Split - 9/11 alternative theories thread

Bleedinbluengold · Post by **Bleedinbluengold** » Thu May 04, 2006 6:50 pm

I don't think there was anything on explosions in that show subsequent to the plane impact. Like BAC said, explosions could be accounted for by any number of things in WTC 1 or 2. The place had its own zip code and it seems reasonable to assume that some things were stored there that could explode such as compressed gas cylinders, pales of chemicals, paints, and other such materials.

I've always found the damage to the Pentagon very interesting, though. Of the four hijacked planes, that is the one that just seems we never get any info about. Even on the day of the impact, it seemed like the Pentagon was just a footnote.

GOKATS · Post by **GOKATS** » Thu May 04, 2006 7:09 pm

Bleedinbluengold wrote:I don't think there was anything on explosions in that show subsequent to the plane impact. Like BAC said, explosions could be accounted for by any number of things in WTC 1 or 2. The place had its own zip code and it seems reasonable to assume that some things were stored there that could explode such as compressed gas cylinders, pales of chemicals, paints, and other such materials.

I've always found the damage to the Pentagon very interesting, though. Of the four hijacked planes, that is the one that just seems we never get any info about. Even on the day of the impact, it seemed like the Pentagon was just a footnote.

I don't recall any downplaying of the initial footage of the Pentagon incident. Due to the internal workings regarding military security, etc., I could understand not wanting to overexpose any vulnerabilities that may have existed at that time.

iaafan · Post by **iaafan** » Thu May 04, 2006 8:56 pm

The big thing on the Pentagon is the unreleased video footage. Maybe there's something to explain that, too. The odd thing about the WTC is the tufts of smoke shooting out of the building as it was coming down. When compared to building demolition explosions they looked very similar. Again, I'm not saying this IS what happened, but just pointing out the oddities. The show starts out with the Pentagon, probably because that's the most vague area. The WTC was covered from a lot of angles, so maybe the producers didn't have as much to go on there. A clear explanation of the explosions and so-called secondary explosions is merited.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Thu May 04, 2006 9:09 pm

I will say that I was amazed at how seemingly precise the WTC destruction was. From watching the History Channel and other quality TV channels that have shows about building demolition, it seems like it is very difficult to destroy a building in such a way that it comes straight down and doesn't wipe out an entire neighborhood. Both WTC buildings seemed to come straight down. That could be sheer luck, or simply the physics of how a building implodes when melted from the inside from jet fuel, but it is still amazing.

And now that is has been mentioned, it was kind of weird how the Pentagon seemed like such an afterthought. Although I always attributed it to the fact that few people were killed there ... at least as compared to the terrifying loss of life that NYC saw. I wasn't aware that there was any actual footage of the plane going into the Pentagon. If it does exist, it is somewhat strange that it has been released.

I'm with whoever it was who said that they don't want to see it over and over again. I totally agree. I get physically ill every time I see the WTC footage. But for the sake of full disclosure, if footage does exist of the Pentagon crash, I'm not sure why it would not be released.

iaafan · Post by **iaafan** » Thu May 04, 2006 10:35 pm

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/pentagon/spencer05.htm

This will take a while to read through. I haven't gone all the way through it, but thought it'd be worth linking.

HelenaCat95 · Post by **HelenaCat95** » Tue May 16, 2006 12:24 pm

Looks like the Pentagon crash video will be released.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/05/1 ... vy62c.html

Maybe someone at the Pentagon reads this board.

iaafan · Post by **iaafan** » Tue May 16, 2006 1:32 pm

Haha. Good one HC95!

Here's another link.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12818225/

This ought to put all these wacky conspiracy theorists in their place.

Bleedinbluengold · Post by **Bleedinbluengold** » Tue May 16, 2006 2:03 pm

I've never thought it about until now, but the 59 passengers and crew of Flight 77 certainly appear to not be alive at this time - which probably means that it was indeed Flight 77 that crashed into the Pentagon.

Just a thought.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Tue May 16, 2006 2:11 pm

Bleedinbluengold wrote:I've never thought it about until now, but the 59 passengers and crew of Flight 77 certainly appear to not be alive at this time - which probably means that it was indeed Flight 77 that crashed into the Pentagon.

Just a thought.

You're not working the conspiracy theory part of your brain hard enough.

- They could have been executed by the government to cover up the truth.

- They could be in an Eastern European secret CIA prison or, less dramatically, in Guantanamo.

