North Dakota will sue the NCAA over nickname.

Cat Grad · Post by **Cat Grad** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 5:22 pm

http://www.sportsline.com/general/story/9508688

longhorn_22 · Post by **longhorn_22** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:07 pm

Good for UND.

BisonBacker · Post by **BisonBacker** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 3:09 pm

Why? Its just a waste of taxpayer dollars. I'm not talking about whether you agree or not on the name. If the NCAA as a privately run orginization wants to dictate what is acceptable then they have the right to. If und doesn't like it they can pull there membership from the NCAA. Its pretty cut and dried and for kup o jello the president to whine to the NCAA about it is ridiculous. Get over it, quit wasting time and money and move on.

GOKATS · Post by **GOKATS** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 5:30 pm

BisonBacker wrote:Why? Its just a waste of taxpayer dollars. I'm not talking about whether you agree or not on the name. If the NCAA as a privately run orginization wants to dictate what is acceptable then they have the right to. If und doesn't like it they can pull there membership from the NCAA. Its pretty cut and dried and for kup o jello the president to whine to the NCAA about it is ridiculous. Get over it, quit wasting time and money and move on.

Sorry, bud, but I have to disagree with ya on this one. I personally have little regard for the NCAA, but that aside someone has to stand up when the PC crap goes beyond reason and the NCAA has shown no consistency in how they interpret their rule.

In no way is the team name derogatory. I see it as a tribute to an Indian nation, in this case the Sioux.

JMHO

Post by **SonomaCat** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 6:09 pm

GOKATS wrote:
BisonBacker wrote:Why? Its just a waste of taxpayer dollars. I'm not talking about whether you agree or not on the name. If the NCAA as a privately run orginization wants to dictate what is acceptable then they have the right to. If und doesn't like it they can pull there membership from the NCAA. Its pretty cut and dried and for kup o jello the president to whine to the NCAA about it is ridiculous. Get over it, quit wasting time and money and move on.
Sorry, bud, but I have to disagree with ya on this one. I personally have little regard for the NCAA, but that aside someone has to stand up when the PC crap goes beyond reason and the NCAA has shown no consistency in how they interpret their rule.

In no way is the team name derogatory. I see it as a tribute to an Indian nation, in this case the Sioux.

JMHO

Haven't the Sioux people been the ones declaring that using their tribe name as a mascot WAS derogatory to them? And shouldn't they probably be the final arbiters of that sort of declaration?

This article reinforces what I thought I had remembered reading on the topic:

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2005/09/29/mascot

GOKATS · Post by **GOKATS** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 6:57 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:
GOKATS wrote:
BisonBacker wrote:Why? Its just a waste of taxpayer dollars. I'm not talking about whether you agree or not on the name. If the NCAA as a privately run orginization wants to dictate what is acceptable then they have the right to. If und doesn't like it they can pull there membership from the NCAA. Its pretty cut and dried and for kup o jello the president to whine to the NCAA about it is ridiculous. Get over it, quit wasting time and money and move on.
Sorry, bud, but I have to disagree with ya on this one. I personally have little regard for the NCAA, but that aside someone has to stand up when the PC crap goes beyond reason and the NCAA has shown no consistency in how they interpret their rule.

In no way is the team name derogatory. I see it as a tribute to an Indian nation, in this case the Sioux.

JMHO
Haven't the Sioux people been the ones declaring that using their tribe name as a mascot WAS derogatory to them? And shouldn't they probably be the final arbiters of that sort of declaration?

This article reinforces what I thought I had remembered reading on the topic:

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2005/09/29/mascot

I read that article previously, along with several others. As I recall this article referred to a of couple minority tribes ( not to say that they shouldn't be able to voice their opinion), but other articles demonstrated that the majority of the Sioux nation didn't have a problem with the issue.

I have been on BN long enough to realize that I have neither the time nor inclination to pursue my point any further.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:01 pm

From the article, just for clarification:

"But in a statement Wednesday, the NCAA’s senior vice president for governance and membership, Bernard Franklin, said “the university did not have the support of the three federally recognized Sioux tribes of North Dakota … Information the NCAA received from the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe and the Sisseton-Wahpeton Sioux Tribe clearly indicates both tribes oppose the university’s use of the ‘Fighting Sioux’ nickname and imagery. Several requests made by the NCAA to the Spirit Lake Tribe for clarification on its position went unanswered.” The NCAA also noted that the Board of Directors of the United Tribes of North Dakota, which represents the five federally recognized tribes in the state, including the three Sioux tribes, had “unanimously passed a resolution supporting the NCAA decision.”

GOKATS · Post by **GOKATS** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 8:31 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:From the article, just for clarification:

"But in a statement Wednesday, the NCAA’s senior vice president for governance and membership, Bernard Franklin, said “the university did not have the support of the three federally recognized Sioux tribes of North Dakota … Information the NCAA received from the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe and the Sisseton-Wahpeton Sioux Tribe clearly indicates both tribes oppose the university’s use of the ‘Fighting Sioux’ nickname and imagery. Several requests made by the NCAA to the Spirit Lake Tribe for clarification on its position went unanswered.” The NCAA also noted that the Board of Directors of the United Tribes of North Dakota, which represents the five federally recognized tribes in the state, including the three Sioux tribes, had “unanimously passed a resolution supporting the NCAA decision.”

I rest my case.......................again!

BBQ is going.