfers over the years. Selective memory now certainly comes to mind. Now the irony in it all is that many of you griz fans are hinging your team's success this season on......***gasp***, transfers!!!!

[Go Scats Go]

I remember the outrage when Western Illinois beat them soundly in the playoffs due to all of the dropdowns that the Leathernecks had. Although I think the "If you can't beat'em, join'em," pragmatism is the right answer. The problem is that it has turned all of 1-AA into a "dropdown division" in the eyes of the national media and sports fans. You couldn't watch a playoff game this year without the announcers developing all of the back stories about which 1-A school that so many of these guys used to attend.

Changes need to be made to the Division as a whole. Getting rid of the one year transfers is a good start, but more needs to be done. I would be in favor of requiring all dropdowns to sit out a year, just as though they were transferring to another 1-A. I think the current system allows kids out of high school to roll the dice on a major school, but bail out at the slightest impression that they won't be the star and go 1-AA (where they probably should have gone in the first place). It makes 1-AA a fallback league whose success if based on dropdowns as opposed to kids developed in the program.

And yes, dropdowns have been good for MSU ... but I would be much happier if all of 1-AA stepped away from the dropdown mentality and became a legitimate division of high school recruits and JC transfers ... not a fallback position for guys who couldn't cut it at a higher level. At least then the subordinate status of 1-AA wouldn't be so obvious every time an ESPN announcer makes a reference to "Texas A&M transfer X carries the ball to the 15, tackled by Baylor transfer Y."

It also frustrates the hell out of me every time a malcontent from a 1-A school announces that he's not happy, and immediately every 1-AA board in the country lights up with fans with chubbies over the idea of landing a new savior for their program. We are virtually begging for scraps from the 1-A ranks, and it just looks bad.

But for now, it is what it is, so I will hope that MSU gets the best of the 1-A transfers, and that they allow us to be successful. In a perfect world, though, I would like for the entire process to be different for everybody.

Excellent post. Yes, that would be nice.

I'm not so sure that Hauck isn't breaking away from the UM tradition of not taking dropdowns for his own personal gain. It looks like the build up to war. He's taking everything he can get his hands on regardless of character (Chambers and ISU guy)/injury (Swogger) issues for one more big run in the playoffs and possible bigger paycheck in I-A ball. When you add in that he has been complaining about pay and contracts (Yes, Kramer is, too) it just adds to this theory. One thing is for sure, this isn't the norm at UM, because they rarely taken drop downs and their fans have always bragged about that. It's an interesting development to say the least.

BAC-

If they had to sit out a year- THERE WOULD NEVER be any dropdown players.

[SonomaCat]

GSG: At the expense of following suit by stating the obvious ... that was precisely my point.