- There's always "the aliens" (not including Mexicans)

I'm not taking shots at anyone on this board with these tongue in cheek comments -- I'm just speaking to some of the more wacky conspiracy theories I have heard, and I now realize that no troublesome assertion is completely impervious to some creative alternative theories.

ChiOCat · Post by **ChiOCat** » Tue May 16, 2006 3:39 pm

I just saw they released 2 Pentagon tapes of the crash. I'm sure that will stop all the conspiracy theories. Or not.

Post by **rtb** » Tue May 16, 2006 3:54 pm

Has anyone else watched the video yet? That video only leaves open more speculation in my mind. I am not buying into the conspiracy, but the video doesn't look like a jet.

Hopefully whoever at the Pentagon reads this board and pushed for the tapes release can do something about the grainy footage!

iaafan · Post by **iaafan** » Tue May 16, 2006 4:21 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:
Bleedinbluengold wrote:I've never thought it about until now, but the 59 passengers and crew of Flight 77 certainly appear to not be alive at this time - which probably means that it was indeed Flight 77 that crashed into the Pentagon.

Just a thought.
You're not working the conspiracy theory part of your brain hard enough.

- They could have been executed by the government to cover up the truth.

- They could be in an Eastern European secret CIA prison or, less dramatically, in Guantanamo.

- There's always "the aliens" (not including Mexicans)

I'm not taking shots at anyone on this board with these tongue in cheek comments -- I'm just speaking to some of the more wacky conspiracy theories I have heard, and I now realize that no troublesome assertion is completely impervious to some creative alternative theories.

Yes, I've seen the footage. It isn't much more than was already released. A lot of what is contained in conspiracy theories comes from the unwillingness of the gov't to disclose information. Conspiracy theorists had their hayday when the gov't finally released the Zapruder film after over a decade. Sure the conspiracies may be unfounded, but the gov't doesn't do much to make people not suspicious. This footage will do little to disuade the CTs and probably will only give them more material. Maybe add'l footage from other locations will be released now that the Mossaqui case is over?

HelenaCat95 · Post by **HelenaCat95** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:10 pm

I found this link, and thought it was funny in relation to this old thread.
It is very raw (adult humor - don't click if you are offended by bad language), so please take it all in the spirit it was posted....just fun.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net ... 911_morons

longhorn_22 · Post by **longhorn_22** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 2:21 am

HelenaCat95 wrote:I found this link, and thought it was funny in relation to this old thread.
It is very raw (adult humor - don't click if you are offended by bad language), so please take it all in the spirit it was posted....just fun.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net ... 911_morons

I read that earlier. God is he right. He is right on the money. (no pun intended after you read it)

Ponycat · Post by **Ponycat** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:40 am

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,207406,00.html

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science ... 27842.html

iaafan · Post by **iaafan** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:04 pm

Yes, they answer some of the questions. But they don't go into why all the firefighters and many eyewitnesses heard numerous secondary blasts just before the buildings came down (were they just hearing things?). And why there were puffs of smoke shooting out of the towers to coincide with what they were saying. And why won’t the government release the videos it has from the plane that crashes into the Pentagon (we all saw the planes crash into the WTC, so why not show us the Pentagon crash). Why did several of the alledged hijackers turned out to be alive and well in other parts of the world?

Sure, it's highly unlikely that a conspiracy exists here, but these so-called experts don't have ALL the answers. I just love how O'Reilly gets involved and now we can go on with our lives. He's such a deal closer!

Post by **SonomaCat** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:16 pm

I really like it when people/magazines do analyses like this that cut through so much speculation and try to find actual truth through the haze.

It was funny that O'Reilly invoked the name of Michael Moore ... and then caught himself and admitted that Michael Moore had nothing to do with this issue. Do you suppose he is hung up on Michael Moore? Almost as much as I am with Bill O'Reilly?

iaafan · Post by **iaafan** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:44 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:I really like it when people/magazines do analyses like this that cut through so much speculation and try to find actual truth through the haze.

It's nice, but they should go through it blow-by-blow. Seems like they went through and refuted the easy stuff (stuff in their area of expertise) in hopes that would be enough make people feel foolish and not ask again. Thanks Bill O'Reilly. He doesn't question anything the person he was interviewing was saying, he just took it as gospel.

Again, I'm not saying that 'for sure the gov't blew up the WTC.' I just saying that it was odd that these events (firefighters hearing secondary blasts, puffs of smoke to coincide, terrorists that were said to be on flights that turned up somewhere else). It's odd and there should be a logical answer by now.